For men, shame is not a bunch of competing, conflicting expectations. Shame is one, do not be perceived as what? Weak. I did not interview men for the first four years of my study. And it wasn't until a man looked at me after a book signing, and said, "I love what say about shame, I'm curious why you didn't mention men." And I said, "I don't study men." And he said, "That's convenient."
And I said, "Why?" And he said, "Because you say to reach out, tell our story, be vulnerable. But you see those books you just signed for my wife and my three daughters?" I said, "Yeah." "They'd rather me die on top of my white horse than watch me fall down. When we reach out and be vulnerable, we get the shit beat out of us. And don't tell me it's from the guys and the coaches and the dads. Because the women in my life are harder on me than anyone else."
In March 2016 I sat in a hall filled with over 100 people in Rishikesh, India. A white cotton scarf slung around my shoulders, a string of prayer beads hanging from my neck. We were there to witness a satsang – a panel for spiritual discourse, or ‘gathering together for the truth’ as it formally translates from Sanskrit – hosted by a famous guru and spiritual leader. I had agreed to attend a day prior, baring little knowledge of what a satsang was, or what the guru – who had invited me – was necessarily known for. To suggest I was underprepared for what transpired the following day only touches the sides.
In this hall, the guru sat atop a throne-like chair on stage in front of hundreds of devoted followers who sobbed at the sight of him. A microphone was passed around; an opportunity for attendees to ask questions about enlightenment, purpose, and personal blockages. Some who got the opportunity to enquire fell to their knees, begging to just sit at his feet, kiss his hands, relish his energy. Assertions of the guru being the ‘real deal’ were thrown around fervently, and I, somehow sitting in a deep feeling of safety, couldn’t help but nod in agreement. I attended two more satsangs in the following week.
I travelled to Hyderabad for the day to hear him speak, let my Birkenstocks get stolen as I fell asleep on the floor in peace. I travelled to Lucknow with the group I was working with, visited the late guru Papaji’s ashram and sat in the dark listening to tapes of his past spiritual discourse sessions. We visited his house, sat in his living room, swatted mosquitos away as those who knew him reminisced on his presence. At one point, one of his devotees took me by the hand to the late guru’s bedroom. Silently directing me inside, he shut the door as he left me alone. I fell to my knees and wept, convinced that my physical reaction to what was happening was a spiritual apparition, and not the exhaustion of travelling through India for the past 10 days.
On reflection, I have been surrounded by cult-like dynamics all my life. Raised by parents who are ex-sannyasin’s and ex-Osho devotees – in Byron Bay – the wellness epicentre of Australia, almost indoctrinated into ashrams throughout India. Tightly bound social organisations have been constant, cultic mechanisms imbued in each ideation.
I thought about this trip for months after returning from India, desperate to tell anyone who’d listen about the teachings I’d been privy to. Wanting to go back every time I experienced any measure of pain, desperate for people to understand that the key to life is giving up your ego and embracing enlightenment through complete detachment of self.
It’s easy to imagine cults as mythology-fuelled organisations that tend to manifest as a group who forms an intense and bonding commitment to a charismatic leader or ideology; making use of several debilitating techniques of social control. Secret societies, exclusive and isolated social organisations. Most famously, The Manson Family, the Charles Manson-led cult responsible for the Manson Family murders, setting the stage for satanic panic across America; NXIVM, the sex-trafficking cult most famous for branding its followers; Osho’s Rashneeshpuram, the focus of Netflix’s Wild Wild Country docuseries; Children of God, the ‘free love’ organisation rife with child sexual abuse; The People’s Temple, most famous for the events in Guyana in 1978, where 909 people died in a mass suicide at its remote settlement named “Jonestown.” All painting a shuddering picture of extreme cases of destructive cults.
“When you get into a group where they say ‘your mind is the enemy, give up your ego, the leader is God, Jesus incarnate, don’t be attached to your body.’ It’s just so unhealthy,” says Dr. Steven Hassan, a mental health professional and expert in undue influence tactics used by authoritarian leaders and destructive cults. He is also the author of four books including Combating Cult Mind Control and The Cult of Trump, and an ex-Moonie cult member.
