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Thank you for responding to my ask and being civil. I'll be honest, the majority of pro life people I've seen tend to get very defensive about their opinions and don't often respond well to critisism, but then again I haven't always been very civil myself. However, despite your kindness I still find myself unconvinced.

You and I seem to have very different priorities, that is in short our main difference. You prioritize the life of the unborn and I prioritize the personal choice to be able to decide what happens to your own body. I don't think there's a way to really bridge that gap.

Bodily autonomy is something I take incredibly seriously. It is a deeply held conviction that I will not budge on and cannot ever budge on, because if you do not own yourself you own nothing. You offered to send links about why you believe that preborns are people and I have to say that I find that unnecessary because it makes no difference to me. Saying this will make me seem incredibly unsympathetic, but to me it honestly wouldn't matter if the baby was screaming and begging for its life, it's still the pregnant persons choice.

I've looked into the violinist argument and I agree with the authors points completely. Most of the responses I've seen to the argument is that it is the "decent" and "human" thing to try and help the innocent violinist. That is an incredibly kind choice to make and I commend anyone who would make it, but in no world is that a choice anyone should be forced to make, especially at the hands of the government. Let's be real for a sec, the government controlling what you are allowed to do with your own body is a really bad idea. If they can force you to carry to term, they can forcibly sterilize you too, and at that point the government owns you. If you do not own yourself, you own nothing.

There really is no easy solution here. We could very easily talk in circles about this forever, but it would accomplish nothing. Bodily autonomy is to me nonnegotiable, to you it is not. You fundamentally believe that preborns are people deserving of rights, I believe that they're irrelevant to the conversation. I don't think we can ever agree on this given those facts. Despite this I do wish you well, and I hope the world can one day be a less divided place.

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I agree with you. There's not much productive conversation that can be had when we fundamentally disagree on what the root question of the issue is. I will say that I do find it scary that it makes no difference to you if the preborn are really persons or not. But your mind is not going to be changed no matter what. And neither will mine. I wish you all the best and, I know people tend to hate when Christians say this, but I will say it nevertheless, I will keep you in my prayers. I'm sorry we couldn't have a more productive discussion, but thank you again for staying civil.

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Hello, I know you dont know me and as a total stranger on Tumblr, I probably won't be the one to change your mind, but I just wanted to talk about your stance as pro life as I just saw your post about it.

In that post, you touch on the issue of eugenics and how so many people trying defend abortion do so from an ableist and classist point of view. I do not agree with those people! I am disabled myself and was not born into a loving family, and I don't believe anyone should be allowed to dictate whether I deserve to live based on that alone.

I am completely anti eugenics, and the people who claim to be pro choice while using talking points straight out of the 1930s do not speak for me. However, I am pro choice. You see, me being pro choice simply means that I believe in bodily autonomy. To carry a pregnancy to term is hard on the body and can be absolutely detrimental to someones heath, both mental and physical.

Your bio says that you are christian, and as I understand it many christian faiths believe that life begins at the moment of conception, meaning that an unborn fetus would have a soul. I'm not here to disagree on that, I'm not religious myself but I consider myself agnostic and am open to the possibility of God.I have full respect for your faith, and if you do not ever want an abortion that is your prerogative.

However, in the name of both religious freedom for others(like Jewish people who believe life begins at first breath) and bodily autonomy I cannot condone the use of laws banning the practice of abortion. Pregnancy is dangerous and even deadly and no one should ever be forced to go through it against their will. For the government to force people to go through 9-10 months of pregnancy is to take away people's and especially women's rights to their own bodies.

I will now share something personal. I am a victim of sexual assault. The idea of growing my abusers child inside of me is a thought that haunts me. Sexual abuse is the ultimate violation, it makes you feel helpless and like your body is not your own. To be hurt that way is to be stripped of bodily autonomy. To suffer that violation only to be met with another in the form of being forced to use your body as a vessel to grow a human being against your will is a fate I would not wish on my worst enemy. A forced pregnancy would to me feel like a second rape, my body being used against my will. Not everyone feels that way, and had I gotten pregnant from my sexual assault I can't say for sure I wouldn't keep it, but the thought of never even having a choice in the matter is just horrible. I can't describe the feeling as anything other than total helplessness and dread.

I want to clarify, I don't believe that children botn of rape do not deserve to live, I'm simply describing my own personal feelings around a hypothetical child. This is my experience with this fear, it will not reflect everyone's.

At the end of the day, the argument to me is never about whether a fetus counts as a life or not. To me, the question is always why should anyone have to be forced to sacrifice their own life to save anothers? Why do we consider it okay to force a woman through the physical and psychological suffering of an unwanted pregnancy and the pain or even potential death of childbirth to save a life? Why does their life matter more than hers? Why does the potential for life outweigh the life we already know is there?

If you choose to respond, I only ask you to be civil and I will keep an open mind. If you choose not to, I only wish you would try to empathize with those women who decide to abort and show them the same compassion you do their unborn children.

Good day.

