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Does the Quran support pedophilia? I recently read in an article that it didn’t and that this was a myth that was caused by a mistranslation of the texts, but the fact that the article in question didn’t itself provide the supposed true translations from the Quran raised some red flags for me.
I've found you have to be careful in arguments like this, as they may be playing word games. Which is, that you're not aware of the ahadith, the testimonies of the life of Muhammad and his words, actions, sayings and authorizations, which are just as important to Islamic belief as the quran itself.
But whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and exceeds their limits will be cast into Hell, to stay there forever. And they will suffer a humiliating punishment.
Whoever obeys the Messenger has truly obeyed Allah. But whoever turns away, then ˹know that˺ We have not sent you ˹O Prophet˺ as a keeper over them.
That is, Muhammad carries Allah's authority. His word is on par with that of god himself.
The rules for salat (prayer) and the majority of Sharia originate from the hadith, not the quran. If "it's not in the quran!" is their measure, then they need to rethink their entire faith.
Not to presume that they're trying to pull this, but when they are, it's a manipulation. To challenge you to go scouring the quran for doctrine, and when it's actually over here in the hadith, and then they can say that it's not a thing. Of course, if you do point out the hadith, it will be claimed it's an weak or unreliable hadith. Which is why you always quote from the Bukhari or Muslim collections, as they're regarded as sahih (authentic).
Returning to your actual question though, the quran gives the following rules for divorce, and the waiting period before a woman can remarry.
O Prophet! ˹Instruct the believers:˺ When you ˹intend to˺ divorce women, then divorce them with concern for their waiting period, and count it accurately. [..]
As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.
This is the analysis (tafsir) by Islamic scholars from the Islamic Foundation UK:
They may not have menstruated as yet either because of young age, or delayed menstrual discharge as it happens in the case of some women, or because of no discharge at all throughout life which, though rare, may also be the case. In any case, the waiting-period of such a woman is the same as of the woman, who has stopped menstruation. That is three months from the time divorce was pronounced.
Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Quran the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Surah Al-Ahzab, Ayat 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Quran has held as permissible.
The girl who is divorced in the state when she has not yet menstruated and then she starts having the menses during the waiting-period, will reckon her waiting-period from the same menstruation and her waiting-period will be reckoned just like the woman who menstruates regularly.
Do not miss the bit where it says “there is no waiting period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage.” For there to be a waiting period for a girl who is too young to menstruate, the marriage must have been... *gugghh* “consummated”.
Another analysis:
And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter.
The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah [waiting period before remarriage] is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah [verse] in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. (see Qur’an 2:228) The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah [waiting period before remarriage] is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His [Allah’s] saying; (Qur’an 65:4 “and for those who have no courses….”)
(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) [65:4]. Said Muqatil: “When the verse (Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart…), Kallad ibn al-Nu‘man ibn Qays al-Ansari said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is the waiting period of the woman who does not menstruate and the woman who has not menstruated yet? And what is the waiting period of the pregnant woman?’ And so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”. Abu Ishaq al-Muqri’ informed us> Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Hamdun> Makki ibn ‘Abdan> Abu’l-Azhar> Asbat ibn Muhammad> Mutarrif> Abu ‘Uthman ‘Amr ibn Salim who said: “When the waiting period for divorced and widowed women was mentioned in Surah al-Baqarah, Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are saying: there are other women who have not been mentioned!’ He asked him: ‘And who are they?’ He said: ‘Those who are too young [such that they have not started menstruating yet], those who are too old [whose menstruation has stopped] and those who are pregnant’. And so this verse (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) was revealed”.
So, Islamic scholarship confirms that the quran allows marriage and... *swallows vomit* "consummation" with a girl who does not yet menstruate.
It needs to be noted that there is no lower bounds given. The age at which menarche actually occurs - and whether it was later on average back then, or not - is completely irrelevant. The fact is that Islam authorizes and recognizes marriage to girls who have never menstruated.
If this understanding is wrong, then this means that Allah couldn't communicate his perfect message perfectly. Least of all through the - purported - perfect human, Muhammad. If it's translated wrong, then Allah's an incompetent idiot for failing to communicate in multiple languages, and especially in a language that resists translation and communication to the entire world. Indonesia has the world’s highest population of Muslims. Very few (<0.5%) speak Arabic there.
Remember: Islam is not beholden to just the quran anyway. The hadith confirm that one of Muhammad's wives was 6 when he married her and 9 when he... *shudder* "consummated" it.
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet (ﷺ) departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married `Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Narrated 'Urwa:
The Prophet (ﷺ) wrote the (marriage contract) with `Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported:
Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.
Sheikh Hamoud Hashim al-Tharihi is general secretary of the increasingly influential Vice and Virtue Committee and a member of the Islah Party. He cites the example of the Prophet Muhammad who married six-year-old Aisha but waited for consummation till she was a little older.
"Because this happened to the Prophet, we cannot tell people that it is prohibited to marry at an early age," he argues. Moreover, he claims it would harm society by spreading vice.
