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I had thoughts about the acotar fandom and fandom etiquette and I'm not sorry.

I genuinely wonder if people wandered into the acotar fandom last year, after having read acosf, and didn't understand what corner of the internet they ended up in. Fandom is inherently very queer, in the broadest sense of the word. In the Judith Butler sense. Not just that there are gays everywhere, but there are disabled and neurodivergent and minoritized identities. We are here looking for more from canon, not just reinforcement that what we thought about canon was right. Fandom has existed for a long time to give stories to people who never saw themselves in the story, or who felt constricted by the mainstream, who felt like there wasn't a place for them in the media they consumed.

So when I see the acotar fandom being snide about "crackships" - though that's not an insult, it's just a description of how likely the pairing is in canon - and when I see the acotar fandom acting like shipping is a political stance/social justice cause, or when I see this fandom not understanding that you can ship things that have not been confirmed on the page, I have to wonder - where do these people think they are???

The most important thing about fandom imo is that there are no rules other than the number 1 rule: you are in control of your experience. That means that you block tags, or people, or follow tags, or people, or create, or consume, or whatever it is you want, but you cannot try to force your version of fandom on anyone else. If you don't like how someone else is engaging in the fandom, you block them and move on. It's that simple. There is no such thing as fandom police, it's every person for themselves. If you personally cannot stand the idea of Elain and Mor, then block that tag. If you really feel incredibly strongly about it, then block the people who use that tag. It's super simple, and it's been fandom practice for... literally decades now.

The acotar fandom has actually made this rule quite difficult in the past year because, for example, I have blocked upwards of 150 people on tumblr, and yet I know that some of those people continue to stalk my blog and make posts vaguing me. I've made my boundaries clear, those boundaries have been disrespected, and I know I am not the only one who experiences this. At least two times, people have taken me blocking them as a "challenge" to still try to interact with me despite the block. Thus far, my choices are to either attack those people head on, or act like they don't exist. I quite like pretending that they don't exist because those people are a waste of my time. However, I am not the only person they do this to and I know that turning the other cheek isn't that easy all the time, especially when certain people are so aggressive about being assholes.

The fact that people get mad at other users blocking them, that just baffles me. Again, blocking people is a time-honored and necessary tradition in fandom. You do not have to scroll through content you don't want, and having a presence in the fandom doesn't mean you have to allow all people access to your content! "This person blocked a bunch of us so we can't interact!" Yes, well, that's the point! They have drawn a line in the sandbox, you are not entitled to interact with whomever you want, and you should definitely respect the fact that someone has, for literally whatever reason they want, decided that they don't want to interact with you. The audacity of people getting mad about being blocked - is that harming you, somehow? Is that preventing you from screaming whatever you want to scream on your own blog? No? So what's the problem, exactly?

no 👏 one 👏 here 👏 owes 👏 you 👏 anything 👏

Disrespecting people's right to ship or headcanon or imagine whatever the fuck they want is another way that this rule continues to be violated. People are allowed to dislike/like whatever they want. Again, this is all about the only rule, you are in charge of your experience. Shaming people for what they like - whether it's a fluffy crackship or an abusive rarepair - is not okay. If you don't like something, then it's on you to block the content. It's not on you to show people the "error" of their ways because that's literally the opposite of why we are here!

It is not okay to tell other people how to exist in the fandom, and this moralistic high ground that people are taking in order to justify their shaming of other people is especially not it. That's the exact rationale that people are now using to say that in certain schools in the U.S., the idea of queer people existing is verboten. Why, oh why, do people think it's okay to come into one of the queerest space on the internet, and start throwing around morality-based arguments, when those types of morality-based argument are being used IRL to silence us??? Because people ended up in fandom and had no idea where they were (and apparently, still don't).

We exist in fandom (in part) because we already feel like there isn't a place for us in the mainstream. We are not going to allow a bunch of people who are so stuck up their ass in heteronormativity and whiteness and canon, to tell us what we can and cannot ship in fandom, a space that was historically made by and for queer people.

Example: if you don't like a specific ship, then you block that tag. The end. Maybe you talk about why you, personally, are not into it. We all have squicks. but you do not shame people for liking it, or try to tell them how and why it's bad that they like it. There is a HUGE difference between saying "here is why I don't like this" and saying "no one should ever like this!"

Fandom has etiquette, including tagging things appropriately, but the flip side of that is the understanding that tagging is a privilege, not a right. Fandom functions on the assumption that we are each looking out for one another by tagging content appropriately, but the second part of that assumption is that we do not tell one another what to do - if someone breaks rule number 1, then you decide if that bothers you or not. You cannot force them to comply, but you can block their ass. This is only tangentially related, but still relevant. It's still part of the whole "you are in control of your own experience" rule that we all live by.

