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Religion is a Mental Illness

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I've recently been thinking about the logical inconsistencies about yhwh's nature, and I think it's easier to understand if you basically treat him like a eldritch god from Lovecraft's works. Specifically Azathoth with regards to power, and Nyarlathotep in regards to personality and pettiness.

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Okay. I'll have to take your word for it.

The crux of YHWH seems to be that he's a composite of many other gods, god traditions, myths, legends and other superstitions all collapsed down to a single character. Legends and tales involving different and competing gods or demigods have been reworked into monotheism, attributing all the contradictions, contentions and drama to a single individual.

Imagine if the personalities of the Simpsons family were all incorporated into a single person. That's YHWH.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” -- Richard Dawkins
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Do you think there's a specific philosophical meaning to the common anime/jrpg trope of fighting and killing God with the power of friendship, or am I reading too much into it?

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I don't know, most Asian cultures don't really embrace a singular "one true" god.

So the notion of a world with a monotheistic god who is in charge of everything probably seems tyrannical, and fodder for a "let's rise up against it" storyline.

From their perspective, a "god" or a god-like being is probably not too dissimilar from your average super-powered, überboss supervillain. And you're going to want some friends to help bring it down.

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Do you think that its monotheistic religions or the polytheistic religions that have been the most dangerous and harmful religions overall? Or is this a sort of “its too close to call” type of question?

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There's arguments to be made that Judaism, Xianity and Islam aren't truly monotheistic. (Even all of Hinduism’s various gods can ultimately be traced back to Brahman.) But we'll put that aside for a moment.

I think it's fairly clear that they have been the most dangerous and harmful religions overall, mostly due to their size and influence.

The really big danger and harm that they do is not unique to monotheism, because the really worst thing they're responsible for is the advocacy and ratification of "faith" as a way to know the world. That underpins everything appalling that religion has wreaked on the world.

What monotheism does tend to do is reduce the avenues for dissent. Among a polytheistic pantheon, there's room for the gods to disagree or have opposing functions - the goddess of peace vs the goddess of war, for example - whereas ostensibly monotheistic beliefs offer a single voice. Of course, the issue then becomes one of denomination, as well as interpretation, but everyone claims to be speaking on behalf of a single divinity, with the confidence of absolute certainty, thus granting themselves the ultimate authority to do anything at all.

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Is Christianity a monotheistic or a polytheistic religion? I know that its a sort of a tenant of Christianity that its monotheistic, but wouldn’t Satan count as a second god? Not even just technically, because I think that by all definitions that theologians have defined what a “god” in a religion is, Satan would absolutely count as one. And I haven’t seen any Christians so far that think of Satan and their god ALSO as one and the same like some holy spirit bullshit.

It's a good question and a good point.

I think Xians would insist that Satan is just an angel, like Gabriel, supernatural but not a god.

And yet, they don't act like it. We can't tell the difference between Satan's work or the work of god unless we check the bible. As Katie and Joe talked about on their podcast:

Katie: Mhm, and then there that thing where you can have an experience of God, but if it doesn’t align with the bible, then it’s probably like a demon, or like a someone, like, the Anti-Christ.
Joe: Yeah, that’s what we thought! Like, if you had some kind of supernatural experience where you thought that maybe you were experiencing God, or that he was trying to talk to you…
Katie: But if it was a little bit too wild…
Joe: If it didn’t perfectly line up with the bible, then we were taught, oh, that’s the Devil trying to trick you…
Katie: Throw it out.
Joe: … but if it does line up with the bible, then that is God talking to you.

Shouldn't god's work be more clear-cut? Why grant angels power that's indistinguishable from that of a god? For that matter, aren't we told that the angels are agents of god's power? That is, he works through them? Why continue to grant his power to Satan? Can he not sever the link or something? And why come up with this stupid system?

If the bible god is the only god, how can anything exist that it doesn't want to exist? Including Satan? If Satan exists, then it can only be because bible god wants him to exist or because bible god isn't the only god. Satan is a god, or there is a third party comparable to god who is Satan's benefactor.

Xians themselves act like it's a supernatural good vs evil, right vs wrong, god vs Satan world. This only works if Satan is at least functionally equivalent to a god. If god wants to eliminate evil, and is the only god, then evil would not exist.

Of course, even leaving Satan aside, Xianity inherits polytheism from Judaism. The Old Testament is full of declarations of the god of Israel being god of the gods, lord of the lords, executing judgments, and so on. Some of them could be construed as "the gods you think exist but don't," but very many of them are unambiguous.