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First off, thank you for the ask, and thank you for being so kind and civil! Even if we can’t change each other’s minds, it’s good to have these types of conversations. Secondly, I am glad to hear that you don’t agree with the eugenics and classist based arguments that are often thrown around these days. Thirdly, while my faith is a big part of the reason that I am pro-life, science also plays a big role in that and I would hope that even if I wasn’t a Christian that I would still be pro-life. Pro-life arguments can be made without bringing religion into it, so it’s not really an issue of religious freedom. 

Unfortunately, I am going to disagree with you about what the most important thing about this whole conversation is. You say that the question is about bodily autonomy, and not about the personhood of the preborn. I, and many others, disagree. The question of if the preborn are persons is detrimental to all arguments. Your argument of bodily autonomy above all else becomes more complicated if the preborn are persons with the same rights as anyone else. Now, I could recount all the reasons that a preborn baby is a life that deserves basic human rights, but you probably have heard them all before. I don’t want to just give up this conversation, but if we cannot agree on what the fundamental question of abortion is, our conversations are not going to align in any productive way. If you have not heard the reasons that a preborn baby is also a person who deserves human rights, please let me know and I can send you some links or outline those reasons myself. 

I do want to say that bodily autonomy is very important though. Any kind of sexual assault or rape should absolutely be condemned and punished and my heart goes out to you that you had to go through that yourself. That being said, the child should not be punished for the crimes of the father. The child is also an innocent victim in this circumstance. That being said, this again stems directly from the conclusion that preborn children are in fact living persons who deserve rights. The right to live trumps the right to bodily autonomy. While I agree with you that pregnancy is a physically and emotionally taxing process, that does not give the mother the right to murder her child. (Before I continue I do want to say that abortions due to rape are a very low percentage, but that doesn’t make this less important of a conversation). The mother has a basic duty of care for her child because of the parent-child relationship. We expect mothers to care for their children no matter what, and since I believe that the preborn are persons with rights, I would expect a mother to give basic care to her preborn baby by giving birth to it. If the mother then gives up that child for adoption, that is a fine option. I have no problem with that, but the child should at the very least be given the chance to live in the world. 

You also bring up a lot of other arguments in your last section such as what to do when the pregnancy is a risk to the woman, possibly even a fatal risk. In that case, I would say, try to save both the mother and child. It’s really all about the intent. When an abortion is performed, the intent is always for the child to die. If, for example, a surgery was performed due to an ectopic pregnancy, the goal is to try and save the mother, but also to save the child, whether it is successful or not. If a baby dies in a surgery that is attempting to save it, that is a tragedy, if a baby dies because of an abortion, that’s murder because the death of the baby was always the goal. 

You also bring up the psychological toll that pregnancy has on women. In this case, I would give this example. Let’s say you have an aging family member who is sick who you have to take care of. They likely take an emotional and psychological toll on you. That does not mean you get to murder your family member. Parenthood also takes an emotional toll, but we don’t let parents murder their children.

You ask near the end “Why does their life matter more than hers? Why does the potential for life outweigh the life we already know is there?” Again this comes down to the question of are the preborn persons who deserve rights. As I believe they are, I say that both lives matter. Most pregnancies are the result of consensual sex. People know going into sex that there is the possibility of a child. They should not take this lightly. Once a baby is conceived, that cannot be undone. A new person has been created who has the same right to life as you. I have already gone over life threatening situations and emotionally taxing pregnancies and murder is never the answer. There are so many resources for women out there and abortion is nothing but an act of violence on someone without a voice to defend themselves. 

The argument you have given me also reminds me of the popular “violinist argument” which focuses purely on bodily autonomy and not on personhood. I am going to link a few posts on that because others have already refuted that argument better than I can. I am also going to link a few other posts I came across that might be helpful to you.

I have a lot of empathy for women who choose to abort because so many of them are uninformed of what they're doing and think that the violent act of abortion will solve their problems. But to those who are informed and yet think that what they're doing is right, I can never agree with them. Abortion is murder, always, and is never justified.

Thank you again for your kindness and civility. I hope I could answer some of your questions even if you don’t agree with me. We do disagree on the fundamental question, so it was a bit hard to answer you, but let me know if you want to talk more.

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Unpopular opinion: people with anencephaly ought to be born & loved for as long as possible. They deserve palliative care, not murder in the womb. Abortion is not euthanasia.

This little girl is not in agony. She coos and smiles at her mother's touch. She is loved. She wouldn't have known any of that love had she been violently stabbed with a lethal injection and born dead. According to her mom on YouTube she lived for 3 weeks and her family cherished her.

When I say later abortion is not euthanasia, I mean: the children are killed without general anesthesia. We wouldn't even kill a horse or someone on death row this way. Later abortion, even for medical reasons, is horrific violence. The babies are stabbed with an overdose of digoxin or lidocaine. They may be exsanguinated or dismembered alive.

If you want your disabled child to live with dignity and die humanely, with the least suffering possible, then do not abort them. Love them. You will suffer less in the long run knowing you protected them, that you did not pay for their brutal murder.

And for the record, you still have to go through labor when you get a later abortion for fetal anomaly. Unless, of course, you get your child ripped out piece by piece in mangled shreds. The chances of uterine perforation and sepsis from this are extreme.