I guess the whole point of this is to say: live and let live, y'all.

If someone draws a boundary, respect that.

Learn how to draw your own boundaries.

Stop being so freaking stuck on canon because that is not why we are here.

And have a gay gay gay gay day.

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I’ve been in sjm fandoms for seven book releases and I have never experienced this thing, where a portion of the fandom seems to have read a completely different book than the rest of us.

And this isn’t even just about ships, it’s about Nesta and the IC, too.

Is it because we’re farther along into the series and people have their minds made up about who will be endgame or which characters they (dis)like and so they read with those things in mind? 

It’s just wild.

I honestly have to ask, was it like this for Throne of Glass too?

No!

I joined ToG later, when EoS came out. But the big discussion then was if rowaelin was or wasn’t abusive, and that was mainly coming from sjm antis, if I remember correctly. We definitely had different favorite characters and ships and disagreements about those, but none of those were based on a completely different interpretation of what the books said? People weren’t trying to go back to CoM or HoF or something to rewrite history?

But now it’s like you can point to a character and people will have WILDLY different interpretations of that character, to the point where they might as well have read different books. I don’t understand 😭

I think after acowar there was this much activity but it was all different things that kinda exploded and people got tired and left fandom.

Some examples of the “discussions” that were had and had people on both sides....

- Mor and azriel and the death of moriel

- Mor coming out and if it was or wasn’t ok or genuine.

- ace characters being described as the bad guys. (Unsure if ace - of if interpretation.

- death pact being fucking dumb.

- rhys should have died

- amren should have died

- why did the Suriel have to die? What was the point of all these old characters and now they are just dead.

- the war seemed anticlimactic - enemies were easier to kill than originally thought.

- why wasn’t there more nessian on the page!

- the plot was bad/unwieldy

Um I know there is more. But the debates around the first few were super heated.

A lot of the Mor debate had personal stuff too and people’s own experiences so it was a lot of people invalidating eachother which isn’t great. I think now we are at this sort of acceptance that everyone has different experiences and while some of us would have loved Mor’s story to be a little different was have accepted that this is canon and her life story.

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YALL

A crackship does not mean a non-canon ship

A crackship means it’s incredibly, highly unlikely. Two characters who are from different universes or are different species or one is dead. Like Elain/Bryaxis or Eris/Papa Archeron or Elain/Fenrys.

Gwynriel is not a crackship. Nor is e*riel. Neither of them are canon because they aren’t in relationships, but they are not crackships because they are both plausible.

This has been your fandom PSA.

Are you telling me Rowcan and Cazriel would never happen? Coz I have to disagree.

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Anonymous asked:

Can you think of any acotar theories from a few years ago that now seem very weird/wild?

I know of ones that turned out to be untrue and on the one hand I’m glad, and on the other hand mad

1) there was an idea that Mor was a SA survivor at the hands of her family. Nope, not true, no thanks! Got confirmation that wasn’t true in acowar.

2) When acowar came out some people were like “this death bargain is the worst thing ever” but I was like “no y’all, it’s okay, it’s nbd they just don’t want to live without each other”

Cue acosf 🤡 🤡 🤡 

I can’t think of any ToG theories... anyone have others to add? Maybe @rayonfrozenwings remembers some from either series the turned out to be untrue

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@sjm-fantheoryarchive has a collection of some. But I honestly can’t remember. A lot of my theories are neither proven or disproven lol.

I still want to know if truth teller is like the subtle knife but every damn book I just have more questions than answers.

I feel like “the worlds being linked” has been canon since koa and people can suck it. Hahahhahaha (whoops my bad - sorry not sorry).

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Hi Rinaa, I just wanted to ask, because I've seen a couple of people mention it: what's the old guard of the fandom? I've been here for like two years and I hadn't seen up until recently...

It’s funny you ask this ‘nonnie because I literally only saw this term used the other day HAHA I’m assuming it’s meant for the fandom oldies from early on in the series 🤣 Soooooo @rhysand-vs-fenrys @bookofmirth @aelin-godkiller @cassianandfenrysaremyboyos I wanna also say @feysandfeels ? I’m unsure who else is still around but I definitely remember them???

Mostly, we’ve all been around long enough to have all the discussions that are being had about literally everything except ACOFAS and ACOSF since they’re new lolol. I hope (and I think?) this answers your question?? 😭

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fandom olds unite! I’ll also add @rayonfrozenwings​ and @miladyaelin​ and @technotzar​ Even if they aren’t/weren’t as active, they’ve been around for a while too! 