Whether or not it's in the quran - even though it is - is a distraction.
It's Islamic.
Muhammad was a pedophile.
If Muhammad wasn’t a pedophile, they wouldn’t use Muhammad, by name, to defend present day pedophilia.
Child rape apologists for Islam aren’t opposing critics of Islam, they’re contradicting scholars of Islam.
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Do Muslims still actually have child fucking brides in the majority—Islam countries? (And, as a follow—up, how much does the actual Quran and teachings of Islam support such blatant, fragrant pedophilia?)
There are instances of Islamic arranged child marriage (or attempted ones) even in non-Muslim majority countries like the USA and UK. In those secular countries, the law is clear: it’s a crime.
In countries like Pakistan and Iran, there are people working tirelessly to try to effect change, but they keep running up against a specific brick wall: laws outlawing child marriage are explicitly non-Islamic.
Quran 65:1-4
O Prophet, when you divorce women, divorce them when they have reached their period. Count the period, and fear God your Lord. Do not expel them from their houses, nor let them go forth, except when they commit a flagrant indecency.
[flowery Allah blather]
As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.
There is good commentary that the Arabic phrasing for a woman who no longer menstruates due to menopause is different from that describing a girl who has not started yet. There are some translations which slyly keep it vague with phrasing like “have it not” or “do not experience it.” But it’s well accepted that this refers to divorcing a girl who has not started menstruating. Which necessarily means you were able to marry her in the first place, in a manner recognized by Allah.
And don’t forget, this is not Muhammad making the rules here. The quran is (supposedly) the revealed word of Allah... revealed by Allah via Gabriel via Muhammad via whoever wrote it down, that is. Even though we know it’s just Muhammad making shit up, since he thinks the Earth is flat.
Of course, Muhammad himself did it, and he was Allah’s chosen prophet, “the perfect human” and “an excellent model of conduct.”
Sahih Muslim 8:3311
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Narrated 'A'isha :
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle married her when she was six years old, and he (the Holy Prophet) took her to his house when she was nine, and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old
There is some contention as to her exact age, but it’s generally recognized that she was six, that the marriage was “consummated” (that is, he raped her) by about 9, and she was a widow by 18. Certainly, only a little girl would have been allowed to play with dolls, so the contention is not whether she was 6 or 26, it’s was she 6 or was she 7.
Sheikh Hamoud Hashim al-Tharihi is general secretary of the increasingly influential Vice and Virtue Committee and a member of the Islah Party. He cites the example of the Prophet Muhammad who married six-year-old Aisha but waited for consummation till she was a little older.
"Because this happened to the Prophet, we cannot tell people that it is prohibited to marry at an early age," he argues. Moreover, he claims it would harm society by spreading vice.
“Spreading vice.” What he’s actually saying is that abuse that is already happening would be categorized correctly as a crime. This is like not testing for the coronavirus because your infection statistics would go up.
There have been some small gains in some places, such as putting extra conditions around it, for example, requiring the consent of the parents, since that isn’t seen to contravene Islamic (quranic) law. But the parents are often complicit, or sought it in the first place.
It’s similar with honor killings. There was a spate of them in Iran, and it horrified the population, but there was little they could do as they were conducted completely to Islamic doctrine and tradition.
But the [Iranian] president knows that draft laws aimed at protecting women from family violence will be rejected by the conservative justice system. Hard-liners argue that such laws aim to imitate Western values and goals that contradict Islamic principles.
They were able to pass a law that bans honor killing a girl who is under the age of 18, in a way that does not contradict Islamic law. It does nothing for women.
Iran has passed a law aimed at protecting children from violence days after the gruesome killing of a teenager allegedly by her father.
The legislation, which had been stalled for more than a decade, was ratified on June 7 by the hard-line watchdog Guardians Council, which must approve all bills passed by parliament to make sure they're consistent with the country's constitution and Islamic law.
Of course, it needs to be pointed out that many Muslims do not support child marriage or honor killings. Possibly even the majority. But this is something the doctrine of their religion does support. That is, Islam (the idea) supports it, even when Muslims (the people) do not. As Yasmine Mohammed said:
“Those people are not good Muslims, but they’re good people.”
A high court in Pakistan has ruled that men can marry underage girls, under Sharia law, after they have experienced their first menstrual cycle.
Sharia law is the religious law of Islam derived from the teachings of the Quran, which acts as a divine code or guide for living.
The ruling was made by the Sindh High Court on Feb. 3 during the hearing of Huma Younus, a 14-year-old Catholic girl who was abducted, pressured to convert to Islam, and forced into child marriage.
To prove the marriage was invalid and illegal, Younus' parents brought a copy of her baptismal certificate and testimony from her school to the hearing to corroborate her age. Her family cited the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act, which prohibits the marriage of any child under the age of 18.
The judges, however, ruled that the marriage between Younus and her abductor, Abdul Jabbar, was legal under Sharia law because she had already experienced her first period.
[cont’d...]
The Prophet of Pedophilia begets the Religion of Pedophilia.
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