Disabled children are not "choices". Perinatal hospice is ethical. Murder is not.

For anyone feeling pressured to terminate for medical reasons, I highly recommend

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Imagine how much pro-lifers could accomplish if they actually supported pregnant women in crisis instead of getting on the internet and shaming women who’ve had abortions 🤡

Yes that’s why pregnancy centers exist to help provide items, sonograms, vitamins, financial resources and counseling. How they help women get medical care and work skills. How they teach parenting classes and provide child care.

If women feel shame for their abortion that’s good and morally correct. It means they have a conscience. People naturally feel shame for sin

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Imagine how much pro-lifers could accomplish if pro-choicers weren't burning down pregnancy centers

I almost spit out my tea

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In general, I really hate the pro-choice “Women are sad about miscarriages because they lost the idea of having a baby!” sentiment. It’s not caring, it’s not helping miscarriage moms heal, it’s just cruel and a complete denial of what we’ve actually gone through. I didn’t stay up all night in excruciating pain, bleed aggressively for several hours straight, waddle with my bed pad filled with sac and placenta between my legs to the bathroom, and poke around an egg sac to find my tiny baby with her head, arms, legs, and eyes intact floating peacefully inside just for some chucklefucks to tell me that baby was somehow imaginary or a “clump of cells.”

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You have probably met someone who was conceived in rape. You cannot look at someone and tell how good or bad their parents are. I wasn’t conceived in rape but I do have two abusive parents which makes me “worse” than those who were conceived in rape because they have just one. Most people consider me a good person. The vast majority of people who were conceived in rape or have an otherwise abusive parent are beautiful and amazing people. Stop dehumanizing them to further your pro-abortion agenda.

You have probably met someone with an “invisible” disability. I have Asperger’s and most people are not able to tell that I am disabled right away. No matter how high-functioning or low-functioning a disabled person is, disabled people are not burdens for existing as they are. Stop dehumanizing them to further your pro-abortion agenda.

You have probably met someone who grew up in poverty. You have probably met someone who was abused by their parents. You have probably met someone who was in foster care (though babies put up for adoption don’t end up in foster care). Plenty of these people are happy to be alive. Stop saying that they’re better off dead to further your pro-abortion agenda.

Stop dehumanizing people for things they can’t control to further your pro-abortion agenda.

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PRO-LIFE ANSWERS FOR PRO-CHOICE ARGUMENTS MASTERLIST

Due to the text limit, I have to reblog this to fit the rest of the points. It’s originally in a format that’s a little easier to read for quick reference, but this was the best way I could get it to fit within the text restrictions on tumbr. LINK TO THE REBLOGGED, FULL POST HERE: http://www.thescienceofapologetics.tumblr.com/tagged/prolife-masterlist

Part One: Arguments Concerning Life, Humanity, and Personhood

1. “It is uncertain when human life begins; that’s a religious question that cannot be answered by science.”

  • 1a.) If there is uncertainty about when human life begins, the benefit of the doubt should go to preserving life. 1b.) Medical textbooks and scientific reference works consistently agree that human life begins at conception. 1c.) Some of the world’s most prominent scientists and physicians testified to a U.S. Senate committee that human life begins at conception. 1d.) Many other prominent scientists and physicians have likewise affirmed with certainty that human life begins at conception. 1e.) The possibility of human cloning does nothing to discredit the fact that all humans conceived in the conventional manner began their lives at conception.

2. “The fetus is just a part of the pregnant woman’s body, like her tonsils or appendix. You can’t seriously believe a frozen embryo is an actual person.”

  • 2a.) A body part is defined by the common genetic code it shares with the rest of its body; the unborn’s genetic code differs from his mother’s. 2b.) The child may die and the mother live, or the mother may die and the child live, proving they are two separate individuals. 2c.) The unborn child takes an active role in his own development, controlling the course of the pregnancy and the time of birth. 2d.) Being inside something is not the same as being part of something. 2e.) Human beings should not be discriminated against because of their place of residence. 2f.) There is substantial scientific reason to believe that frozen embryos are persons and should be granted the same rights as older, larger, and less vulnerable persons.

3. “The unborn is an embryo or a fetus—just a simple blob of tissue, a product of conception—not a baby. Abortion is terminating a pregnancy, not killing a child.”

  • 3a.) Like toddler and adolescent, the terms embryo and fetus do not refer to nonhumans, but to humans at particular stages of development. 3b.) Semantics affect perceptions, but they do not change realities; a baby is a baby no matter what we call her. 3c.) From the moment of conception, the unborn is not simple, but very complex. 3d.) Prior to the earliest abortions, the unborn already has every body part she will ever have. 3e.) Every abortion stops a beating heart and terminates measurable brain waves. 3f.) Even in the earliest surgical abortions, the unborn child is clearly human in appearance. 3g.) Even before the unborn is obviously human in appearance, she is what she is—a human being. 3h.) No matter how much better it sounds, “terminating a pregnancy” is still terminating a life.