I joined in late 2016 so if there is an argument about tog or acotar, we’ve probably seen it unless it’s specifically about acosf, like Rina said! I didn’t know people were using this term, though…. was it old guard (derogatory)

The fandom has been through a lot of iterations and we’re the ones who refuse to leave ha

Are we sure it’s not tog and tog acronym crossover? I’ve been getting lots of “the old guard” from that Netflix movie when I follow tog. Hahahaha I haven’t seen the term otherwise.

But yes. I’m an Oldie by fandom standards.

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Idk if the fandom has changed that much or if y’all changed to acosf urls or what but I feel like I have no idea who people in the fandom are anymore. You’ve either been here 4+ years or you’re brand new and there is no in-between.

Let’s all do a get to know you thing only instead of a/s/l it’s ships and type of content you like/create. What other series and authors does everyone read?

Hahahhahahahaha (?) - remember when there was a special emoji code for a/s/l? Or is that just me.

Url: rayonfrozenwings (same as the start)

Joined SJM fandom in September 2016.

I started with theories, then fan fic, then edits with memes inbetween.

Ships: Elorcan and Nessian otp’s /faves

Have links on my nav page to side blogs and other hyperfixations. 😂

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Something I find interesting about fandom discourse is that it reveals a lot about ourselves, our personal boundaries. So if I say “I feel X way about Nesta’s drinking” then that’s largely because of my own experiences. If I say I’m pissed at how Rhys acts towards people who have hurt Feyre in some way, that’s also because of my personal, negative experiences with something similar.

Basically that’s how we can disagree and still have good discussions. What I do and don’t accept from a story is largely based on what I do and don’t accept irl and so maybe we should keep that in mind, that we all have reactions for personal reasons, and it’s not always that other people just have annoying opinions.

Yup. It’s often why I say things like - “I feel” or “I see”, because I get that not everyone will think the same things. Telling people their interpretation is wrong is where the drama starts - being open to listening to why something is a certain way is one of the things I love about fandom.

I’m often willing to listen to all sides just don’t attack me as a person or say things like “if you think xyz you are awful”.

I’m also a chronic flip flopper because I don’t see all sides of a thing straight away and hearing other people’s thoughts opens up my mind to new ideas.

I am also chaotic. I love shit posts. I love meta. I love theories even if implausible because why not? I will find all the worst points and then say - but I love them. Hahaha. That’s fandom I guess. Not everyone is like me - I get that too, but making sure we are respectful of eachother is the most important thing.

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Jfc someone saying “this character is a person of color and here’s all the textual evidence” does not equate to them limiting your reading or ruining your fan experience.

Fandom is fun and cool, have your head canons all day but that doesn’t change the fact that some things are FACTS presented by the text.

Some things within a text are just not debatable.

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Also, someone’s race is... actually important. It changes the way that they experience the world, it changes they way that others interact with them, it either limits or expands their potential for success, and it changes their cultural and historical context.

Saying you don’t see race or that it isn’t important is a very 90s liberal hot take that completely ignores the fact that yeah... race does impact all of those aspects of people’s lives. Whether you want to see it or not. It exists.

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Leslie! Tell me your thoughts on death of the author and fandoms engaging with texts in that manner vs. it as a type of serious analysis- as a medievalist i have Issues™ w completely killing the author b/c often you can't do any decent analysis w/ out considering purpose of the work/social historical context it was written in. It's like if I'm going to be analyzing rape narratives in Chaucer it probably is important to note that he was accused of rape. As a fan I also have issues with it!

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Okay! This will be long! 

I think people on tumblr read “the death of the author” and think “that means I, the reader, can do whatever I want!” 

Nope!

Like fandom doesn’t have to engage in Literary Criticism to any extent whatsoever, but it annoys me when they pretend like they have theoretical backing to say, sometimes literally, “I understand canon better than the author does”. 

Nope!

I have the same instinct when thinking about literature. For context, I did my first BA in English literature, then studied a lot of French literature, and have taken four (five? undergrad and grad-level) classes that focused solely on critical theory, paired with every lit class I took that uses it. It’s been a while though, so bear with me.

When Roland Barthes wrote The Death of the Author, he was (ha context is important, see!) in the midst of New Criticism. New Criticism felt that you could basically ignore context and find the True Meaning of something via close reading. This close reading would reveal to us the unity of the text, and therefore that True Meaning, independent of what the author wanted us to find.

