Are there any ways that a religion is meaningfully different from a cult?
Over the years, there have been a number of pundits who've suggested distinctions between cults and religions. These have included:
- the amount of real estate they own
- the number of followers
- the amount of political influence they have
- religions are large, popular cults, cults are small, unpopular religions
- cults are headed by someone who knows it's a scam; in a religion that person is dead
I think there is a distinction, and I think Steven Hassan's BITE Model of Authoritarian Control is a good way of making this distinction. BITE stands for Behavior, Information, Thought and Emotional Control.
I've posted about this before, but I'll link to the official site as well as my tag.
- https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/
- https://religion-is-a-mental-illness.tumblr.com/tagged/Steven%20Hassan
- https://religion-is-a-mental-illness.tumblr.com/tagged/religion%20vs%20cult
If you look at the methods involved, religions match several of these types of control. but generally don't match all or even most.
Xians, for example, still live in the world and aren't banned from reading non-Xian books, watching non-Xian movies, etc. Mainstream Xians are not (generally) banned from seeing non-Xian doctors or therapists, or using non-Xian medications. Of course, this is not true for all Xian denominations, since many score higher, or even much higher, than others - Jehovah's Witnesses, for example.
On the other hand, Scientology matches super-highly on the BITE Model. I think you could tick just about everything.
I suppose it really comes down to a question of gradation. How many things does it have to match on before you call it a cult? All religions exhibit some of these, and it may be argued that where a religion turns into a cult is a bit indistinct, as it's more of a continuum than a hard category.
The question is whether its effects, intentions and goals are healthy or unhealthy.
But I think the distinction, in principle at least, needs to be there if only because cults do not necessarily have to be based on explicitly supernatural or divine claims.
If you look at Alcoholics Anonymous, for example, it matches very highly on the BITE Model. One is supposed to identify oneself as an alcoholic as part of one's identity, there are internal mechanisms for policing each other, people who leave are "fallen," you never "graduate" - that is, you never get to a point where you've mastered the skills to go out on your own and live your life, it's a lifelong commitment.
Wokeness also scores very highly here. Cancel culture, "doing the work," "a lifelong commitment," "no one is ever done," trigger warnings, microaggressions, assumed guilt, redefining words, monitoring, shunning, etc, it's highly and creepily authoritarian.
Which is to say that cults are not necessarily a subset of what we would recognize as a traditional religion. They may have traits that make them pseudo-religious or religious-like, but the BITE model gives us specific methods and behaviors to look for, rather than a vague sense of a group seeming kind of culty, and without getting tied up in a debate over whether a a group is a religion or not.
This also doesn’t mean that we should just refrain from criticizing a religion or denomination simply because it isn’t highly authoritarian/cult-like. Authoritarianism is just one problem. We can reject and criticize even moderate religions or denominations for other reasons. Such as the fact they aren’t true.
Well not necessarily rapture anxiety, but jehovah witnesses go trought something similar. They also believe that the end is coming any second now, and that those who "have heard the word of God but rejected in their hearts" will be destroyed forever in armageddon. And there's a ton of stuff they consider "sinful" like blood transfusions, birthdays, pursuing higher education, having friends or romantic partners outside the cult (gee wonder why they made that a rule, surely not because of any psychological reasons).
So basically there's this minefield of sinful stuff to keep you on your toes, all designed to keep you isolated and with no social circle outside of the cult, so that if they kick you out you have no support system making you more likely to come crawling back. It really messed me up as a kid, and I can't imagine how stressful it must be for the ones that are still brainwashed. Doomsday cults really milked the pandemic for all it was worth so you can imagine the amount of stress these people went trought since on top of quarantine they genuinely believed the end was coming tomorrow.
[ Re: Rapture Anxiety: https://religion-is-a-mental-illness.tumblr.com/post/670225964973834240 ]
Yikes. That's very much cult behavior:
I always wonder with Doomsday proclamations like that whether there's any blowback when it doesn't happen - and, let's face it, they're not merely predicting it, they're actively looking forward to it. Does the cult adapt the story - e.g. we prayed so god gave us another chance. Do they just change the news cycle - e.g. never mind what we said about the end of the world, now Satan wants to get you with this vaccine. Like - and I realize he's not JW - Kenneth Copeland's ineffectual theatrics.