4. “The fetus may be alive, but so are eggs and sperm. The fetus is a potential human being, not an actual one; it’s like a blueprint, not a house; an acorn, not an oak tree.”

  • 4a.) The ovum and sperm are each a product of another’s body; unlike the conceptus, neither is an independent entity. 4b.) The physical remains after an abortion indicate the end not of a potential life, but of an actual life. 4c.) Something nonhuman does not become human by getting older and bigger; whatever is human must be human from the beginning. 4d.) Comparing preborns and adults to acorns and oaks is dehumanizing and misleading. 4e.) Even if the analogy were valid, scientifically speaking an acorn is simply a little oak tree, just as an embryo is a little person.

5. “The unborn isn’t a person, with meaningful life. It’s only inches in size and can’t even think; it’s less advanced than an animal, and anyway, who says people have a greater right to live than animals?”

  • 5a.) Personhood is properly defined by membership in the human species, not by stage of development within that species. 5b.) Personhood is not a matter of size, skill, or degree of intelligence. 5c.) The unborn’s status should be determined on an objective basis, not on subjective or self-serving definitions of personhood. 5d.) It is a scientific fact that there are thought processes at work in unborn babies. 5e.) If the unborn’s value can be compared to that of an animal, there is no reason not to also compare the value of born people to animals. 5f.) Even if someone believes that people are no better than animals, why would they abhor the killing of young animals, while advocating the killing of young children? 5g.) It is dangerous when people in power are free to determine whether other, less powerful lives are meaningful. 5h.) Arguments against the personhood of the unborn are shrouded in rationalization and denial.

6. “A fetus isn’t a person until implantation…or until quickening or viability or when it first breathes.”

  • 6a.) Implantation is a gauge of personhood only if location, nutrition, and interfacing with others make us human. 6b.) Quickening is a gauge of personhood only if someone’s reality or value depends upon being noticed by another. 6c.) Viability is an arbitrary concept. Why not associate personhood with heartbeat, brain waves, or something else? 6d.) The point of viability changes because it depends on technologç not the unborn herself. Eventually babies may be viable from the point of conception. 6e.) In a broad sense, many born people are not viable because they are incapable of surviving without depending on others. 6f.) A child’s “breathing,” her intake of oxygen, begins long before birth. 6g.) Someone’s helplessness or dependency should motivate us to protect her, not to destroy her.

7. “Obviously life begins at birth. That’s why we celebrate birthdays, not conception days, and why we don’t have funerals following miscarriages.”

  • 7a.) Our recognition of birthdays is cultural, not scientific. 7b.) Some people do have funerals after a miscarriage. 7c.) Funerals are an expression of our subjective attachment to those who have died, not a measurement of their true worth. 7d.) There is nothing about birth that makes a baby essentially different than he was before birth.

8. “No one can really know that human life begins before birth.”

  • 8a.) Children know that human life begins before birth. 8b.) Pregnant women know that human life begins before birth. 8c.) Doctors know that human life begins before birth. 8d.) Abortionists know that human life begins before birth. 8e.) Prochoice feminists know that human life begins before birth. 8f.) Society knows that human life begins before birth. 8g.) The media know that human life begins before birth. 8h.) Prochoice advocates know that human life begins before birth. 8i.) If we can’t know that human life begins before birth, how can we know whether it begins at birth or later?

Part Two: Arguments Concerning Rights and Fairness

9. “Even if the unborn are human beings, they have fewer rights than the woman. No one should be expected to donate her body as a life-support system for someone else.”

  • 9a.) Once we grant that the unborn are human beings, it should settle the question of their right to live. 9b.) The right to live doesn’t increase with age and size; otherwise toddlers and adolescents have less right to live than adults. 9c.) The comparison between a baby’s rights and a mother’s rights is unequal. What is at stake in abortion is the mother’s lifestyle, as opposed to the baby’s life. 9d.) It is reasonable for society to expect an adult to live temporarily with an inconvenience if the only alternative is killing a child.

10. “Every person has the right to choose. It would be unfair to restrict a woman’s choice by prohibiting abortion.”

  • 10a.) Any civilized society restricts the individual’s freedom to choose whenever that choice would harm an innocent person. 10b.) “Freedom to choose” is too vague for meaningful discussion; we must always ask, “Freedom to choose what?” 10c.) People who are prochoice about abortion are often not prochoice about other issues with less at stake. 10d.) The one-time choice of abortion robs someone else of a lifetime of choices and prevents him from ever exercising his rights. 10e.) Everyone is prochoice when it comes to the choices prior to pregnancy and after birth. 10f.) Nearly all violations of human rights have been defended on the grounds of the right to choose.

11. “Every woman should have control over her own body. Reproductive freedom is a basic right.”

  • 11a.) Abortion assures that 650,000 females each year do not have control over their bodies. 11b.) Not all things done with a person’s body are right, nor should they all be legally protected. 11c.) Prolifers consistently affirm true reproductive rights. 11d.) Even prochoicers must acknowledge that the “right to control one’s body” argument has no validity if the unborn is a human being. 11e.) Too often “the right to control my life” becomes the right to hurt and oppress others for my own advantage. 11f.) Control over the body can be exercised to prevent pregnancy in the first place. 11g.) It is demeaning to a woman’s body and self-esteem to regard pregnancy as an unnatural, negative, and “out of control” condition.