It didn’t last very long, because hi! Context matters. His argument was that the reader is going to interpret what they will, whether that’s what the author intended or no, and that it’s not possible to know what the reader intended. No one has done this since the 1970s, because they realized that we do need to understand more than just the words on the page if we are to fully understand any text (this goes not just for fiction; try reading a newspaper article without understanding cultural references, without know what else is going on in the world, without knowing public figures being referenced, etc.)

However, there is something else going on here, and tbh I don’t remember if this was my professor or Barthes talking, since I didn’t finish reading S/Z ( 😴) . But Barthes was also arguing that it is the reader who makes the author in the capital A Author sense. Anyone is a writer. Not anyone is an Author, with all the gravitas that goes along with the title. The thinking here was that it is up to us, as readers, to decide how much power we give to a writer. (Also someone correct me if I’m wrong, like I said, long time.)

But, ironically, fandom doesn’t have ANY OF THAT CONTEXT when they say death to the author. They don’t understand that this idea was reactionary, that it came about because of this wild shifting back and forth from “the text is the only thing” to “the author intent matters most”. Barthes was sitting there thinking, well what about the f*cking reader? Don’t our interpretations matter? 

And yes! They do! But not any more or less than what the author intended, or where the author was born, or how they grew up (culturally, socioeconomically, etc.) or what was happening politically at the time. You cannot go into a literature class today and try to talk about a text without 1) an understanding of its context, or 2) evidence to back up your interpretation.

The working theory now, and this agrees with culture studies such as feminism, critical race theory, etc. is that we need both. We need to know who the author was, to understand what they intended, but to also understand how we read the text and why we have that interpretation (IE who are we?) There are some interesting parallels here with rhetoric and whether or not a text actually achieves what it sets out to do. If someone write a poem about environmental racism and I completely miss the racist references, does that mean it’s not about environmental racism? No! That means I didn’t understand what the author intended. That doesn’t mean that I am allowed to rewrite… reality, basically. But I had a reading that was specific to me as an individual, as someone who largely lives as a white person and doesn’t see race with the lens a POC does.

What’s really interesting about this - to me, at least - is that this Death of the Author grab that fandom has latched onto is happening simultaneously with cries for more diversity, Own Voices, supporting marginalized authors, etc. You can’t… you can’t say Death to the Author while also saying that it’s important that we read authors of color, or queer authors, or non-American authors, or women. If the author doesn’t matter, then their race and sexuality doesn’t matter, where they grew up doesn’t matter, no one would be pissed at Mackenzi Lee for writing a story about a trans man when she is not, herself, a trans man. (If she were a trans man, would we just say hey, that’s his experience and everyone’s is different? IDK, it’s complex. Point is, her identity and intent and process does, in fact, matter.) (I think this is my best paragraph lol.)

IDK, maybe it’s like a weird difference between author identity and authorial intent. Because we are going to have our own interpretations no matter what the author wanted us to read, but the author themselves is outside of our interpretation, and does, whether we like it or not, have an effect on how/why they wrote. Imagine trying to separate Toni Morrison’s blackness from her work because a reader might be white. The nerve. The audacity. 

It takes some weird intellectual wrangling for someone to say “I’m going to critique the portrayal of queer characters in this book, but it doesn’t matter if I read any queer authors or if this author is queer.” Like……. what? 

Also, any interpretation needs evidence from the text. Plain and simple. You can’t say “I read X as Y,” if you can’t even find X in the text.

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Friends! I want to say again thanks for sending me all these asks, especially lately!

I also want to remind you that whatever I post here are purely my thoughts and reactions. You don’t have to agree with everything I say. I remember when I first started in this fandom, I got really frustrated that it seemed like a few people dominated the conversation. I set out to try to be an open place where anyone could share their opinions and it would be given as much attention as people with “big” blogs. 

Now almost two years and a lot more followers later… I just want to remind you guys of that! Because a lot of you are newer and may not remember that time, or maybe feel like you can’t contradict me. So uh… yeah! I love you *mwah*

Boost - just coz it's true, Leslie's a pretty nice human (well - so we assume, it is the internet, she could be a cat) and yea, it's nice seeing discourse in fandom without getting shot down all the time. Not shading anyone with that (because i haven't been on my dash that much to see it, just a point).

Just saying it's nice for open conversations about the good the bad and the ugly. 💕😊

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Reblog if you’re an active Throne of Glass or A Court of Thorns and Roses account, as of September 2018.

A follow back would be appreciated, but its not a necessity, just wanting to connect with more accounts :)

I’m still around— I’m just on the DL because I don’t want KoA Spoilers. ❤️❤️❤️

Mood Megan! 💕💕💕 haha.

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