Does anyone ever realize they're being taken for a ride and leave, or are they just too indoctrinated to even consider these sorts of things.
By: Valerie Tarico
Published: Nov 28, 2021
At age sixteen I began what would be a four year struggle with bulimia. When the symptoms started, I turned in desperation to adults who knew more than I did about how to stop shameful behavior—my Bible study leader and a visiting youth minister. "If you ask anything in faith, believing," they said. "It will be done." I knew they were quoting the Word of God. We prayed together, and I went home confident that God had heard my prayers.
But my horrible compulsions didn't go away. By the fall of my sophomore year in college, I was desperate and depressed enough that I made a suicide attempt. The problem wasn't just the bulimia. I was convinced by then that I was a complete spiritual failure. My college counseling department had offered to get me real help (which they later did). But to my mind, at that point, such help couldn't fix the core problem: I was a failure in the eyes of God. It would be years before I understood that my inability to heal bulimia through the mechanisms offered by biblical Christianity was not a function of my own spiritual deficiency but deficiencies in Evangelical religion itself.
Dr. Marlene Winell is a human development consultant in the San Francisco Area. She is also the daughter of Pentecostal missionaries. This combination has given her work an unusual focus. For the past twenty years she has counseled men and women in recovery from various forms of fundamentalist religion including the Assemblies of God denomination in which she was raised. Winell is the author of Leaving the Fold – A Guide for Former Fundamentalists and Others Leaving their Religion, written during her years of private practice in psychology. Over the years, Winell has provided assistance to clients whose religious experiences were even more damaging than mine. Some of them are people whose psychological symptoms weren't just exacerbated by their religion, but actually caused by it.
Two years ago, Winell made waves by formally labeling what she calls "Religious Trauma Syndrome" (RTS) and beginning to write and speak on the subject for professional audiences. When the British Association of Behavioral and Cognitive Psychologists published a series of articles on the topic, members of a Christian counseling association protested what they called excessive attention to a "relatively niche topic." One commenter said, "A religion, faith or book cannot be abuse but the people interpreting can make anything abusive."
Is toxic religion simply misinterpretation? What is religious trauma? Why does Winell believe religious trauma merits its own diagnostic label? I asked her.
Let's start this interview with the basics. What exactly is religious trauma syndrome?
Winell: Religious trauma syndrome (RTS) is a set of symptoms and characteristics that tend to go together and which are related to harmful experiences with religion. They are the result of two things: immersion in a controlling religion and the secondary impact of leaving a religious group. The RTS label provides a name and description that affected people often recognize immediately. Many other people are surprised by the idea of RTS, because in our culture it is generally assumed that religion is benign or good for you. Just like telling kids about Santa Claus and letting them work out their beliefs later, people see no harm in teaching religion to children.
But in reality, religious teachings and practices sometimes cause serious mental health damage. The public is somewhat familiar with sexual and physical abuse in a religious context. As Journalist Janet Heimlich has documented in, Breaking Their Will, Bible-based religious groups that emphasize patriarchal authority in family structure and use harsh parenting methods can be destructive.
But the problem isn't just physical and sexual abuse. Emotional and mental treatment in authoritarian religious groups also can be damaging because of 1) toxic teachings like eternal damnation or original sin 2) religious practices or mindset, such as punishment, black and white thinking, or sexual guilt, and 3) neglect that prevents a person from having the information or opportunities to develop normally.
Can you give me an example of RTS from your consulting practice?
Winell: I can give you many. One of the symptom clusters is around fear and anxiety. People indoctrinated into fundamentalist Christianity as small children sometimes have memories of being terrified by images of hell and apocalypse before their brains could begin to make sense of such ideas. Some survivors, who I prefer to call "reclaimers," have flashbacks, panic attacks, or nightmares in adulthood even when they intellectually no longer believe the theology. One client of mine, who during the day functioned well as a professional, struggled with intense fear many nights. She said,
I was afraid I was going to hell. I was afraid I was doing something really wrong. I was completely out of control. I sometimes would wake up in the night and start screaming, thrashing my arms, trying to rid myself of what I was feeling. I'd walk around the house trying to think and calm myself down, in the middle of the night, trying to do some self-talk, but I felt like it was just something that – the fear and anxiety was taking over my life.