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

The existence of multiple gods, inherited from Judaism's precursors, such as the Canaanite traditions, was uncontroversial. It evolved into worshiping Yahweh as the supreme god of the gods (monolatry), hence the language, and eventually discarding all the others entirely.

That, of course, is in the real world.

Meanwhile, within the story of the Old Testament, the people don't act like there's only one god anyway. They act like they live in a world where magic and the supernatural are taken for granted. Like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.

Moses goes up against the Pharaoh's sorcerers, who are channelling magic from their gods just as Moses is. And even after the divine execution of Egypt's firstborn, the parting of the Red Sea, and everything else, despite (supposedly) being first-hand witnesses to all of this, the Israelites don't act like this is the most amazing, wondrous thing they've ever encountered. They should be gobsmacked that everything they thought was true about the world is not, and they've just learned the indisputable truth. They don't. They're even like "we just witnessed the one and only god but let's worship this golden calf."

Consider also that the Israelite god was supposedly intimately involved in the affairs of man since the creation of the world. The existence of any other religion(s) therefore makes no sense. The existence of this god is a trivially known fact, as verifiable as the existence of the sun; people go to him, talk to him, ask for favors, and are given commands. At a minimum, everyone descended from Noah knows for certain that this god existed. And yet, they live in a universe where they can be just as certain and convinced that other gods exist. The bible requires that they do.

The plotting of the bible stories is just bizarre. They tell a story, make a point, and then unnecessarily go too far and undermine everything they just did.

  • The god of the bible tells Noah to build an Ark, collect animals, then destroys the world and all the good people on the Ark survive. Okay. Not sure how the animals fit on a small boat, or why all the others had to drown, but okay. Then they land, kill a bunch of animals and have a barbecue. Um....
  • Lot is the only righteous man in the town. While escaping, his wife is turned into a pillar of salt, but the family, being the most righteous people in the town, escape. There's some plot-holes here, but okay. The daughters get him drunk, rape him and have his grand/children. Um...
  • A man and his concubine arrive in town and are hosted by a local. The residents come out wanting to rape the man. Concubines, and feral townspeople, really. Okay... They shove the concubine outside, she's raped and murdered, and the next day they cut her into pieces and distributed them out throughout the land. Um...

But I digress a bit.

Islam, naturally inherits all this as well, but affirms it in its own ways.

Returning back to the topic of Satan, modern Islam denies the Satanic Verses incident entirely, but this is a recent position.

In the Satanic Verses incident, Muhammad was reciting a verse of the quran in his activities of proselytizing, and acknowledged in that verse the legitimacy of three Meccan goddesses, which was rather stunning, as it authorized them to embrace Islam while still worshiping their idols to these goddesses, rather than denying them and accepting only Allah as the one true god. Muhammad was later bothered by this, was visited by Gabriel who revoked the verses and told him he'd been manipulated by the Devil.

Which is to say, apparently the Devil is sufficiently powerful enough to hack the private divine chatroom, masquerade as Allah, and even Muhammad couldn't tell the difference, except on reflection after the fact.

The Abrahamic god never comes off looking particularly good or especially supreme in comparison to all the other magical creatures.

That it created.

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Are there any distinctive differences (or rather trends) between Western VS Eastern religions in how they were constructed/are practiced today?

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I don't have a huge amount of experience with Eastern religions, so this is really just my impression, rather than an informed comparative religion thesis.

In short, not really.

Islam is derived from Xianity, Xianity from Judaism, Judaism from earlier Canaanite and Mesopotamian religions.

Ditto the Eastern religions have taken from and been influenced by other Eastern religions. Concepts of karma, reincarnation, dharma, and "everything is one" all seem to be borrowed from each other across Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism, Shintoism, etc. While their adherents would disagree, there's not as much daylight in between their core concepts as they might like to think.

Abrahamism is somewhat unique in that it has consolidated all the various gods into a single deity who should be (but somehow is not) held responsible for everything, including all the randomness, inconsistency and unfairness in the world, where Eastern and the predecessors to Judaism, including Hellenism, had a whole pantheon of mercurial gods with their own domains and competing interests, priorities and relationships.

While the mythology of the polytheisms mostly plays out in some inaccessible godly realm, with the exception of the rebellion of Lucifer, Abrahamism plays out in the dusty, dirty, mortal human realm, where we can say that purported actions such as walking on water are idiotic and false.