12. “Abortion is a decision between a woman and her doctor. It’s no one else’s business. Everyone has a constitutional right to privacy.”

  • 12a.) The Constitution does not contain a right to privacy. 12b.) Privacy is never an absolute right, but is always governed by other rights. 12c.) The encouragement or assistance of a doctor does not change the nature, consequences, or morality of abortion. 12d.) The father of the child is also responsible for the child and should have a part in this decision. 12e.) The father will often face serious grief and guilt as a result of abortion. Since his life will be significantly affected, shouldn’t he have something to say about it?

13. “It’s unfair for an unmarried woman to have to face the embarrassment of pregnancy or the pain of giving up a child for adoption.”

  • 13a.) Pregnancy is not a sin. Society should not condemn and pressure an unmarried mother into abortion, but should help and support her. 13b.) The poor choice of premarital sex is never compensated for by the far worse choice of killing an innocent human being. 13c.) One person’s unfair or embarrassing circumstances do not justify violating the rights of another person. 13d.) Adoption is a fine alternative that avoids the burden of child raising, while saving a life and making a family happy; it is tragic that adoption is so infrequently chosen as an alternative to abortion. 13e.) The reason that adoption may be painful is the same reason that abortion is wrong—a human life is involved.

14. “Abortion rights are fundamental for the advancement of women. They are essential to having equal rights with men.”

  • 14a.) Early feminists were prolife, not prochoice. 14b.) Some active feminists still vigorously oppose abortion. 14c.) Women’s rights are not inherently linked to the right to abortion. 14d.) The basic premises of the abortion-rights movement are demeaning to women. 14e.) Many of the assumptions that connect women’s welfare with abortion, the pill, and free sex have proven faulty. 14f.) Some of the abortion-rights strategies assume female incompetence and subject women to ignorance and exploitation. 14g.) Abortion has become the most effective means of sexism ever devised, ridding the world of multitudes of unwanted females.

15. “The circumstances of many women leave them no choice but to have an abortion.”

  • 15a.) Saying they have no choice is not being prochoice, but proabortion. 15b.) Those who are truly prochoice must present a woman with a number of possible choices instead of just selling the choice of abortion. 15c.) “Abortion or misery” is a false portrayal of the options; it keeps women from pursuing—and society from providing—positive alternatives.

16. “I’m personally against abortion, but I’m still prochoice. It’s a legal alternative and we don’t have the right to keep it from anyone. Everyone’s free to believe what they want, but we shouldn’t try to impose it on others.”

  • 16a.) To be prochoice about abortion is to be proabortion. 16b.) The only good reason for being personally against abortion is a reason that demands we be against other people choosing to have abortions. 16c.) What is legal is not always right. 16d.) How can we tell people that they are perfectly free to believe abortion is the killing of children but that they are not free to act as if what they believe is really true?

Part Three: Arguments Concerning Social Issues

17. “‘Every child a wanted child.’ It’s unfair to children to bring them into a world where they’re not wanted.”

  • 17a.) Every child is wanted by someone; there is no such thing as an unwanted child. 17b.) There is a difference between an unwanted pregnancy and an unwanted child. 17c.) "Unwanted” describes not a condition of the child, but an attitude of adults. 17d.) The problem of unwantedness is a good argument for wanting children, but a poor argument for eliminating them. 17e.) What is most unfair to unwanted children is to kill them.

18. “Having more unwanted children results in more child abuse.”

  • 18a.) Most abused children were wanted by their parents. 18b.) Child abuse has not decreased since abortion was legalized, but has dramatically increased. 18c.) If children are viewed as expendable before birth, they will be viewed as expendable after birth. 18d.) It is illogical to argue that a child is protected from abuse through abortion since abortion is child abuse.

19. “Restricting abortion would be unfair to the poor and minorities, who need it most.”

  • 19a.) It is not unfair for some people to have less opportunity than others to kill the innocent. 19b.) The rich and white, not the poor and minorities, are most committed to unrestricted abortion. 19c.) Prochoice advocates want the poor and minorities to have abortions, but oppose requirements that abortion risks and alternatives be explained to them. 19d.) Planned Parenthood’s abortion advocacy was rooted in the eugenics movement and its bias against the mentally and physically handicapped and minorities.

20. “Abortion helps solve the problem of overpopulation and raises the quality of life.”

  • 20a.) The current birthrate in America is less than what is needed to maintain our population level. 20b.) The dramatic decline in our birthrate will have a disturbing economic effect on America. 20c.) Overpopulation is frequently blamed for problems with other causes. 20d.) If there is a population problem that threatens our standard of living, the solution is not to kill off part of the population. 20e.) Sterilization and abortion as cures to overpopulation could eventually lead to mandatory sterilization and abortion. 20f.) The “quality of life” concept is breeding a sense of human expendability that has far-reaching social implications.

21. “Even if abortion were made illegal, there would still be many abortions.”

