Religion is a Mental Illness

Or just not do that brainwashing thing he already did to the Pharaoh in the first place to make him not agree. Or kill nobody and do the brainwashing thing again to make him free the Israelites.

(Psst… the Exodus is a myth.)

Through the plagues, God showed his power over all the principal gods that were worshipped in the Nile valley, discrediting them and their presumed power. The God of Israel showed himself to be God over life, health, property, elements, and agriculture. Through the plagues, every Egyptian god and every sign of the gods became a horror and a torment to the people. And every conceivable part of Egyptian existence was affected. He didn’t do it because he “enjoys killing babies.” Also I am aware that God hardened his heart, but he did not take away his free will. Pharoah could have stopped it if he really wanted but chose not to.

Your “god” literally concocted this entire escalating magical arms-race farce, by brainwashing the Pharaoh in the first place. Your god didn’t have to do that if it was genuine. Let’s see how well you are able to exercise your “free will” when you’ve been magically convinced not to care about others. If it was merely a “free will” choice that could be made with or without a hardened heart, then there’s no reason why your god did that at all.

Either it did something ineffective and pointless, having no influence whatsoever on the Pharaoh’s decision making process, making your god an idiot, especially given how often the “hardened heart” quote appears in the story, or it manipulated the entire situation and is a villain. You seem to be admitting that it’s an idiot. Either the hardening did something or it didn’t.

And let’s honestly consider this for a moment. Your god, who absolutely will not violate the Pharaoh’s “free will” was completely happy with killing children who had free will of their own. You know, after all the other plagues and shit. Do you not see how seriously deranged this logic is?

And there it is. Your god’s need to show off, flex its might, prove its street-cred like a common thug, and earn the applause of mere humans. Through the aforementioned stupidity or villainy. He used the Pharaoh, Moses, Aaron and the (fictional) Israelite slaves as pawns in his desire to pump up its own cred.

That it felt the need to prove itself or win at all is an admission of its inferiority. A perfect god wouldn’t need anything, least of all adulation, competition or vengeance. Imagine feeling the need to prove how mighty you are to a nest of ants, to the extent of concocting an escalating war with them in order to make this point. Then recognize this is how pathetic your god truly is. 

So he had no choice and is not all-powerful. Interesting. Was there a way to use his god-magic that didn’t require killing innocent children? An all-knowing god could have thought of one instead of resorting to the primitive blood-magic of child murder. Like the meme suggests, couldn’t even think to just kill the Pharaoh, rather than innocent children loved and adored by their parents. An all-loving god would have. The only way to resolve this escalating war of literal magic - which originated with the brainwashing - was to kill children. Your god had no choice, and didn’t see this coming or he would have found a different tactic. Why do you worship this tiny, limited god? Especially one who already killed even more people - indeed, everybody in the world - with no success?

It’s remarkable to see the stupid excuses and self-refuting, contradictory logic made in the defence of absolute manipulative villainy and child-murder. It speaks to the vacancy of religious morality. Or perhaps just the shallow “cat-attacking-the-red-dot” logic of religious apologetics.

Also, you’re admitting that - in Bible-Land, at least, which Xtianity thinks is Real-World-Land - there is more than one god. So, when we ask you “which god?”, you can wipe that annoyed look off your face.

Thank goodness this god is trapped inside its silly book.

No that’s the whole point- there isn’t other God’s the Christians think are out there. So does God. So that’s why he had to prove that to the Egyptians. He wasn’t doing it to show off, he was doing it so not one single God of the Egyptians could be proven to be real over him. Pharoahs advisors kept doing magic tricks to prove that their Gods could do what God did, and so did everyone else believe that. So God had to prove them wrong. I could go on about the Egyptian Gods but basically the plagues proved their nonexistance to the Israelites and Egyptians.

Anyway, on to the topic at hand of the killing of the first borns that you are interested in. First of all, God did give the Egyptian people a way out. He said if you put the blood of the lamb over your door no harm will come. So that’s the first point, that no, God did not just slaughter people without saying hey! Here’s something you can do to stop that! Secondly, if you look at this from another view point. The Bible teaches that young children who die go to heaven… But most of these kids…if they would have been allowed to grow up, most likely would have lived lives of wickedness, and most certainly would have worshipped false gods, and thus would have been destined to hell. That’s why he didn’t decide to kill all the adults of Egypt. It’s so that all these kids who have nothing to do with the fight between him and Pharoah, can go straight to heaven. A place where everything is many many times greater than earth. In a way, it’s aan act of mercy even if they don’t put the lamb above their door.