He defines the key characteristics of destructive cults as we know them as the control of people’s behaviour, their information, their thoughts and their emotions to make them dependent and obedient. “The issue is that you don’t have free will, in the sense that there are very strong pressures socially and psychologically, to conform, obey, be in fear. It’s an external locus of control for your life,” Hassan explains.
This kind of behaviour can be traced back in secret societies and cults throughout history. As Norman Mackenzie’s 1960 book Secret Societies describes, “The rituals of many societies may seem anachronistic and bizarre; their beliefs may appear foolish, and their practices eccentric or even barbarous. But no one should underestimate the hold they have had on the minds of those who have felt the need to join them.”
“When we look at a secret group under pressure, we see that its members may choose to die rather than to break the bonds that have united them.”
It’s pretty safe to guess that most people reading this believe themselves to be unsusceptible to cult-like behaviours or indoctrination techniques. How hard could it be, after all? Simply don’t join a cult. But I’d also argue that you’d be hard pressed to find any current or ex-cult member who set out to intentionally join a group. Dr. Hassan credits adherent acquisition to mind control. Not the mystic, Scooby-Doo-style variety, but the kind that is integral to the formation of destructive cults.
He bases this theory off the BITE model – an acronym Hassan pioneered to describe the specific methods cults use to recruit and maintain control over people. ‘BITE’ stands for Behaviour, Information, Thought and Emotional control. He has also developed an Influence Continuum chart, highlighting the scale of influence from individuals, leaders, and groups, ranging from constructive and healthy behaviour to destructive and unhealthy. According to Hassan, both can be cults, however not all are destructive. “Ethical to unethical, healthy, to unhealthy. It’s not a binary, it’s a continuum,” he says.
To think of cults as singularly synonymous with extreme destructive, abusive and controlling dynamics, is to overlook the many ways they have pervaded society for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
We must cast the net wider, investigating the grey area between the signals of ethical and unethical cult dynamics. In a crowded room, is it possible to identify the types of people most vulnerable to such persuasion? Without giving too much away, the answer is likely no. As desperate as we are to believe the opposite, almost anyone is at risk.
“In urbanised or highly industrialised societies,” Mackenzie writes, “secret associations of the fraternal, quasi-masonic type seem to be playing a stabilising role, helping to fill the void that has been created by the sheer size, complexity, and fragmentation of urban living.”
When reframed in the context of a digital world wound tightly around an obsession for wellness, the idea of destructive cultic mechanisms becomes even less linear. Author, journalist, co-host of the Conspirituality podcast and ex-cult member, Matthew Remski, can attest to this. After spending six of his formative years in two different cultic organisations (and 10 years post-exit recovering from the damage), Remski has been writing about cultic dynamics in yoga and Buddhist spaces since.
The product on offer is self-improvement, and the catalyst to get us there is the ‘enlightened’ guru or leader. When we look at some of the most notable cults in modern history, spirituality is an undeniable denominator in the promise that is offered. According to Remski, the intention is never as it would appear. “The first thing to be very clear about is that the cult doesn’t exist to provide content, the cult exists to manipulate members,” he says. “So people get quite confused about whether cultic organisations necessarily have a religious angle to them, or whether charismatic leaders have to take on the effect of religious figures or priests.”
While spirituality and cults can often be bound together by premise, the destruction often lies in the deception helmed by a malignant narcissist leader, not necessarily by the belief system itself.
“When you really get the basic axiom that the content of the cult is part of its deceptive technique, and therefore, it doesn’t really matter what the nuts and bolts are – in fact, the nuts and bolts of what they believe is part of the deception – and if you spend too much time talking about or analysing what the actual beliefs are, you’re kind of endorsing the organisation as being a religious organisation, or a political organisation.” Remski says.
When observing cultic dynamics that are rooted in self-improvement from a wellness practice lens (think yoga and meditation), the line of authoritarian control becomes even less demarcated.
“I think that it’s the spiritual cults that are most famous because they seem to be the most unlikely,” says Remski. “And at the same time, the difference between what is promised and what actually happens is so egregious, that it presents a particularly pernicious level of betrayal.” Therein lies the danger of the carrot offered to the follower. “You will understand reality on one hand, or you will become enlightened. But then the shadow of that promise is a deep threat. Which is, ‘If you don’t go along with this ideology, and if you don’t submit yourself to this kind of control, you will be imperilled, perhaps forever or for lifetimes’.”