  • 21a.) That harmful acts against the innocent will take place regardless of the law is a poor argument for having no law. 21b.) The law can guide and educate people to choose better alternatives. 21c.) Laws concerning abortion have significantly influenced whether women choose to have abortions.

22. “The antiabortion beliefs of the minority shouldn’t be imposed on the majority.”

  • 22a.) Major polls clearly indicate that the majority, not the minority, believes that there should be greater restrictions on abortion. 22b.) Many people’s apparent agreement with abortion law stems from their ignorance of what the law really is. 22c.) Beliefs that abortion should be restricted are embraced by a majority in each major political party. 22d.) In 1973 the Supreme Court imposed a minority morality on the nation, ignoring the votes of citizens and the decisions of state legislatures.

23. “The antiabortion position is a religious belief that threatens the vital separation of church and state.”

  • 23a.) Many nonreligious people believe that abortion kills children and that it is wrong. 23b.) Morality must not be rejected just because it is supported by religion. 23c.) America was founded on a moral base dependent upon principles of the Bible and the Christian religion. 23d.) Laws related to church and state were intended to assure freedom for religion, not freedom from religion. 23e.) Religion’s waning influence on our society directly accounts for the moral deterioration threatening our future.

Part Four: Arguments Concerning Health and Safety

24. “If abortion is made illegal, tens of thousands of women will again die from back-alley and clothes-hanger abortions.”

  • 24a.) For decades prior to its legalization, 90 percent of abortions were done by physicians in their offices, not in back alleys. 24b.) It is not true that tens of thousands of women were dying from illegal abortions before abortion was legalized. 24c.) The history of abortion in Poland invalidates claims that making abortion illegal would bring harm to women. 24d.) Women still die from legal abortions in America. 24e.) If abortion became illegal, abortions would be done with medical equipment, not clothes hangers. 24f.)mWe must not legalize procedures that kill the innocent just to make the killing process less hazardous. 24g.) The central horror of illegal abortion remains the central horror of legal abortion.

25. “Abortion is a safe medical procedure—safer than full-term pregnancy and childbirth.”

  • 25a.) Abortion is not safer than full-term pregnancy and childbirth. 25b.) Though the chances of a woman’s safe abortion are now greater, the number of suffering women is also greater because of the huge increase in abortions. 25c.) Even if abortion were safer for the mother than childbirth, it would still remain fatal for the innocent child. 25d.) Abortion can produce many serious medical problems. 25e.) Abortion significantly raises the rate of breast cancer. 25f.) The statistics on abortion complications and risks are often understated due to the inadequate means of gathering data. 25g.) The true risks of abortion are rarely explained to women by those who perform abortions.

26. “Abortion is an easy and painless procedure.”

  • 26a.) The various abortion procedures are often both difficult and painful for women. 26b.) Abortion is often difficult and painful for fathers, grandparents, and siblings of the aborted child. 26c.) Abortion is often difficult and painful for clinic workers. 26d.) Abortion is difficult and painful for the unborn child. 26e.) Even if abortion were made easy or painless for everyone, it wouldn’t change the bottom-line problem that abortion kills children.

27. “Abortion relieves women of stress and responsibility, and thereby enhances their psychological well-being.”

  • 27a.) Research demonstrates abortion’s adverse psychological effects on women. 27b.) The many postabortion therapy and support groups testify to the reality of abortion’s potentially harmful psychological effects. 27c.) The suicide rate is significantly higher among women who have had abortions than among those who haven’t. 27d.) Postabortion syndrome is a diagnosable psychological affliction. 27e.) Many professional studies document the reality of abortion’s adverse psychological consequences on a large number of women. 27f.) Abortion can produce both short- and longer-term psychological damage, especially a sense of personal guilt. 27g.) Most women have not been warned about and are completely unprepared for the psychological consequences of abortion.

28. “Abortion providers are respected medical professionals working in the woman’s best interests.”

  • 28a.) Abortion clinics do not have to maintain the high standards of health, safety, and professionalism required of hospitals. 28b.) Many clinics are in the abortion industry because of the vast amounts of money involved. 28c.) Clinic workers commonly prey on fear, pain, and confusion to manipulate women into getting abortions. 28d.) Clinic workers regularly mislead or deceive women about the nature and development of their babies. 28e.) Abortionists engage in acts so offensive to the public that most media outlets refuse to describe them even in the abortionist’s own words. 28f.) Abortionists, feminists, a past president of the United States, many congressmen, and the Supreme Court have defended partial-birth abortion, one of the most chilling medical atrocities in human history. 28g.) Abortion clinics often exploit the feminist connection, making it appear that their motive is to stand up for women. 28h.) Doctors doing abortions violate the fundamental oaths of the medical profession.

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Part Five: Arguments Concerning the Hard Cases

29. “What about a woman whose life is threatened by pregnancy or childbirth?”

  • 29a.) It is an extremely rare case when abortion is required to save the mother’s life. 29b.) When two lives are threatened and only one can be saved, doctors must always save that life. 29c.) Abortion for the mother’s life and abortion for the mother’s health are usually not the same issue. 29d.) Abortion to save the mother’s life was legal before convenience abortion was legalized and would continue to be if abortion were made illegal again.