Also your forgetting that a just God must give out punishment for the unjust deeds. The Egyptians, if you look historically, have done the absolute absolute worst to the Israelites. If you look back you can see that Pharoah created a mass genocide of the Israelite babies, and the Israelites were seen as under the Egyptian people and were kept as slaves. For not just a few years! Hundreds upon hundreds of years. In fact, scholars say that the amount of firstborn Egyptian sons killed by the plague would have been significantly less than the amount of male Israelite babies killed by the Egyptians over time. On top of that…the plague was death in their sleep…not throwing a baby in the river. The kindest way to kill someone. And even after those many years of genocide against the Israelites. God gives them 10 more chances!! He’s that merciful to them. And even on the last plague there was a way to prevent it. And it’s not just Pharoah who’s been murdering and decriminating against the Israelites, it’s all the people as well.

So this is not meant to be argument or hate, And I hope you have a good day! This is just meant to touch up on things that maybe haven’t been researched.

Firstly, I think it’s fascinating that you created a blog exclusively to try this argument on with me, with this specific meme - because, yes it is indeed an argument. There’s a lot to do, it’s not going to be pretty, because I have sources and citations - lots and lots of them - and you’ve got a blog to get busy deleting and pretending never existed. But you need to know why you’re deleting it, so let’s begin, shall we?

Update: Blog deleted.

This is what the bible says about the matter:

So what you’re saying is that humans can do “miracles”. "Miracles” was your god’s word.

Miracles by definition require divine agency. It’s not a “miracle” when something possible but unlikely happens. For there to be divine agency, either your god was playing both sides - and this wouldn’t be the first time - or multiple gods exist and were endowing their divine power to the Pharaoh’s magicians. Or was your god lying about it being a “miracle”, when it was just a cheap parlor trick?

That, as far as the bible is concerned, other gods actually exist and are real is utterly uncontroversial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism#Canaanite_religion_and_early_Judaism

It needs to be pointed out that even after seeing all this miraculous stuff, having been lead out of their prison by divine guidance, freed from slavery by godly intervention, seen divine plagues, the magical execution of helpless children, witnessed the parting of the seas, fed manna from heaven... been first-hand witnesses to all this direct divine activity, things you could never forget and never doubt... and the Israelites themselves were like, meh, maybe we should worship this golden calf.

The Israelites themselves do not behave as if there is only one god. They behave as if they live in a world of literal magic and warring gods. Just like how Frodo and Samwise act like it’s just natural for dragons to exist.

Your god is in charge of all the other gods.

You can’t make a covenant with something unless it exists.

All the other gods should worship the Israelite god.

No. The bible is clear that other gods exist, and Yahweh is above them. Yahweh wanted to win against them and destroy them.

Literally, he was:

Your god says outright that it has brainwashed the Pharaoh for its own publicity.

And the entire notion that your god would need humans to prove its own existence in the first place is further demonstration of how broken and pitiful your deranged god is. It’s too pathetic to leave its magic cloud and actually go and present itself to the Egyptians. This, of course, also goes back to the fact the Egyptians of the bible know that lots of gods actually exist, and don’t doubt the existence of the Israelite god character, but don’t care for it. Your god wants to bully them into obeying it, but can’t be bothered doing it personally.

Worse, he chose poorly in Moses who couldn’t even speak on the Israelite god’s own behalf, and needed Aaron as a proxy for Moses as a proxy for Yahweh.

Your god is stupid. He couldn’t be bothered pulling a little god magic to fix Moses, nor cut out the middle man and go direct to Aaron.

More blood magic from the murder god. That your god has only one mode of problem solving - kill something - is just more evidence it’s beneath us.

No, he told the Israelites only. Only they knew the secret. Which is also demented because what it means is that Yahweh didn’t know which of the people were his Chosen People.

I don’t know whether you’re lying or you don’t know the bible, but every time we look, your god is even more foolish.

Again, the Egyptian gods exist, and this murder judgement is upon all innocent Egyptian children, because the passover is a secret for the Israelites only.

Literally did exactly that. After masterminding the whole thing with his brainwashing. Seriously, read the bible.