The last decade’s rise and rise of wellness culture has come served not only with gut cleansing tonics and calls for mindfulness, but also heaped doses of scepticism, with some likening it to one of the largest covert ideations of cultic mechanisms in the modern world.
The carrot on offer, for example, is the same one blended in the ginger, orange and turmeric juice Gwyneth Paltrow wants you to drink each morning to ‘kick start’ your metabolism – a promise of the aspirational self-bottled into product form, with a label declaring ‘You need this for people to see you as whole. As reformed. As clean.’
What we are coming to witness is the normalisation of cultic dynamics in a more efficient way, proliferated by access to a digital world. One example is the influencer, who has been presented with a unique opportunity to channel all of the charisma and control tactics of the guru with very little accountability. The influencer who is constantly telling you to detox your body (a function that our livers quite often have under control if you’re not totally abusing it) is the same one directly profiting off of the activated charcoal and dry body brush they have a discount code linked to in their bio. “There’s a direct lineage of charismatic personalities and marketing the aspirational self, in ways that are more and more socially acceptable. That’s basically the wellness industry. That’s certainly also more lucrative, right?” Remski says.
Right, of course. We’re not being forced to purchase something that will supposedly increase our value as human beings, but to not understand the scope of the way these tactics can infiltrate our behaviour and, ultimately, our sense of worth as individuals, is to ignore the evidence that has been building a case against the deceptiveness of social media for years.
It was here in these spaces that my own relationship to wellness became directly linked to forms of self-harm. On cleanses since the age of 15, going vegan, cutting out oil, cutting out fats, going raw, restricting my fruit intake, restricting my calorie intake, restricting my freedom, leading me further down my relentless pursuit of cleanliness that always seemed to be at the end of the next celery juice fast. This time, I should add, was when I was my weakest and most miserable self. It was also the time that I sat for hours in satsang, on the precipice of worshipping gurus.
For many, an affliction to the wellness industry is a posthumous reaction to experiencing more destructive cultic behaviour. A convergence of capitalist wellness sociology is born on the tails of intense cultic dynamics, offering a sense of normalcy and reduced harm without so much changing the balance of power.
Today, the digital experience has not only proliferated the concept of wellness as a cultic mechanism, but much darker forces, too. “I think that especially in the digital age, especially in the age of Qanon… in the age of online network marketing, in the age of multi-level marketing, we have to start looking at cultic dynamics as being features of tightly bound social organisations that benefit very few,” Remski says. The vision of the cult as we traditionally know it has transcended both location and leader, and manifests in ways that are undeniably more nuanced than our traditional understanding.
Dr. Hassan’s BITE model can be applied in exactly the same way through the lens of groups that exist on the internet. Characteristics such as behavioural control can manifest not only through people being told exactly what to do, but also through actions. In the case of the Qanon phenomenon – a set of internet-born conspiracy theories that allege that the world is run by a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles, among other disproven rhetoric – these actions, for example, include staying up all night waiting for Q drops (an inadvertent form of sleep deprivation). Or, being shown algorithmic content wherein artificial intelligence has figured out the users’ emotional hotspots and targets them with content that will fuel the conspiracy. “The AI for the social media is doing the work of the charismatic leader, who used to have to escalate his or her own content in order to radicalise. They don’t have to do that anymore,” Remski says.
In tandem to this, Dr. Hassan notes that the pandemic has been another amplifier, exacerbating feelings of vulnerability. “Everyone has anxiety,” Dr. Hassan says, “everyone was socially isolated. So, it was just that much easier to spread all kinds of influence projects to get people involved.” As a result, the acceleration of Qanon has made it one of the most well-known digital cult dynamics of the modern era. Its most notable method of magnification is through recruitment tactics that preyed on the uncertainty of the past year.
This highlights another vital part of the conversation: In order to unpack the role cultic dynamics play in our society, it’s important to acknowledge the types of people vulnerable to becoming victims, as well as the type of leader. Someone who, as Dr. Hassan points out, could be anyone at the ‘right place and right time’.
“There’s always deception used,” Dr. Hassan explains. “In my case, my girlfriend dumped me. I was a college student … Three women pretending to be students approached me out in the cafeteria and it led to me going to a dinner and a lecture, and then being invited to go away for a weekend. And then I got into a cult for two and a half years.”
