"What a deliciously evil God! Mass murders, the endorsing of slavery. I"d say, you wn't find that in moral books like Humpy Dumpty, or Three Little Pigs."
"Moses supposedly freed the Jews from slavery, then gave them strict instructions on how to be brutal slave owners themselves."
When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he will serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he will go free without any payment.
If he came in single, he will leave single. If he came in married, then his wife will leave with him.
If his master gave him a wife and she bore him sons or daughters, the wife and her children will belong to her master. He will leave single.
However, if the slave clearly states, “I love my master, my wife, and my children, and I don’t want to go free,”
then his master will bring him before God. He will bring him to the door or the doorpost. There his master will pierce his ear with a pointed tool, and he will serve him as his slave for life.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shouldn’t be set free in the same way as male slaves are set free.
When a slave owner hits a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner should be punished.
But if the slave gets up after a day or two, the slave owner shouldn’t be punished because the slave is the owner’s property.
Regarding male or female slaves that you are allowed to have: You can buy a male or a female slave from the nations that are around you.
You can also buy them from the foreign guests who live with you and from their extended families that are with you, who were born in your land. These can belong to you as property.
You can pass them on to your children as inheritance that they can own as permanent property. You can make these people work as slaves, but you must not rule harshly over your own people, the Israelites.
And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result,
but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull is to be stoned to death.
The objective morality of an eternal being.
"Is it too modern to notice that there is nothing [in the ten commandments] about the protection of children from cruelty, nothing about rape, nothing about slavery, and nothing about genocide? Or is it too exactingly 'in context' to notice that some of these very offenses are about to be positively recommended?"
-- Christopher Hitchens
The temporal morality of an eternal being.
It means you worship a god of your own fabrication.
If he agreed with any of those changes, we would already have a Newer Testament. We can reasonably conclude that he does not agree, does not care, or does not exist.
Your god is a bad friend.
Your god is beneath humans.
God of Sociopathic Narcissism.
“Also, he will set me on fire if I don’t.”
“Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.” ~ 1 John 4:8
“Many of us grow up doubting the love of God because of the relationships we have with others. Broken relationships, hurt from others, or even our own bad choices and cause us to doubt why God would choose to love us. Sometimes well-meaning churches even misguide us into thinking that we need to earn God’s love by behaving or acting “good enough”. God demonstrated the greatest act of love when Jesus Christ died on the cross for us. We no longer have to work toward being love, it is given freely for all.” ~ ibelieve.com
All I have to say personally is that I know a lot of people who don’t believe in God. They haven’t been set on fire yet, so I don’t know what God you see. The God I know sent his only son to die for me, an action I cannot repay. I pray you find God’s love, it’s really amazing when you do find it.
Anyone else want to add? What examples have you of God’s love? Let’s turn this post around, shall we?
~ Elisabeth
Also, I think you just provided a really good argument against religion. Which is that every single person who wants to convince you of a magical, intangible, undetectable, fantastical, nonsensical, ridiculous wizard in the sky - who, like an unstable, deranged significant-other, is the only entity in all of existence who will ever truly love you - has a personal agenda that is all about them.
Including you. As you well demonstrated. And your agenda is no more legitimate than those you decry. And you have no more substantiation, no more grounds for proclaiming what your imaginary ghost wants than they do. They are exactly equivalent.
“Do. Or do not. There is no try.”, “Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger…anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.” - Yoda
“My fellow fish monsters, far be it for me to question your stupid civilization or its dumb customs, but is squeezing each other's brains out with a giant nutcracker really going to solve anything?” - Fry
I can quote stories too. Good ones. With valid and profound ideas.
So, all you have to do now is prove your imaginary sky monster exists at all, as anything more than just the hazy scribblings in a book of inconsistent tales and fables written by anonymous people who weren’t there. Along with all the other storybook characters, for whom no extant physical evidence exists. Not even that this “Jebus” person existed or died on the torture device you worship and wear around your neck, as a grotesque symbol of death and the destruction of the world you’re so looking forward to. You know, any more than Ra, Odin, Zeus, Chang’e, Kahless and Quetzalcoatl - among the thousands of gods you don’t believe in - exist.
Because your quotes and my quotes share exactly equal footing. And if you can claim to know what it wants, then you can substantiate your claim by explaining your mechanism so that we can test, examine and evaluate it. Aka evidence.
