There’s so much here to debunk. So much ignorance, so many empty slogans, so many outright lies. This should be fun.
so you’ll forgive me if i take absolutely nothing said into meaning.
Translation: “I will construct a strawman and attack that.”
i personally do not believe in any god, as you seem to.
LOL. The wheels fell off your go-cart right there at the starting line.
what exactly are you doing to help? how are you any better?
I’m talking about the actual problem. You’re making excuses for it. I’m raising awareness. You’re trying to do that whole “pay no attention to what’s behind the curtain” thing that Dorothy found suspicious.
Do you know why I do what I do? Why I say what I say? Because when I started saying it, I started getting women messaging me, both ex-Muslim and Muslim Reformists thanking me, telling me that what I’m saying is accurate. That they’d want to say it, but they can’t.
I don’t give a shit how much you call me an Islamophobe or anything vacuous and empty like that. I don’t care. I do this for them. Because I can weather the scolding of a harridan and laugh it off.
you’re making this more about sex than your supposed issue with islam.
I’m explicitly not “making it about sex.” That’s the entire point of what I said in my post: stop blaming men, and start blaming the doctrine and rules of Islam.
You clearly didn’t even read what I wrote.
while what yasmine mohammed suffers is more common than it should be, there are multiple muslim activists that not only acknowledge the same suffering, but work for change where it can be wrought peacefully.
And that is done by talking about it, and pointing out where the problem lies: Islam. Not by making shitty excuses.
You’re dishonestly holding up Muslim people to defend Islam the belief system, religion and ideology. You’re dishonestly saying, “well, these Muslims over here are okay, so Islam is fine.”
This is a classic bait and switch. I don’t give a shit how many good, happy Muslims you trot out, what I care about is Islam itself. What it says to do. The fact the good, happy ones exist is in spite of the ideology of Islam, not because of it. Because they have secular values, because they’ve chosen to ignore verse after verse of hate and violence in the Islamic doctrine. As they should. Good for them. But that doesn’t mean it’s not there.
And it’s this failure, ignorance and dishonesty on your part which makes the whole thing worse. It means you’re deflecting legitimate criticism of Islam and making it so nobody can say anything because “these Muslims over here.”
if you were any less of an ignorant asshole, you would acknowledge the issue of the hijab being a tool of oppression is a highly westernized concept.
This statement is truly psychopathic. If it’s oppressive to western women, why wouldn’t it be oppressive to non-western women?
You act like Muslims, and Muslim women in particular, are some alien species, who don’t have the same feelings, the same desires, the same ambitions, the same hopes you do. You’re so content to look after your own interests, but when it comes to Muslim women, it’s “they like that. They like to dress in body bags and spend their lives looking like a Dementor.”
No other statement you’ve uttered is so “othering” as this. This is truly repulsive.
I can barely believe you’re trying to pull this shit.
Thanks for showing who you really are, throwing women under the bus in order to protect the delusion that hijab is not an oppressive, obligatory religious imposition. Good to know you care about religiously prescribed clothing more than people.
Here is what Islam says about hijab:
All cited from the quran and hadith. And there are dozens of tafsir - expert, scholarly analysis - about the obligation to hijab. Here’s a taste:
Abdullah narrated that The Prophet said:
“The woman is Awrah, so when she goes out, the Shaitan seeks to tempt her.”
Awrah is intimate parts, like genitals or even the thigh. In the case of the above hadith, the entire woman, in public, in front of non-family, is regarded as awrah.
Which is why it’s extremely disturbing when you realize that pre-pubescent children must hijab because they are seen to be sexualized.
“A girl she should start hijab [wearing of headscarf] from the age of seven.
By the age of ten it becomes an obligation on us to force her to wear hijab.
And if she doesn’t wear hijab we hit her.”
– Dr. Muhammad al-Jibaly, Former President of the Qur'an and Sunnah Society of North America
Turns out schools in 24 provinces in Indonesia rule their female students including non Muslim ones to wear hijab, 62 regulations of compulsory hijab. Non Muslim students who reject wearing hijab would be bullied,
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This yezidi sex slave was freed from the violence of ISIS in #Baghouz Syria. She burned the Hijab after her libration in Isis captivity . #YezidiGenocide #FreeFromHijab
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And this is just in the last couple of days. Did you really think we’re that stupid?
oppression is not rooted in religion but a systematic cycle.