As far as the anticipation of cult indoctrination, it’s seldom likely that the idea sits high on many peoples’ list of worries. Rather, it lingers like an afterthought, once the bitter taste of another’s story has cleared from their throats; a passed judgement about how someone could end up in such an unthinkable scenario. No-one considers themselves easy bait, and our tendency to generalise incorrectly is an unfortunate constant in the overarching conversation. To imagine that the only people vulnerable to cultic dynamics are those who are stupid, weak, uneducated, mentally or emotionally distressed (and so on), is to close oneself off to the potential warning signs of recruitment.
“We’re human beings. We like to learn and grow, we like to have friends and do meaningful things. And in the right sequence, an authoritarian cult recruiter can influence many people that get involved, Dr. Hassan warns. “And then once you’re involved,” it becomes increasingly difficult to exit.”
In most cases, it comes down to both community and bonds. When those bonds are informed by trauma, and the leader of the group can oscillate between terror and love bombing, disorganised attachment is likely to form. Remski attributes this theory to the work of Alexandra Stein, a writer and educator specialising in the social psychology of ideological extremism and dangerous social relationships. “Forget about the ideology, forget about what the person is promising you, forget about the robes and the funny hats and the weird rituals,” he says. “Forget about all of that. At the heart of the basic relationships, if there is a confusion between an authority figure who terrifies and then seems to offer a false safe haven or protection, that’s the magic. That’s what’s going to bond people together in this extremely destructive dynamic.”
Norman Mackenzie articulated the dynamic in Secret Societies, attributing an involvement in cults to the underpinnings of the modern identity crisis. One that, when the net truly is cast wider, can be recognised as a murmur within us all. A murmur that ultimately becomes louder with our desire to find community, form connections, do work that feels meaningful, live out our purpose, and find ways to combat the innate loneliness that is intrinsic to our existence in a contemporary world.
“It is important to realise that these groups may reflect as many different aspects of human thought and action as are found in society at large – and that each, in its own way, represents an attempt to solve the common human problem of identity.”
"Satan will look for your child's weakest area and attack at that point. He will attempt to fill your child with worry, reasoning, fear, depression and discouraging negative thoughts."
-- Joyce Meyer, "Battlefield of the Mind for Teens"
Aside from disparaging reason, which is kryptonite to “faith,” what she’s actually saying is “let us exploit your vulnerable child first.”
i find it funny when born agains are either orginally muslim/hindu/jewish etc or grew up in a christian household before and then act like it was gods will for them to convert. like, if i switch from KFC to Mcdonalds (same shit different brand) it doesn't mean Mcdonalds is better. Also when born agains are in shitty situations and act like christians grooming them when they're vunrable means that god is real.
I've heard becoming born again, like becoming woke, is like falling in love, and that they'll even describe it as being like they "fell in love with Christ."
It's part of the whole shtick of any religious, cult or ideological initiation to induce, create or exploit a feeling of disgust or self-condemnation about the present circumstances.
Part of the next step, indoctrination, is to solve that disgust with the beliefs of the group, thus inducing elation, that born again, saved feeling. And now you have to tell other people about it, how they can feel elated too, how they can be saved.
They can't feel too good though, otherwise they'd be done and could walk away satisfied. Solutions to vulnerabilities can't be sold, they can only be rented, and the belief system and its mythology is created specifically to facilitate this.
It's just dime-store psychological trickery. But people fall for it all the time. As you mention, it's most effective when there's already a vulnerability. When someone dies, when life is hard, when the world has shifted and people feel life is unstable. You see it time and time again. We saw it en masse last year with people tearfully confessing their original sin, and vowing to reject the devil.
It's ultimately not about "god is real." It's about the fact they now feel better about themselves - but not too good, as that would be the sin of pride. "God is real" is just the Dumbo-feather that got them there.
What are some of the most common methods/ways that religions use to manipulate, control, brainwash, and/or abuse peoples?
Steven Hassan’s BITE model - Behavior control, Information control, Thought control, Emotional control - is probably relevant here.
This was formulated to describe cult manipulations, but I think you’ll find that many, if not all, are also found to varying degrees in even accepted religions.