Or consider this comment, which refers to a film used by Evangelicals to warn about the horrors of the "end times" for nonbelievers.
I was taken to see the film "A Thief In The Night". WOW. I am in shock to learn that many other people suffered the same traumas I lived with because of this film. A few days or weeks after the film viewing, I came into the house and mom wasn't there. I stood there screaming in terror. When I stopped screaming, I began making my plan: Who my Christian neighbors were, who's house to break into to get money and food. I was 12 yrs old and was preparing for Armageddon alone.
In addition to anxiety, RTS can include depression, cognitive difficulties, and problems with social functioning. In fundamentalist Christianity, the individual is considered depraved and in need of salvation. A core message is "You are bad and wrong and deserve to die." (The wages of sin is death.) This gets taught to millions of children through organizations like Child Evangelism Fellowship, and there is a group organized to oppose their incursion into public schools. I've had clients who remember being distraught when given a vivid bloody image of Jesus paying the ultimate price for their sins. Decades later they sit telling me that they can't manage to find any self-worth.
After twenty-seven years of trying to live a perfect life, I failed. . . I was ashamed of myself all day long. My mind battling with itself with no relief. . . I always believed everything that I was taught but I thought that I was not approved by God. I thought that basically I, too, would die at Armageddon. I've spent literally years injuring myself, cutting and burning my arms, taking overdoses and starving myself, to punish myself so that God doesn't have to punish me. It's taken me years to feel deserving of anything good.
Born-again Christianity and devout Catholicism tell people they are weak and dependent, calling on phrases like "lean not unto your own understanding" or "trust and obey." People who internalize these messages can suffer from learned helplessness. I'll give you an example from a client who had little decision-making ability after living his entire life devoted to following the "will of God." The words here don't convey the depth of his despair.
I have an awful time making decisions in general. Like I can't, you know, wake up in the morning, "What am I going to do today? Like I don't even know where to start. You know all the things I thought I might be doing are gone and I'm not sure I should even try to have a career; essentially I babysit my four-year-old all day.
Authoritarian religious groups are subcultures where conformity is required in order to belong. Thus if you dare to leave the religion, you risk losing your entire support system as well.
I lost all my friends. I lost my close ties to family. Now I'm losing my country. I've lost so much because of this malignant religion and I am angry and sad to my very core. . . I have tried hard to make new friends, but I have failed miserably. . . I am very lonely.
Leaving a religion, after total immersion, can cause a complete upheaval of a person's construction of reality, including the self, other people, life, and the future. People unfamiliar with this situation, including therapists, have trouble appreciating the sheer terror it can create.
My form of religion was very strongly entrenched and anchored deeply in my heart. It is hard to describe how fully my religion informed, infused, and influenced my entire worldview. My first steps out of fundamentalism were profoundly frightening and I had frequent thoughts of suicide. Now I'm way past that but I still haven't quite found "my place in the universe.
Even for a person who was not so entrenched, leaving one's religion can be a stressful and significant transition.
Many people seem to walk away from their religion easily, without really looking back. What is different about the clientele you work with?
Winell: Religious groups that are highly controlling, teach fear about the world, and keep members sheltered and ill-equipped to function in society are harder to leave easily. The difficulty seems to be greater if the person was born and raised in the religion rather than joining as an adult convert. This is because they have no frame of reference – no other "self" or way of "being in the world." A common personality type is a person who is deeply emotional and thoughtful and who tends to throw themselves wholeheartedly into their endeavors. "True believers" who then lose their faith feel more anger and depression and grief than those who simply went to church on Sunday.
Aren't these just people who would be depressed, anxious, or obsessive anyways?
Winell: Not at all. If my observation is correct, these are people who are intense and involved and caring. They hang on to the religion longer than those who simply "walk away" because they try to make it work even when they have doubts. Sometime this is out of fear, but often it is out of devotion. These are people for whom ethics, integrity and compassion matter a great deal. I find that when they get better and rebuild their lives, they are wonderfully creative and energetic about new things.