So, that makes it okay. Tell me, what brought salvation to humanity? Was it Jesus... who didn’t exist yet? Hmm... If you can get to heaven without Jesus, then we don’t need him. Or did your changeless god change that? It was, after all, Jesus who introduced hell.

I’m not kidding. You should read the bible some day.

Show me the bible verse. Prove it. Show how you know the odds of how these children would have turned out, given they ended up dead. You know, all of them. You making up excuses for your shitty god is not canon.

And you invented that entirely because they were Egyptian. So, you’re a racist. Or your god is. You literally cannot bring yourself to admit that your god is a violent psychopath, so you literally blame the victims.

For fuck’s sake. Once in your life, just fucking stop. Stop for one minute and realize that humans are better than this shitty, violent, fictional god. You’ve sold out your entire humanity to defend a fictional violent monster. You’re excusing murder of innocent children as “well, they deserved it.” For fuck’s sake, listen to yourself.

Or at least make a vow to never again pretend that your religion promotes morality. Because if you - someone who blames children for being murdered - are what your religion produces, it’s not a good religion. And I am so glad I’m not a part of it.

You literally just got done saying they were destined for wickedness. Now they deserve heaven. You’ve got someone predisposed to “wickedness” who has been let into “heaven.”

You sound just like one of those faith healers who kills their child because they’re “possessed.”

It’s okay, the child is dead now so can’t unleash any demon-powered wickedness onto the world. And heaven’s better anyway. Yay!! Right?

Let’s put aside the fact that you cannot prove “heaven” exists at all. And let’s also put aside the fact that you’re pretending to know any of the properties of this place - the one you can’t prove to know exists in the first place.

What you’re saying is that your god created this realm as broken and imperfect as it is deliberately. It created suffering, it created disease. You’re saying it’s capable of creating a perfect paradise. But it chose to make it somewhere else, instead of making it here. It wants people to suffer hunger and thirst, disease, cleft palates, missing arms and legs, having their eyeballs eaten from the inside out by parasitic worms, all of it. You’re saying the world is the way your god wants it to be. When your god is perfect and can make perfection, how can the world not be exactly how it wants the world to be?

Your god is a psychopath. It can remove suffering, and it won’t. It can create a world of happiness, but it won’t. Your god is the most despicable creature I’ve ever heard of.

The bible says that in heaven you will spend day and night at the foot of god’s throne, feeding its endless, eternal hunger for applause. Heaven isn’t about you. Heaven is about your god “winning.” You are not the point of heaven. If you were, then it cannot be “perfect.” A “perfect” place must be the same before your arrival and after; it can’t become more perfect. That is, you don’t matter.

You really need to think about this mythology you’ve subscribed to.

I literally cannot fucking believe you actually said this, and felt good and proud about it.

Go tell that to the parents. Oh wait, they’re Egyptian, so they’re wicked, so they can never get into heaven. So your god separates children from their parents for the children’s benefit, because the parents are presumed bad due to their nationality.

Think about that.

And let’s be clear. It says:

No, they never had a chance. The bible is clear that it was to target the Egyptians directly and exclusively.

Is this the same reason your god performs all those unwanted abortions? Medical science calls them “miscarriages” but it’s your god forcibly aborting a wanted baby, right? Because the baby is wicked already?

So, what exactly did all the firstborn animals do that was so wicked? Your god murdered them right along with all the evil Egyptians.

The mental gymnastics you’ve performed to excuse child murder are astounding.

By killing someone else who didn’t do the “unjust” deeds? So, executing your child as punishment for you embezzling from your company would be “just”? If they’d caught Hitler, killing his dog Blondi would have squared things as far as Adolf’s deeds?

Considering your god pulled the same nonsensical immorality by killing Jesus as a literal scapegoat (aka substitutional atonement, aka vicarious redemption), to punish him(self) for things other people did, this is pretty much completely in character.

You’ve just surrendered the ability to blame free will. Explain again why your god allows its priests to rape children? Or is raping children not an unjust deed? Every time we bring this up, you people recite the old canard of “free will” and pretend you’ve said anything intelligent. Yet you’ve literally just said that “a just God must give out punishments for the unjust deeds.” Your god had no qualms about doing so decisively and unequivocally by murdering children - who were not killed for doing unjust deeds. They were killed because your god manipulated the Pharaoh so that he “will not listen to you.” The children were innocent.

And don’t bother pretending that they’ll be punished after they die, because the bible is clear about your god welcoming child raping priests and cannibal murderers into heaven.