While some believers will likely scoff and go “yeah, we don’t do that,” pay attention to what those who left are saying. Ex-Muslims, ex-Xtians, ex-JWs, ex-Mormons, etc.
Joe Bauer from the Born Again Again podcast, for example, explains how he dulled his personality to be more godly, because certain emotions weren’t glorifying. He and Katie talk about how they deliberately stunted their own sexuality in order to remain pure, and practiced thought- and emotion-stopping techniques, thinking these were good things that a good Xtian should do.
For pretty much every one of the items above, I think I could cite at least two examples from across a variety of accepted, conventional religions. I think many of us who have come up against believers, or listened to the stories of apostates could think of examples. Again, not every religion does all these things, but all religions do some of these things.
At their core though, as Sheldon accurately points out, it’s fear. Fear of death, fear of ostracism, fear of Sky Daddy, fear of hell, fear of being different, fear of the unknown, fear of not being good enough. This fear is either somewhat natural and pre-existing, or created wholecloth.
Supplemented by its counterpart: comfort. Comfort in easy answers - “those silly scientists don’t know where everything came from, but I do!” - comfort in being taken care of, comfort in a happy post-death lie, comfort in moral certainty.
And coupled with guilt, both natural existential and empathetic guilt - “why do I exist?”, “why do I have the things I have while others go without?” - and the manufactured guilt introduced by the doctrine - “Jesus died for your sins!”, the ever-present shame Muslimah (Muslim women) are taught to feel, “justifying” veiling.
Start it early enough, and it’s super-easy to do. Wait a little longer and it’s harder but not impossible - either find or create a vulnerability, and then exploit it, using religious doctrine to resolve that vulnerability. Like any predator.
i was raped when i was 6, and when i've tried to talk to my mom or sister about it (both christian) both have gone to the whole "Jesus can heal you!" thing. when i try to tell them to not bring up religion they get offended. its amazing how manipluative christians can be, trying to get someone else to join their faith while they're in a vunrable time
Really sorry to hear this, both what happened to you and the lack of help and compassion you received. You mentioned in a separate message to me that you’re “fine, i'm gonna be fine.” I like your confidence and your resoluteness, but I also hope that if you find that you do need help, you get the right people with the right priorities.
It never stops being thoroughly disappointing, yet completely unsurprising, to hear stories like this. Sounds like what you needed most was to have them listen to you, and let you tell them what you need. But it seems they couldn’t even do that.
And it’s a totally gross concept from end to end. If “Jesus can heal you” then Jesus had the power to stop it in the first place, but didn’t. Some will tell you that god/Jesus makes it happen to “bring you closer to him,” never noticing how psychopathic this notion is. Others will even tell you that they pray for bad things to happen to people to make them “find god” in their loss, despair or panic, and feel completely righteous and not at all serial-killer deranged. That prayer doesn’t work, those thoughts are going nowhere outside their heads and will have no effect is irrelevant.
This certainly demonstrates religious priorities, where “making the sale” is more important than the wellbeing of another human life. They’re a servant to their god, first and foremost, just itching to exploit a weakness to bolster its army, as you observed. And a fellow human being as a distant second.
When I was in a christian org on campus, we were told to find freshman * before they had other friends * because they would be the most likely to convert. Also, people who weren’t converted after a year but still talked to us were often considered “projects”. On occasion folks would be talking about their “project people” and say “I almost wish something bad would happen to them so they realize how much they need Jesus”.
Not everyone in that group was like that and perhaps most churches aren’t like that either, but if you are christian and think that you found God when you were most desperate, maybe ask yourself if others see you as trying to “fix”, brainwash, or save them despite not wanting saved.
The reason desperate folks convert is it’s often a (decent) coping mechanism. There are a lot of healthy habits I learned at church that when I left, I simply reskinned into a nonreligious habit. Or I found out later are similar to a common tool therapists tell you to use. If you give a drowning person a Jesus shaped float, they might say Jesus saved them from drowning. That does not mean they should take the other floats off the boat, it means the float worked.
Religious people always target children and people who are dealing with a bad situation or a traumatic experience. Impressionable beings that are easy to shape the way you want it and people who are desperate for anything that makes them feel better about their situation. gee, ain't that convenient.