In your mind, how is RTS different from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder?
Winell: RTS is a specific set of symptoms and characteristics that are connected with harmful religious experience, not just any trauma. This is crucial to understanding the condition and any kind of self-help or treatment. (More details about this can be found on my Journey Free website and discussed in my talk at the Texas Freethought Convention.)
Another difference is the social context, which is extremely different from other traumas or forms of abuse. When someone is recovering from domestic abuse, for example, other people understand and support the need to leave and recover. They don't question it as a matter of interpretation, and they don't send the person back for more. But this is exactly what happens to many former believers who seek counseling. If a provider doesn't understand the source of the symptoms, he or she may send a client for pastoral counseling, or to AA, or even to another church. One reclaimer expressed her frustration this way:
Include physically-abusive parents who quote "Spare the rod and spoil the child" as literally as you can imagine and you have one fucked-up soul: an unloved, rejected, traumatized toddler in the body of an adult. I'm simply a broken spirit in an empty shell. But wait…That's not enough!? There's also the expectation by everyone in society that we victims should celebrate this with our perpetrators every Christmas and Easter!!
Just like disorders such as autism or bulimia, giving RTS a real name has important advantages. People who are suffering find that having a label for their experience helps them feel less alone and guilty. Some have written to me to express their relief:
There's actually a name for it! I was brainwashed from birth and wasted 25 years of my life serving Him! I've since been out of my religion for several years now, but i cannot shake the haunting fear of hell and feel absolutely doomed. I'm now socially inept, unemployable, and the only way i can have sex is to pay for it.
Labeling RTS encourages professionals to study it more carefully, develop treatments, and offer training. Hopefully, we can even work on prevention.
What do you see as the difference between religion that causes trauma and religion that doesn't?
Winell: Religion causes trauma when it is highly controlling and prevents people from thinking for themselves and trusting their own feelings. Groups that demand obedience and conformity produce fear, not love and growth. With constant judgment of self and others, people become alienated from themselves, each other, and the world. Religion in its worst forms causes separation.
Conversely, groups that connect people and promote self-knowledge and personal growth can be said to be healthy. The book, Healthy Religion, describes these traits. Such groups put high value on respecting differences, and members feel empowered as individuals. They provide social support, a place for events and rites of passage, exchange of ideas, inspiration, opportunities for service, and connection to social causes. They encourage spiritual practices that promote health like meditation or principles for living like the golden rule. More and more, nontheists are asking how they can create similar spiritual communities without the supernaturalism. An atheist congregation in London launched this year and has received over 200 inquiries from people wanting to replicate their model.
Some people say that terms like "recovery from religion" and "religious trauma syndrome" are just atheist attempts to pathologize religious belief.
Winell: Mental health professionals have enough to do without going out looking for new pathology. I never set out looking for a "niche topic," and certainly not religious trauma syndrome. I originally wrote a paper for a conference of the American Psychological Association and thought that would be the end of it. Since then, I have tried to move on to other things several times, but this work has simply grown.
In my opinion, we are simply, as a culture, becoming aware of religious trauma. More and more people are leaving religion, as seen by polls showing that the "religiously unaffiliated" have increased in the last five years from just over 15% to just under 20% of all U.S. adults. It's no wonder the internet is exploding with websites for former believers from all religions, providing forums for people to support each other. The huge population of people "leaving the fold" includes a subset at risk for RTS, and more people are talking about it and seeking help. For example, there are thousands of former Mormons, and I was asked to speak about RTS at an Exmormon Foundation conference. I facilitate an international support group online called Release and Reclaim which has monthly conference calls. An organization called Recovery from Religion, helps people start self-help meet-up groups
Saying that someone is trying to pathologize authoritarian religion is like saying someone pathologized eating disorders by naming them. Before that, they were healthy? No, before that we weren't noticing. People were suffering, thought they were alone, and blamed themselves. Professionals had no awareness or training. This is the situation of RTS today. Authoritarian religion is already pathological, and leaving a high-control group can be traumatic. People are already suffering. They need to be recognized and helped.