There’s nothing a believer can do that will get them excluded from heaven. No amount of genocide, no amount of rape and murder and thievery. Hitler will be in heaven. So will Jeffrey Dahmer. Their sins are forgiven, because they embraced Jesus as their Lord. I, on the other hand, will not. I deserve damnation, because I find your god to be both despicable and fictional.

Because slavery’s bad, right?

These are the rules for the non-Israelite slaves. Israelite slaves “you must not rule over... ruthlessly” but non-Israelites can be bought from all the lands around, and they are property that can be handed down. This is chattel slavery.

So, with this in mind, who will give out punishment for the unjust deeds of your god? Your god is supposed to have an eternal morality. It sure seems like it does, just not a good one.

Slaves are property. And you can beat them.

This means your god is disqualified. Maybe one of the other ones?

Your god of slavery is not just. Your god of child murder is not merciful.

For reference, a god that is both just and merciful cannot exist. Mercy is the suspension of justice. When you describe your god as both just and merciful, you are describing a married bachelor. You are telling me, by your words, that your god cannot exist.

You have refuted your own god’s existence.

Wait, do you actually think that this silly story is "history”?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Origins_and_historicity

And a very long and fascinating list of all the reasons the Exodus is fiction then follows, including the fact the Israelites cannot be placed in that region at the timeframes proposed by the story, and certainly not as slaves.

Again, not even controversial.

Less than zero? Wow. Considering the Exodus is acknowledged to be fiction, from which fast food restaurant did these “scholars” get their credentials?

You have liars pretending to be scholars making up ahistorical bullshit to excuse fictional atrocities in your silly book. All in order to excuse the murder of children by your appalling, evil god.

Your excuse is “well, they did it first, so we’re allowed to do it back to them.” That is, two wrongs make a right. Since you don’t seem to understand this, maybe go ask your mother what it means.

And let’s not be dishonest here. They were killed by no “plague” like you assert.

The entire point of the passover was that your god would move across Egypt and kill the firstborn himself. This was your god himself executing children as they slept.

Well, that is better than the 40 days of rain that slowly drowned (almost) all the people and animals on Earth, seeing the waters rise, watching in terror as animals, children, pregnant women struggled, tired, succumbed, drowning in spluttering suffocation, knowing they were next and never knowing why, all so your god could enjoy the sweet thrill of tormenting a lesser creature. The equivalent of a child tearing the wings off an insect and then burning it with a magnifying glass. While pretending such an act is loving and good.

The only part of the bible that suggests your god is “good” is the bits where your god claims to be the good one. But you would expect the same of any villain. Darth Sidious hid as Chancellor Palpatine. And Thanos genuinely thinks he’s the hero. We know they’re not by their actions and their morality.

And yes, we can judge your god. After all, you already have. Every time you decide what it was really doing, every time you decide that killing sleeping children is “just”, you’re judging your god.

No, he doesn’t. They never had a chance. Before any of this even happened:

Your god already knew what was going to happen. Your god was planning all of this. Your god says so itself.

Let’s ignore for a moment that this is categorically not even true, as we have already, and shall continue to see.

In your world, the gunman is justified in pulling the trigger when the hostage doesn’t comply with his demands. There was a way to prevent it, so the hostage deserves it. What could the “just” and “merciful” gunman do but pull the trigger? Other than, you know, not pull the trigger?

I’m absolutely floored at the damage and destruction your religion has wrought to your humanity and morality. I sincerely hope you do not have influence over children.

In any event, no there wasn’t a way.

Your god was pulling the strings the whole time.

No, it’s your blood-god as well. At best count, your god has killed 20,384,003 people by this point, with millions more ants to suffer at the stomping foot of your petulant child-god.

No, it’s just you arguing against your own book. That I don’t think you’ve read.

That’s my line. I think you should read the bible one day, instead of “researching” lame apologetics online, while throwing your own morality in the trash to defend the immoral monster god in your storybook.

Because almost everything you’re saying is refuted by the bible itself, suggesting you don’t really know what’s in it. Considering which, I really don’t know why you would sign up for it.

When they make up a myth about a 2.5 million person migration - that nobody anywhere noticed or recorded, of people who never lived at the point of origin - with a blank piece of paper to create any fable they want, and they still manage to write the magical “hero” as a bungling, incompetent idiot.