30. “What about a woman whose unborn baby is diagnosed as deformed or handicapped?”

  • 30a.) The doctor’s diagnosis is sometimes wrong. 30b.) The child’s deformity is often minor. 30c.) Medical tests for deformity may cause as many problems as they detect. 30d.) Handicapped children are often happy, always precious, and usually delighted to be alive. 30e.) Handicapped children are not social liabilities, and bright and “normal” people are not always social assets. 30f.) Using dehumanizing language may change our thinking, but not the child’s nature or value. 30g.) Our society is hypocritical in its attitude toward handicapped children. 30h.) The adverse psychological effects of abortion are significantly more traumatic for those who abort because of deformity. 30i.) The arguments for killing a handicapped unborn child are valid only if they also apply to killing born people who are handicapped. 30j.) Abortions due to probable handicaps rob the world of unique human beings who would significantly contribute to society. 30k.) Abortions due to imperfections have no logical stopping place; they will lead to designer babies, commercial products to be bred and marketed, leaving other people to be regarded as inferior and disposable.

31. “What about a woman who is pregnant due to rape or incest?”

  • 31a.) Pregnancy due to rape is extremely rare, and with proper treatment can be prevented. 31b.) Rape is never the fault of the child; the guilty party not an innocent party should be punished. 31c.) The violence of abortion parallels the violence of rape, 31d.) Abortion does not bring healing to a rape victim. 31e.) A child is a child regardless of the circumstances of his conception. 31f.) What about already-born people who are “products of rape”? 31g.) All that is true of children conceived in rape is true of those conceived in incest.

Final Thoughts on the Hard Cases

  • 1.) No adverse circumstance for one human being changes the nature and worth of another human being. 2.) Laws must not be built on exceptional cases.

Part Six: Arguments Against the Character of Prolifers

32. “Antiabortionists are so cruel that they insist on showing hideous pictures of dead babies.”

  • 32a.) What is hideous is not the pictures themselves, but the reality they depict. 32b.) Pictures challenge our denial of the horrors of abortion. If something is too horrible to look at, perhaps it is too horrible to condone. 32c.) Nothing could be more relevant to the discussion of something than that which shows what it really is. 32d.) It is the prochoice position, not the prolife position, that is cruel.

33. “Prolifers don’t care about women, and they don’t care about babies once they’re born. They have no right to speak against abortion unless they are willing to care for these children.”

  • 33a.) Prolifers are actively involved in caring for women in crisis pregnancies and difficult child-raising situations. 33b.) Prolifers are actively involved in caring for unwanted children and the other “disposable people” in society. 33c.) It is abortion providers who do not provide support for women choosing anything other than abortion.

34. “The antiabortionists are a bunch of men telling women what to do.”

  • 34a.) There is no substantial difference between men and women’s views of abortion. 34b.) Some polls suggest that more women than men oppose abortion. 34c.) The great majority of prolife workers are women. 34d.) If men are disqualified from the abortion issue, they should be disqualified on both sides. 34e.) Men are entitled to take a position on abortion. 34f.) There are many more women in prolife organizations than there are in proabortion organizations. 34g.) Of women who have had abortions, far more are prolife activists than pro-choice activists.

35. “Antiabortionists talk about the sanctity of human life, yet they favor capital punishment.”

  • 35a.) Not all prolifers favor capital punishment. 35b.) Capital punishment is rooted in a respect for innocent human life. 35c.) There is a vast difference between punishing a convicted murderer and killing an innocent child.

36. “Antiabortion fanatics break the law, are violent, and bomb abortion clinics.”

  • 36a.) Media coverage of prolife civil disobedience often bears little resemblance to what actually happens. 36b.) Prolife civil disobedience should not be condemned without understanding the reasons behind it. 36c.) Peaceful civil disobedience is consistent with the belief that the unborn are human beings. 36d.) Prolife protests have been remarkably nonviolent, and even when there has been violence, it has often been committed by clinic employees and escorts. 36e.) Abortion clinic bombing and violence are rare, and are neither done nor endorsed by prolife organizations.

37. “The antiabortionists distort the facts and resort to emotionalism to deceive the public.”

  • 37a.) The facts themselves make abortion an emotional issue. 37b.) It is not the prolife position, but the prochoice position that relies on emotionalism more than truth and logic. 37c.) The prolife position is based on documented facts and empirical evidence, which many prochoice advocates ignore or distort. 37d.) The prochoice movement consistently caricatures and misrepresents prolifers and their agenda. 37e.) The prochoice movement, from its beginnings, has lied to and exploited women, including the “Roe” of Roe v. Wade and the “Doe” of Doe v. Bolton.

38. “Antiabortion groups hide behind a profamily facade, while groups such as Planned Parenthood are truly profamily because they assist in family planning.”