—- Dr. Marlene Winell is a human development consultant in the San Francisco Bay Area and the author of Leaving the Fold – A Guide for Former Fundamentalists and Others Leaving their Religion. More information about Marlene Winell and resources for getting help with RTS may be found at Journey Free. Valerie Tarico is a psychologist and writer in Seattle, Washington. She is the author of Trusting Doubt: A Former Evangelical Looks at Old Beliefs in a New Light and Deas and Other Imaginings, and the founder of www.WisdomCommons.org. Her articles can be found at Awaypoint.Wordpress.com.
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speaking as someone who grew up in a cult and eventually got out — the biggest difference between a cult and a regular religion/church is how easy it is to leave. A cult will completely cut you off if you leave, and tell everyone else in the cult to cut you off. They emotionally manipulate you into thinking you NEED to be there, because if you aren’t, you will be completely alone. If you are able to leave on even *kind of* okay terms with a religious organization, it’s likely not a cult.
I actually had something about that originally, but took it out before posting as shunning is pretty common in a number of religions, including JW and Judaism. Excommunication and disfellowship are all Xtian threats even to believers in order to keep them in line.
And is, of course, taken to the extreme in Islam.
It does seem like it would be harder to think your way out of the cult, and logistically extract yourself from it, because it’s more of a closed system.
I’m glad you were able to find your own way.
1/3 As an ex jehovah witnesses I think people overlook how cultish they are. For an example my mom taught me that since god was fair, kids who died between the ages of 0 and 10 get a free ticket to paradise because they were too young to properly learn the "truth" before they died. When I was little I was always scared that i wasn't good enought for god and that satan was corrupting me, so I kept wishing to die before i turned 10 so i could have a guaranteed entry on paradise.
2/3 I even considered killing myself, but looking at the kitchen knife was enought for me to chicken out, so I just kept wishing someone invaded my house, or the car crashed and only i died. I dunno if this is something they taught everyone or if it was just my mom, but still. And that’s not even mentioning the whole “no blood transfusion thing”. They had this book filled with the stories of people who “kept their faith” by refusing a blood transfusion. The one that I remember most vividly
¾ The one that I remember most vividly was about a 12 year old girl, she needed a transfusion but her parents refused, which escalated into a courtroom fight between her parents and the hospital, all of that while she slowly died back in the hospital. So a nurse sneaked into her room at night to give her a transfusion, even if it was against the rules. She survived thanks to the transfusion, but the rest of the story is about how guilty and dirty she felt about it,
4/4 and how worried she was afraid that god was mad at her and she wouldn’t go to paradise. And practically all the other stories about kids and teenagers involved Nurses and doctors as the “bad guys” for trying to convince them to take the transfusion behind their parents back. I had nightmares for days after that book. Seriously, those guys are messed up. Also womans are not allowed to make discourses. Why? They never answered me
I’m so sorry you went through that. And I’m glad you’re still here.
Lloyd Evans, a former Jehovah’s Witness who now documents the Church’s various abuses, recently traveled to the Netherlands and shot a documentary about a group called Reclaimed Voices, which serves to raise awareness about the sex abuse within the religion.
This is the faith that famously says someone’s account of abuse is only taken seriously by Church elders if another person witnessed it… even though the only two people in the room may be the victim and the abuser.