Yes, it’s indoctrination and it’s predatory. It’s manipulation and betrayal of the trust impressionable children place in the grown ups they depend upon, and vulnerable people place in others when asking for help. It’s an admission that they couldn’t teach or present this nonsense to someone who is mature, clear-minded and reasonable, and only someone impressionable, vulnerable or in distress could be convinced of it.
Imagine trying to convince a 13 year old who has never heard of Santa that Santa Claus is real.
It’s instilled in children with fear, both in the god-creature and in the idea of questioning what they have been told. Simply having doubts puts them at risk with their god.
“I read the section about the historicity of Jesus, and I noticed half the stuff he used didn’t add up to affirmations of Christ’s existence. But I didn’t research anything more because I’m scared. Scared out of my mind that there’s a possibility that I’m wrong, and I feel like a heretic just thinking about it.” - Matt Dillahunty reading a letter from a 15 year old having doubts about their beliefs.
in almost every story I’ve ever heard of someone who genuinely, truly believed - as opposed to someone like me who was never convinced - a true believer, a true Xtian, a true Muslim or whatever, their de-conversion included a period of desperately trying to find a reason, any reason, to believe, out of fear their instincts, their reasoning, their logic could be wrong and they’d be putting themselves in peril. These are people who no longer think their god is real, but have had it so ingrained into them that they’re still terrified of this monstrous god-creature and the hell it rules over.
There’s a name for this: Religious Trauma Syndrome. And it’s exactly because this indoctrination, this false idea of the way the world works, this self-hate, this blind obedience to un-earned authority is so pervasive and complete.
They’re taught to blindly obey and to not think for themselves.
Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
While “Islam” literally means submission, subservience. In both case, this teaches believers that they’re worthless, that they’re broken and need a god to make them whole and tell them what to do - of course, only through that god’s self-appointed prophets.
Their own scripture teaches them that non-believers are to be killed...
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Quran 4.89
They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
Psalm 2:8-9
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Quran 9:5
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
... or shunned...
2 John 9-10
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Quran 4:144
O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?
2 Timothy 2:16
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Quran 3:28
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
... because they’re evil.
Hebrews 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Quran 9:123
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
Imagine growing up surrounded by this shit, knowing that if you use your own mind and don’t follow blindly, the religious dogma around you instructs others to kill or shun you, and that you’re evil - literally the “enemy” - for not believing in superstition and literal magic.
And as you mentioned, the predatory nature of religion doesn’t end with childhood indoctrination. It’s about finding vulnerable, desperate people and recruiting them. Like timeshare salespeople who are never not selling.
A friend of mine I hadn’t seen in a while was always free-spirited, rambunctious and irreverent. A lot of people thought she was a “bit much” but that was part of her charm. Things changed. She had two kids, both on the autism spectrum, and an ex who we now recognize is also on it but refuses to get tested. In search of free/cheap childcare, she turned to the local church. Next thing, she’s been sucked into it with their meetings and gatherings and such. Talking about god and Jesus and the bible all the time, to the point where her friends had to implement a rule where religion is never talked about by anyone, just to preserve the friendship. There really is no true altruism in religion, only an agenda, an angle to exploit. She recently left it though. The church said some stuff about how the family deserved it and that god made it happen to bring them closer to him. Clearly this was an attempt to foster further dependence upon the cult, but instead it brought her to her senses, she said WTF and told them to fuck off.
There really is nothing off limits to them, no depths that they won’t go to in order to recruit. Absolutely shameless. Don’t forget - these are the people who demonized gay people, that the evil, nasty gays want to groom your kids and “convert” them, because they’re sick and predatory. There’s a saying: accuse the other side of that which you are guilty. Nobody is born religious. It’s the religious who want to get you.
(Sorry, this question has been in my Inbox for quite a while.)
“Why don't they call for prayer in the trains, or prayer in the stock exchange? They want it in the schools. Why do you think they want it in the schools? Because they want a captive audience. They want an audience they can mold and can form. Well, they're not going to be allowed to have it.”
Atheists also shout “oh god, oh god” at other times. Look how well that works out for your recruitment drive.
Note that this constitutes a confession that religions are opportunistic and predatory, preying on people’s fears and vulnerability, rather than simply appealing to the demonstrable validity and truth of their claims.
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