Yes, the reproductive cycle. Muslim couples produce children who are indoctrinated into Islam, and girls who are put into hijab, never being given a choice.
it all comes down to a choice.
Correct, and few girls in devout religious households get to have. Because Islam dictates that Allah requires it, and Muhammad revealed it, and thus to disobey is blasphemous.
That “choice” - or lack of - is the problem.
“My daughters were put in hijab at age 8. At eight years old, they were put in hijab.
They love islam. They love Allah. They want to please him. They want to please their dad.
They have been told since almost infancy, since birth, that it’s not a choice, you have to do it, and you have to do it so that god will love you, that your parents will love you, and that your entire community will love you.
Nobody will love you, including god, or respect you if you don’t.
They were put into it at eight years old. At sixteen, they will swear to you that it’s their choice.
What choice did they ever actually have? They have been told, from birth, that it was the only acceptable choice, the only respectable choice, and that there would be consequences if they do not make that choice.
So, I mean, they love it, but what else do they know?”
–- Stephanie Terrier, Ex-Muslim Mother.
Threat of attack with acid in the name of “loose hijab” seems pretty oppressive.
Cites multiple incidents over the last few years of women being attacked with acid, justified Islamically due to “bad hijab” as a morality issue. Here’s a taste.
Published: Oct 4, 2020:
The two Friday Prayer Imams’ calls to “make the surroundings unsafe” for women who do not observe the hijab have triggered adverse reactions on Iranian social media.
Isfahan’s Friday Prayer Imam, Yousef Tabatabei-Nejad, who has a long history of calling for a crackdown on women presumed to be “bad-hijab,” once again urged Iran’s security and intelligence agents to make the “surroundings unsafe” for citizens with “loose hijab.”
Tabatabaei-Nejad, a black-turbaned cleric officially recognized as Ayatollah, is the Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s representative in Isfahan, central Iran. He is also a member of the influential Assembly of Experts.
At a meeting with the intelligence and military officials on Friday, October 2, the 76-year-old Ayatollah regretfully said that some women deliberately “remove their hijab,” and the law enforcement forces should have “more authority” to deal with them.
Tabatabai-Nejad also demanded the establishment of “special branches” in courts to exclusively investigate “moral abnormality cases.”
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Echoing his colleague in Isfahan, Abolqassem Yaqoubi (Abolghasem Yaghoubi), the representative of Khamenei in the city of Bojnourd, also said in his last Friday prayer sermons, “Bad hijab is a dangerous virus, and the NAJA (Persian acronym for the Police Force) should make the life of bad hijab unsafe.”
it is also stated there is no compulsion in religion.
It’s always fascinating to watch someone rattle off bland talking points and slogans with literally no knowledge of what they speak. You don’t have the foggiest idea whether that’s correct (it’s not), you’re just parroting what the DEI trainer told you, aren’t you?
“No compulsion in religion” is a popular canard among moderate Muslims and Islamist apologists. This is the ayah they quote:
There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
I cite the quran, hadith and the most reputable Islamic scholars, who confirm this is false. In short, the verse has been abrogated (superseded) and in any event, it applied to “no compulsion” to raise a child Jewish. It has nothing to do with not being obligated to accept Islam, nor anything to do with leaving Islam.
The people regurgitating this also never acknowledge that we can simply accept this “no compulsion” verse at face value, and still not change position. Because Islam makes it clear that even though you can’t convert anyone forcibly, you can still kill them. You can offer them Islam, and if they don’t convert, that is their choice, and you’re not just justified in killing them, you’re commanded to by Allah.
Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate
The problem is that the “no compulsion in religion” thing is a lie told by the dishonest or parroted by the ignorant.
no law or verse states religion is a compulsion to be obeyed;
Sure it does, as I just demonstrated. Go read it.
