Could you be more specific? That's still not specific enough. I really don't think you understand the problem.
By: Bill Flavell
Published: Jun 5, 2018
Across the globe and across time, humans have loved and worshipped thousands of gods. But, if one god was real and all the rest fake, we would know. Consider three possible benefits of believing in a god:
1) PRAYER Believers in fake gods would be constantly complaining their prayers are never answered whilst believers in a real god would be jubilant over their amazing success rate.
2) COMMUNION Believers in a fake god would bemoan the fact that they never feel the presence of their god whilst believers in a real god would talk to their god daily and be certain of it.
3) GUIDANCE Believers in a fake god would ask their god for advice yet still make many bad decisions whilst believers in a real god would find their god deftly guiding them through life’s obstacles.
It would be obvious which gods were real, and obvious that the others were not. But, here is the interesting thing, it is NOT obvious. Religious people all report these benefits whichever god they worship. It seems that all gods work equally well!
We have to conclude that, either there are thousands of real gods, or there are none. But since gods are so different, and are contradictory in many ways, it is impossible that all gods could be real. So we can rule out the option that all gods are real, and we are left with only one option–none are real.
The fact that all gods work equally well is clear evidence that they are all equally imaginary. The reported benefits of answered prayers, communion and guidance could be nothing more than imagination with a large dose of confirmation bias.
Is there any other reasonable conclusion?
“All religion is manmade. If one God made it up all by himself, then there would be no diversity in religion because all religious texts would have come from the same source.”
-- Reagan Y
Kinda obvious.
“Religion
The belief that an unseen, all-powerful entity made everything in the universe just for you and that your special, ancient, and often rewritten texts are the right ones and all those other religions are completely wrong.
Makes perfect sense.”
“There are 7.4 billion people in the world. If Christians are right 5.2 billion people will go to hell. If Muslims are right, 5.8 billion people will go to hell. If I am right, no one will go to hell.
So all good Christians & Muslims should hope that I am right, and they are wrong...”
-- Bill Flavell
"Do you not know that every religion in the world has declared every other religion a fraud? Yes, we all know it. That is the time all religions tell the truth - each of the other."
-- Robert G. Ingersoll, Complete Lectures of Colonel R. G. Ingersoll (1900)
By: Darren Boyle
Published: 19 Jan, 2021
This is the amazing lump of volcanic rock discovered in Brazil which looks like Sesame Street's Cookie Monster. The unusual rock was recovered from the Rio Grande dol sul region near Soledade in Brazil. The two parts of the rock combine to create a perfect egg shape. But when they are split in half, the deep blue quartz crystals bear an uncanny resemblance to the Cookie Monster. [Continued...]
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Dear Xians and Muslims, what further proof could you possibly need that Cookie Monster (CBUH) is the One True Messiah and Prophet?
Jesus appears vaguely in toast, YHWH appears in clouds if you squint, and Muhammad flew on a mutant nobody saw during a trip nobody witnessed.
Cookie Monster (CBUH) graces us with his portrait in the very rock, placed there before humans ever walked the Earth.
"I've never been able to understand 'faith' myself, nor to see how a just God could expect his creatures to pick the one true religion out of an infinitude of false ones - by faith alone. It strikes me as a sloppy way to run an organization, whether universe or a smaller one."
-- Robert A. Heinlein
Faith is like the kiddie ride at the shopping center. It might make you feel good, but you can’t go anywhere with it.
What do religious people use Pascal’s Wager all the time? Many times when I discuss with religious people they use this as a way to argue against atheism, and its really not a good argument for believing in a god at all because of how incredibly vague and nonspecific that it is!
To me, it seems to stem from a few things:
1. A belief that non-believers are just in denial. They're told by their little clubhouse such things as "god is etched on the hearts of everyone" as a way to avoid having to justify their beliefs, while attempting to shift the Burden of Proof. Or that non-believers are "just mad at god," the implication being we're just petulant and throwing a tantrum in resistance to (their) god's infinite authority. Somewhere, deep in your heart, you do believe.
2. Authoritarianism. Look, if you'd just comply with this, everything will be okay. What would it hurt to just do this one little prayer with us? And maybe something else, and maybe this other thing?
3. Fake It Til You Make It. While I've seen a few religious commentators resist this, it's a real thing among many religious communities. If your faith is faltering, keep going through the motions anyway, as you'll get back into the habit of believing again. This is self-indoctrination. It seems like they think non-believers can just convince themselves that invisible, divine creatures exist, and literal magic is really real, just by pretending so. It doesn't speak very highly of their own belief though - it's more of a habit than a conviction.
Because apparently god can be fooled by just pretending to believe. This only makes sense if god is just a figment of the believer's imagination; fooling yourself and fooling god are indistinguishable.
It is weird though, that it's somehow risky not to believe in an all-loving god. This dismantles “fear of god” as meaning “respect for god,” by the way, when they regard it as “safer” to, or “risky” or “dangerous” not to.
It would appear such a god prefers insincere brown-nosing to honest disbelief. Divine priorities, I guess, but not a god I could ever deem worthy of respecting.
Needless to say, Pascal’s Wager only works on those who already believe. Why this is a nonsensical argument is obvious to anyone outside of any group that presupposes a god exists -- and that it’s theirs.
There are an infinite number of things that haven't been proved to exist or not-exist. If we should believe in them just in case, then we'll never get anything else done. But it sure doesn't say much for their belief, that this is the best case they can make for it. It's not even actually for it, though, is it? It's more just a defence of why they haven't abandoned it yet.
Any argument that Homer Simpson, of all people, can dismantle is one they should really re-think using.
Have Odin, Quetzalcoatl or your favorite non-Abrahamic god at the ready. Feel free to invite them to a vampire-banishing ceremony, and to hang strings of garlic above their door. Or sell them anti-alien-rectal-probing underpants, a home-made ghost trap (that merely looks like a toaster), or general-purpose monster spray.
Just in case.
Because it's just that juvenile.
Religion is like having a classroom where the students have to show up every day but there's no teacher.
There are a bunch of books around and no one is even sure which one is the text book.Some students insist on one book; others argue just as hard for another.
Then suddenly, on the last day, the teacher appears and says he's been watching everybody the whole time.
He praises the ones who chose the right text book and sends them off to have cookies and milk.
And then he sets everyone else on fire.
They’ll tell you that you can’t possibly understand what they felt because you’re not part of their religion, not blessed by their deity. Then when you tell them that you can and you have, and we know how it biologically works, they’ll tell you that they know that what you experienced was definitely not the same thing.
And not even blink at how self-canceling and demented what they just said is.
“Which god do you believe in? I can’t possibly know. Do you believe in the god who wants you to play with snakes? The one who didn’t have a son? The one who wants you to pray to Mary? The one who wants you to pretend it’s the year 1800? The one who doesn’t want you to go to the hospital when you get sick? The one who wants you to go to church on Saturday? The one who lives on the planet Kolob? The one who gets angry when you dance? The one who is only going to save 144,000 people? The only time all ‘Christians’ believe in the same god is when an Atheist walks into the room.”
- Docktor Jim