Being set in our real world rather than Olympus or Takamagahara, and fleshing out the character list with humans - since heaven contains only the Abrahamic god and his remaining angel-slaves - Abrahamists have forgotten that their characters and mythology are fictional. They've confused characters such as Jesus, Moses, Abraham, etc, for literal historical figures. Whereas something like Hinduism is practically its own comic book superhero universe, and I don't think anyone is actually arguing about Historical Ganesh or Historical Inari Ōkami.

Across both Eastern and Western domains you've got a ton of magical thinking about how the world works, a lot of fixation on death and trying to imagine there's something after or beyond it in order to alleviate that fear, and a lot of superstition and unhealthy attitudes around virginity, sexual purity (for both men and women), and menstruation. In more modern times, Hinduism seems to have learned at the feet of Islam, and across the board, all these faith traditions are trying to pretend that their religion was right the whole time.

e.g. Muslims trying to pretend that the quran doesn't say that the Earth is flat and instead acting like "spread out" is a description of the oblate spheroid shape of the Earth; this gets worse when they try to insist it means "spread out" like an "ostrich egg".... which is a prolate spheroid, not oblate.

e.g. Hindus trying to pretend that the poorly-defined, unverifiable and unmeasurable concept of karma is basically the same thing as Newton's well-defined, detectable and measurable Third Law of Motion, or that their vague and poetic "everything is one" is the same as quantum mechanics.

As religiosity across the whole population appears to be dropping, average religiosity among individuals who are left naturally rises, and there's a certain desperation at trying to remain relevant, especially as COVID has shown the futility of these beliefs in gaining protection or relief from it.

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Why have most polytheistic religions either died out so to speak and/or become very unpopular when compared to more monotheistic religions, over the centuries of human history? Does it have something to do with how that a religion only having a single, centralized, monotheistic god would make controlling peoples and their actions an easier thing to do than a religion having multiple, polytheistic gods, or something along those lines?

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I would say so. In a polytheistic belief system, you'd have people with favorites, there'd be politics and agendas and disagreements between the gods, as well as their naturally conflicting natures. Gods of mischief and gods of justice. Gods of war and gods of peace. Look at the Hellenic pantheon (Greek gods) for the godly drama that unfolded that had little if anything to do with the human population, other than as pawns in their games. It would actually make a good CW show.

As far as surviving polytheistic religions, obviously Hinduism is one exception in this, but then they also claim that the central figures - Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva, the Trimurti - are basically "one and the same," and represent the Preserver, Creator and Destroyer aspects of the One. Like the Xtian Trinity being separate but the same.

But I also think humans are sufficiently curious that we seek unified, coherent answers. Newtonian physics breaks down at certain scales, and while we can work with this for now, there's a desire for a more consistent, unified explanation. We're able to recognize that what we've figured out may be a subset of a more all-encompassing explanation, and human curiosity seeks to uncover the truth. So I think we also see this in gods and religions. How and why and when does Aethon, the Greek god of famine win out against Demeter, the Greek goddess of farming? How can humans count on Demeter, when it's not really up to her?

In principle, one would expect a monotheistic religion to be more unified and provide more clarity. There's a single consistent message. Except it doesn't turn out that way. Partly because how these gods are manufactured is so fractured that the belief system itself fractures. Catholicism, Protestantism, and all the thousands of sects that can’t figure out what this single god wants.

But also, not only are they not more unified or consistent, but they're also not really monotheistic. In Xtianity, you have the dual gods of Yahweh and Satan, the latter functioning at least as a demigod. Xtians are concerned about "Satan worshippers," who are, necessarily, Xtians because they must believe in both entities. They've just chosen to worship the other one.

More troublingly though, is that, at least in Abrahamic monotheism, believers themselves describe different gods. Perfect and needing worship, just and merciful, known and unknowable, omniscient with a plan and granting free will -- these would have to be different gods, if they existed, because a single god with these properties would refute itself out of existence.

It isn't too hard to figure out why any of this is the case: the universe is inconsistent. Primitive superstitions about divine intent don't actually explain anything. Bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. So a god that explains everything is an incoherent god.

If you agree that someone got the punishment they deserve, then god is just. If you agree that someone deserved to be let off, then god is merciful. What if you don't agree? It was Satan! So, Satan is powerful enough to stop god's justness or mercy? Well, god works in mysterious ways! in this case, the believer is agreeing with the non-believer that gods don't provide explanatory power. A "mysterious ways" god we can't know can't be used to explain anything.

What we're possibly seeing with the decline of religion is that we've come to the end of how far we can consolidate our gods - we're now heading towards zero.

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