  • 38a.) The prochoice movement’s imposition of “family planning” on teenagers has substantially contributed to the actual cause of teen pregnancy. 38b.) Through its opposition to parental notification and consent, Planned Parenthood consistently undermines the value and authority of the family. 38c.) Planned Parenthood makes huge financial profits from persuading people to get abortions. 38d.) Planned Parenthood has been directly involved in the scandals of trafficking baby body parts. 38e.) As demonstrated in the case of Becky Bell, the prochoice movement is willing to distort and exploit family tragedies to promote its agenda. 38f.) Planned Parenthood, the prochoice movement, and the media ignore family tragedies that do not support the prochoice agenda.

Summary Argument

39. “The last three decades of abortion rights have helped make our society a better place to live.”

  • 39a.) Abortion has left terrible holes in our society. 39b.) Abortion has made us a nation of schizophrenics concerning our children. 39c.) Abortion is a modern holocaust which is breeding unparalleled violence and to which we are accomplices. 39d.) Abortion is taking us in a direction from which we might never return. 39e.) Abortion has ushered in the brave new world of human pesticides. 39f.) Abortion has led us into complete moral subjectivism in which we are prone to justify as ethical whatever it is we want to do.

Case in point.

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Hello hello everyone, I wanted to take some time to quickly introduce myself, I am Thia, I am a survivor of the Chinese femicide and the One-Child Policy, which was done away with in 2016. I was adopted back in January of 2004 and have been in the U.S since then. I do not remember much of my birth place, only that I ended up in the orphanage at 6 weeks, which is a little unique as most are placed immediately into an orphanage or killed. I was lucky enough to simply end up in the orphanage, instead of being abandoned in a box or killed off. I have grown up knowing that I survived infanticide, and I have always known that I was left behind by my birth family because of the One-Child Policy, because they wanted a son to guarantee their retirement and carry their name onto the next generation. I had no voice then, I had no one to speak for me, so I want to be the voice to those who cannot speak now.

China has always had terrible history of infanticide committed against Chinese girls. Some 30 million baby girls were abandoned, drowned, poisoned, left in a box, in an alley, the dumpster, they were left for dead. You name it someone had been driven by desperation to do it. And not only were many killed after birth, so many more where aborted when technology caught up and scans could indicate the sex of the baby. Abortion, legal or not, is painful for the baby, it is cruel and should never be an option to throw around as an alternative because someone does not want a child. Abortion is child murder and there is no other way to word it, there is no softening the blow of what abortion truly is, it is murder.

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Pro-choicers need to stop with this argument because it doesn't work for several reasons.

  • It's a fallacy and it's not used for any other issue. No one says if a person is against animal cruelty they have to go adopt every animal from the shelter. Having an inability to adopt animals does not mean a person cannot care about animal abuse just like not having the ability or means to foster or adopt a child doesn't mean we can't care about babies being killed.
  • I don't think you understand the foster system and I don't know where the accusation that pro-life people ignore children in foster care comes from. The goal of foster care is reunification with the biological parents, not adoption. The majority of the children in foster care are not up for adoption but when they are, over half of them are adopted by their foster families.
  • Now let's talk about who's actually doing the fostering and adopting. Pew Research has indicated that the overwhelming majority of Christians are pro-life. Now, taking that fact, it has also been found that Christians are more than twice as likely to adopt as the majority of other Americans and are also more likely to foster children than the majority of other Americans.

So you make baseless accusations like we don't care about children in the foster care when we are actually the people fostering and adopting these unwanted and hurt children at a higher rate than the rest of the country, even though it's not required to be pro-life.

So it turns out it's the pro-choicers who don't actually care about the foster children if we're going by the numbers of who's actually adopting and fostering.

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This is so key.

These aren’t women who chose life - these are women who could not get an abortion they wanted. And 96% are glad they didn’t get it 5 years later.

So if abortion is made illegal, we may see some “back alley” abortions, but we can expect that the majority of those who would have had abortions had they been legal will give birth to live babies and not regret it.

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Anonymous asked:

Would you mind explaining something for me? Why do people who say they love freedom and the rights of citizens want to take them away? Isn't it enough to say "I think abortion is wrong, so I will not get one." and allow others to make their own choice on the subject?

First things first, thank you for the question and for being so respectful in your ask :) I don't want to fight, I just want to have civil conversations.

So you say we're taking away freedom and rights. But a person's rights stop when they are bringing harm to another human being. For example let's say there's a no parking sign and someone says that the sign is infringing on their rights because they want to park there. But by parking there they could cause a car crash and harm to others. So that person does not have the right to harm someone else, which is what I believe abortion is. Of course, people who support abortion would say that pre-born babies are not actual human beings. And this is where the root of the abortion issue actually is. What is the pre-born baby? I would say that a pre-born baby is a human being with the same rights as anyone else. People who support abortion would say that they're clumps of cells with no rights. (I'm also a clump of cells and so are you, but that's not the point.)

But your question is why can't I just disagree with you and move on. Well it's simple. Since I believe that the pre-born are human beings with rights, that means that abortion is the murder of a human being with rights. So replacing "abortion" in your question with "murder" (because that is what it is) you come out with this: Isn't it enough to say "I think murder is wrong, so I will not do it." and allow others to make their own choice on the subject?

But again, I do not want to fight. I hope I could answer your question well!

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