If you can’t, then you’re conceding none of the above matters. It’s obfuscating blah, based on “faith” - an unfalsifiable delusion that does not bring truth or fact. We know this because every religious person has “faith” - faith in their god-claim and faith that you’re wrong. And there is literally nothing, no despicable act, no horrific thought, no grotesque deed, that cannot be justified by faith alone. I mean, it is, afterall, the justification for all the religious violence that plagues the world.
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” - Steven Weinberg
If there is no evidence, then you’re admitting your belief is unreasonable and unjustifiable. Yet you believe not just despite any evidence or reason to, but in spite of evidence to the contrary. You believe because you want to. You ignore the facts of the world around you - “faith,” based on wilful, venerated ignorance, exactly as the meme suggests, despite your protestations to the contrary.
By denying, decrying and refusing evidence, you literally prove the validity of the meme. You embody it entirely.
And thus there is also literally no difference between your “faith” and someone worshipping the invisible purple dragon, Zeus or the goblins in their shoes.
They haven’t been set on fire yet, so I don’t know what God you see.
No, that’s just the threat and blackmail of what awaits people who see no reason to think your silly superstition is real. Basically, you can’t prove your claim until we’re both dead.
“Whoever does not live does not know Flying Spaghetti Monster, because Flying Spaghetti Monster is living.” ~ Cannelloni 10:1.
Therefore, if you live, then you know the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You’re just in denial. FSM trumps your god. FSM is not just love, but life itself. We only live through FSM. Just have faith.
Here are my favorite examples of “god’s love”:
Atheists, what are your favorite examples of “god’s love”? Maybe Jephthah and how the omniscient deity gleefully tricked him into killing his own daughter? Maybe when “god” describes the right way to conduct slavery, rather than abolishing it as he did eating lobster. Maybe the bit where “god” says that a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night should be killed. Or when an anonymous dude was found picking up sticks, so “god” said to kill him. Or when “god” kills 42 children by sending two (female) bears to rip them to shreds because a baldy’s feelings got hurt and so summoned him for retribution, which “god” happily provided? Maybe when “god” brainwashed a pharaoh into a magical game of “anything you can do, I can do better” and then killed thousands of children as part of the game?
Maybe where “god” brags about creating evil, then blames humans for its propagation and his own refusal to kill the imaginary devil? Or, when he torments two child-like people for not having the knowledge - that he denied them - to know right from wrong? Maybe when this incompetent buffoon's plan to fix his mistakes (kill everyone with a flood - for which no evidence exists) fails, so he decides to torture himself to himself to placate himself for his own errors and forgive humanity for being what he made them in the first place... and then expect people to be grateful for it.
What about his invaluable contributions to football games, the acquisition of parking spots and the recovery of car keys... at the cost of 22,000 children’s lives each day? What about inventing malaria, smallpox and the Black Plague? Or just his long string of unwanted abortions throughout history, the single greatest abortion practitioner ever recorded? There’s so many good ones. I don’t think I could pick.
- http://bibviz.com
- https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6120373/Top-10-worst-Bible-passages.html
- https://americanhumanist.org/what-is-humanism/reasons-humanists-reject-bible/
- https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-14-Most-Abominable-Bible-Verses-20121224
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6120373/Top-10-worst-Bible-passages.html
- http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
Thank goodness this despicable creature is just a fairytale myth, with no evidence it exists or even manifests in this world, or humanity would have to rise up an army to destroy it.
Let’s not let Xtians dishonestly hijack a post just because they don’t like what’s in it, regardless of how accurate it is, literally forcing themselves onto others, as the proselytizers do. Becoming exactly the kind of Xtian they claim not to be.
This “god” creature is an immoral genocidal, hypocritical, filicidal monster. The fact you worship it calls into question either your own judgement, or your own knowledge about your horrible, horrible superstitions.
Thank goodness it’s just a grotesque story, your sky villain cannot be found anywhere outside of its own storybook, and we understand the universe around us much better than these bronze-age myths describe. We know, for example, that a perfect god who needs to be worshipped cannot exist, by definition. An omniscient god who bestows free will cannot exist, by definition. An all-loving god who will punish you for eternity in a fiery pit for temporal slights cannot exist, by definition. These are self-refuting, self-canceling attributes.
Since it is statistically more likely than not that you have never read the bible all the way through, I definitely recommend that you do so. Fastest way to become an atheist I can think of.