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
Narrated `Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Narrated AbuBakr:
AbuBarzah said: I was with AbuBakr. He became angry at a man and uttered hot words. I said: Do you permit me, Caliph of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), that I cut off his neck? These words of mine removed his anger; he stood and went in. He then sent for me and said: What did you say just now? I said: (I had said:) Permit me that I cut off his neck. He said: Would you do it if I ordered you? I said: Yes. He said: No, I swear by Allah, this is not allowed for any man after Muhammad (ﷺ). Abu Dawud said: This is Yazid's version. Ahmad bin Hanbal said: That is, Abu Bakr has no powers to slay a man except for three reasons which the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) had mentioned: disbelief after belief, fornication after marriage, or killing a man without (murdering) any man by him. The Prophet (ﷺ) had powers to kill.
It’s amazing that people are still trying to pull this crap.
Is it that you’re a liar, or stupid?
and harm brought to anyone is a sin to be judged.
Harm brought to a Muslim. Non-Muslims are not granted this consideration.
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
In this sense, “wage war” is anyone who resists submission to Allah and Islam. Anyone who says “no, thank you” to becoming a Muslim is by definition “waging war.” Can I prove that? Easy.
Allah said next,
(The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.) `Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.
Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
“Pagans” in this sense, is anyone not a Person of the Book.
So, nope again. You’re not doing too well at this. You’re just echoing Islamist talking points, sweetie. And lying to the world.
you’ve made this about the innocence of the male sex, you’ve seemed to take pride in how men are as terrible as the women, and you’ve tried to blame a religion.
The hijab is a religious garment. With this in mind, this entire little sentence is bizarre. It can only be religious.
And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.
Men are obligated to enforce it, by decree of Allah.
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
This is a decree from Allah. It’s not a decree from Head Office of Men. The hijab and the enforcement, and it is an enforced obligation, is explicitly religious. It’s not “cultural” - since Egyptians, Iranians and Indonesians didn’t hijab prior to being colonized by Islam - and it’s not men just being men.
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Narrated Aisha:
Sauda (the wife of the Prophet) went out to answer the call of nature after it was made obligatory (for all the Muslims ladies) to observe the veil. She was a fat huge lady, and everybody who knew her before could recognize her. So `Umar bin Al-Khattab saw her and said, "O Sauda! By Allah, you cannot hide yourself from us, so think of a way by which you should not be recognized on going out. Sauda returned while Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was in my house taking his supper and a bone covered with meat was in his hand. She entered and said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I went out to answer the call of nature and `Umar said to me so-and-so." Then Allah inspired him (the Prophet) and when the state of inspiration was over and the bone was still in his hand as he had not put in down, he said (to Sauda), "You (women) have been allowed to go out for your needs."
So, thus far you’ve really just been talking around in circles, with literally no idea what you’re on about. Or even what I’m on about.
but islam is not an inherently harmful religion.
Fighting is an obligation upon Muslims. See here:
Again, all cited from the quran, hadith and the tafsirs. And includes a video of a well-known Islamic scholar telling Muslims that they will enslave non-Muslims, as is their call from Allah.
Islam is inherently anti-Semitic.
The entire Islamic mythology rests on the caims that Allah previously revealed the quran to the Israelites, but they corrupted it. When in reality, we know that it’s the other way around - Muhammad took the Jewish traditions, corrupted them (poorly, and in a way that demonstrates how fabricated they are) and turned it into Islam. Here’s a sample:
And for the evildoing of those of Jewry, We have forbidden them certain good things that were permitted to them, and for their barring from God’s way many,
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
And again, yes, there are Muslims who don’t want to do this. But it’s not because it’s not Islamic. Because it is. It’s because they have secular morals, and don’t pay as much attention to the religion.
And then we get to the pedophilia. The Islamic prophet married a 6 year old girl, “consummated” it at 9, and this is used to justify not banning child marriage. Rather than embed another long post, go review it here:
Again, all cited from the quran, hadith and even cites a Yemeni sheik on why they cannot and will not ban child marriage. Here’s a taste:
Narrated ‘Urwa:
The Prophet (ﷺ) wrote the (marriage contract) with `Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported:
Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
And yet again, people who don’t want to do this are good people. But they’re good in spite of Islam, not because of it.
you can fuck off with your pronouncements of banishing religion as a solution to your hurt pride
Not my hurt pride. Human cost. Women imprisoned for removing hijab, which you don’t give a shit about. Men forcibly transitioned into women because they’re gay and it’s more acceptable to be a trans straight woman than a gay man, which you don’t give a shit about.
