Daisy: There's a big conversation in society about allowing trans women into women's prisons. But you pointed out that the rates of sexual assault by other female inmates, is even higher than male on male sexual assaults in male prisons.
George: Well, that's a great example of the reality of data going against the popular narrative of violence. So yes, there's a lot of conversation about people like, Isla Bryson wanting to go into women's prisons. Although I understand, that is outrageous, and that has exposed sort of ideological blind spots in the political system, it is still only a tiny, tiny portion of the problem.
If you were interested in safeguarding women's prisons, you need to be talking about the entire population of that prison. And it's frustrating how in prison we just throw people in. We just throw people with addiction problems and mental health problems; you have traumatized people and predatory people, including women. Like, often we mix actual gangs together in prison, who are extremely violent, and we say nothing.
And you're absolutely right that there were higher rates of sexual assault in women's prisons between women, than there are in male prisons between men, and not even by a small amount, about 2 or 3 times more.
I just find the conversation around people like Isla Bryson, to be a little bit disingenuous, because it doesn't seem to be about prisoner safeguarding. And if it was, those people would've been talking about it a lot earlier, and a lot more broadly.
It should be said that in absolute numbers, the amount of sexual assault in men's prisons is significantly higher. You're talking about 900,000 cases just in America alone, and if you actually factor that in to all rape cases in America, men are actually the number one victim of rape, if you include prison rape. So, I'm talking about as a percentage of the population it's [female inmate assault] higher, but in absolute numbers it's higher, higher for men.
Daisy: George, you've also pointed out that, that boys are more likely to be victims of modern slavery, and sextortion. Can you tell us a bit about that?
George: So, two separate, two separate issues there.
Modern slavery, there's a push in the UK, for example, to expand the definition of modern slavery to include people that are criminally exploited, such as through gangs. Overwhelmingly, it's about 90% men, and young boys especially, that are brought into gangs and exploited, and in that widened view of modern slavery, men and especially young boys are the number one victim of modern slavery in the UK today.
Sextortion is a new and emerging problem of which boys are the primary target, and that's where boys are often targeted on social media, by both men and women, pretending to be women. It's not actually women doing it necessarily. And they're basically encouraged to send nude photos of themselves. And then those photos are then used to blackmail that boy, into sending money over.
And it's led to suicides, like dozens of suicides in America last year. And no one seems to be talking about it. Parents aren't safeguarding their boys, and if you get one thing from this interview, please talk to your boys, if you have a boy, about not sending certain photos to strangers online.
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Make no mistake, Adam Graham (aka "Isla Bryson") is a man and does not belong in a women's prison. Lock him up in a "trans" ward in the men's prison, if need be. This would also check his commitment to the whole "trans" bit.
But if that's the end of your concern, as it is for ideologues like Helen Joyce and JK Rowling, then you actually don't care about women's wellbeing at all, you just hate men.
This is what the data show:
- Rape of women and "made to penetrate" (i.e. male rape) occur at similar rates in the general population. (In some years, the CDC recorded significantly more male rape - "made to penetrate" - than female rape, although this was hidden by categorization.)
- Sexual coercion is comparable for both men and women, but somewhat higher for women. Unwanted sexual contact is similar for both men and women, but slightly higher for men.
- Sexual victimization of female inmates occurs at a higher rate by other female inmates than it does by men in the general population.
- The rate of sexual victimization by other female inmates is higher, per capita, than male on male sexual victimization by inmates.
- Due to differences of incarceration rates, in absolute numbers, men comprise far and away the majority of rape victims. And it's not even close.
- For females in juvenile detention, female-on-female inmate sexual violence is the most common dynamic. For males, female guard on male juvenile is the most common sexual violence dynamic; 96% of guard-on-male juvenile inmate sexual assault is committed by female guards.
[ Source: https://doi.org/10.2105/AJPH.2014.301946 ]
[ Source: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED508530.pdf ]
Nobody talks about any of this. We're supposed to pretend it isn't happening.
When people claim to be advocates for fighting sexual victimization, the highlighted (boxed) bits are the only ones they actually care about. All the rest of it is just ideologically inconvenient.
It is interesting, though, that the number of "trans" prisoners doesn't seem to exceed the number of suicides from sextortion. Yet one of these topics toppled Scotland's highest minister, while the other still requires explaining what the term even means.