Soo I wouldn’t do this normally but I don’t have nobody to tell this to and I just stumbled in your blog and it seam fitting, so my father is obsessed with being religious (he is a Jehová witness elder like a priest I think I don’t remember the term)and my mother has schizophrenia(literally)and said the she has Holy Spirit and the satan was after us and other things like if I went to school I was going to get kidnap and raped ( I was six ) so fast forward a couple years and I was doubtful of that they teach and if my mother says that and they say she is just crazy how they know the Bible is just not written by a lot of people that had illnesses,i never ask because i knew the answer that they were going to give me (because the Bible says so ) so I was like well I am going to pretend until I can live by my on,but my father didn’t let me go to high school because I was going to be seduce by the word of the devil also you don’t need school because I am going to maintain you and when do you get married your husband is going to do it , I was mad and didn’t know what to do, I was under age,alone and scared. I consider running away when I consider going with my moms family but I didn’t know them very well because my father didn’t let me spend time with them and I didn’t want to be a hassle so my next plan was to kill myself I was overwhelmed and in my mind was like is the easiest way, but then I thought that in a way I was letting them win also I thought that I couldn’t let my brother alone
With them, He has depression and I felt that by killing myself he could not stand it and I would be pushing him towards the edge , so I keep pretending for 4 years trying to learn things by my own,reading and doing research when a couple months before my 18 birthday my mother is diagnosed with cancer stage 4 and the doctors told us that they are going to treat her but is not likely that it would work so, I felt guilty of leaving and put my plans in hold and since I am the woman of the house I was expected to do everything by myself ( even though when she was “fine” had some one to do the cleaning but she had a breakdown and scare the girl) and that was 2 years ago she is better physically but worse mentally But I felt that I should start with my plans so I told to my father that I would do a exam for the school he is surprise but okay with it, not supporting though but I expected worse so I do the exam I pass with A+ so I don’t need to go to classes, when I arrived home he is like you failed right so then it hit me he tough that I was going to fail and give up, so I am waiting to get my diploma get a job and go to college if I can, and then my brother starts to look really bad and doesn’t want to tell me why, he is always really convinced in the religion so I never told him how I felt, so a month ago the tells me he is going to say something the next day in the church and he is telling me so I won’t be surprised but can’t tell me so I was like okay maybe is not huge deal because he is dramatic sometimes so I told him that no matter what he would say I had his back and that I love him he just gave me this sad look and told that he knew that, so next day he’s sitting next to me looking really sick and shaking, so then they say his name to say the ending prayer so he stands up goes to the front and tells everyone that he can’t do it because his conscience he can’t do that because How can he agree with a hypocritical religion that says he hates rapes but covers and protects the aggressors and cited as many cases as there were in the world all that he did not agree with, so they didn’t let him talk with anyone, and ask him why he was confused maybe he read some fake news and that he shouldn’t have listened to the social media and he gave them arguments and hundreds cases from the Supreme Court directly and they were like no they are fake is just the devil trying to make you doubt, and then he arrived home and talk with me and apparently I did a pretty good job pretending he thought I was really in it and told him the truth that I am a atheist and how I faked knocking doors etc. so it’s been a stressful month because we thought that my father was going to kick us out of the house on bright side a few people stopped going too.
P.s sorry for the long post if there’s and error is because English is not my first language and I’m writing it from my phone at 2:00am
Please do not kill yourself. You’re smart enough to have figured out that this is the one and only life we get, and there are a ton of pretty great people out there, including a lot more atheists, things to see and do, and if you end it, you’ll miss out on all of that. Before you do anything drastic like that, please message me and we’ll talk about it.
Wow, you’ve really been put through a lot, and I’m honoured that I’m the one you @ mentioned. Please consider a few pieces of advice, if I may offer them.
You need to put yourself first. This may sound selfish, but it’s one of the most important things people need to learn. I don’t know if you’ve ever been on a plane before, but the safety video they play before takeoff tells you that in the event of an emergency, oxygen masks will drop from the overhead compartment. They tell you to put on your own first, before you assist anyone else, even children.
You’re no good to anyone, including your brother or even yourself, if you’re not looking after yourself and making yourself a priority. And sometimes that means limiting what you do for people, particularly those who are destructive. You are entitled to leave environments that are hazardous to your wellbeing.
While I sympathize with your mother’s medical condition, you cannot make yourself responsible or give up your own life and wellbeing for other grown adults, or for being their substitute. Expecting you to do so would be truly selfish.
Do something for me: try to visualise your ideal life. Maybe you live in a particular place, in a particular kind of house. Maybe you have a partner, maybe not. Maybe your brother lives with you, maybe you picture him old enough to be out on his own. Maybe you’ve got a job you enjoy and have some money available giving you flexibility, with friends who are the kind of people you like to have around you.
Hang onto this image and know that you’re not only entitled to want it, you’re entitled to seek it out. Do what you can, whenever you can to achieve it. You’ve already done so much on your own - keep going, and don’t let anything stop you.