Gay people being thrown off roofs, which you don’t give a shit about.
Because your priority is protecting Islam.
It’s cute you think this is about “hurt pride” and not about the worldwide damage religions, and particularly Islam, have done throughout history and continue to do today.
But, you know, your cute squeaking about not making any feelings ouchies sure seems important too. /s
the problem is people like you. the problem is people who think it’s okay to hit and harm their families. the problem is hatred and bigotry and intent in violence.
You don’t seem to be able to tell the difference between people and beliefs. You should fix that, because that’s your mistake. I’m criticizing the belief, and I have every right - and, as I see it, obligation - to do so.
It’s pathological for you to misrepresent criticism of the latter for hatred of the former. You are a dishonest person.
the problem hasn’t ever been islam.
Sure it has. ISIS and the Taliban even say they are continuing Muhamamd’s work. And I just quoted page after page of Islamic doctrine that shows that your claim is explicitly false.
“The Sharia does not allow politics or political parties. That is why we give no salaries to officials or soldiers, just food, clothes, shoes and weapons. We want to live a life like the Prophet lived 1,400 years ago and jihad is our right. We want to recreate the time of the Prophet and we are only carrying out what the Afghan people have wanted for the past 14 years,’ he added. Another Taliban leader put it even more succinctly. ‘We can love our enemies but only after we have defeated them.”
-- Ahmed Rashid, “Taliban: The Power of Militant Islam in Afghanistan and Beyond”
Even the people in the video will cite surah and ayah of why they should be doing what they’re doing. They know it’s Allah’s commandment. And yet, somehow you’re still trying to gaslight us that the common thread in Islamically-motivated and justified violence is not Islam.
That’s just bizarre. You think we can’t figure out what the common thread between Jihadists, Islamists, fundamentalists and the lunatics who cut off people’s heads for drawing Muhammad is? They know what it is. They even tell us what it is. Do... do you not know what it is, or are you just pretending?
And again, because you’re not getting it, people are not beliefs. The people who don’t do what the quran and the hadith say are the good Muslims. They’re the ones who don’t take it seriously.
Sweetie, it’s okay, you shot off your mouth before you had any idea what you were talking about. Your username sure is apt, isn’t it?
You’re caught in the thrall of Islamophobia-phobia. The mortal dread that people might call you an Islamophobe for not being a ra-ra-ra, blind cheerleader of Islam and an enabler and apologist for radical Islam. Without knowing anything about it.
It’s so weird to see western feminists acting as apologists for Islam, and making excuses for actual rape culture. Let’s go back and re-read surah 33.59 for a moment:
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
What this is literally saying is that women should veil themselves to avoid being abused (in this sense, it means rape). Unveiled women are fair game. So, if you’re raped, it’s your fault.
Intersectionality sure is a fun-house mirror. Feminists excusing rape culture and ignoring the plight of women as a virtue.
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
Once Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) of `Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."
It’s okay. There’s time to do better. You can do and be better than this collection of empty platitudes you currently are that actively works to harm both women and men, because you’re more interested in protecting an idea (Islam) from scrutiny than having the courage to withstand the empty accusation of “Islamophobia” and say where Islamic violence comes from: Islam.
You can actually help people by having the courage to learn and describe Islam accurately, so that other people can know what the problem is: the problem with Islam is Islam.
so shut the fuck up about how hateful a religion you know so little about is. stop thinking yourself worldly and intelligent and revolutionist.
Islam itself says that everything you said is overtly false. You couldn’t cite anything substantive to back up any of your claims. And we both know why, but they’re different reasons: you don’t know what you’re blathering about, and I know you can’t, since it doesn’t exist and says the opposite of what you think.
I do want to thank you, though. Literally nothing you said is backed up by the quran, hadith or tafsirs. And you probably don’t know what some of those are, and even more likely don’t know the difference.
You shot off your ignorant mouth so thoroughly, attracted attention to my blog, and given me the best opportunity and audience to demonstrate how immoral Islam is, and how dishonest people like you are, and how readily you are to throw people under the bus in order to protect primitive, barbaric ideas.
And all I need to do is quote Islam.