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Queerly Autistic

@queerly-autistic / queerly-autistic.tumblr.com

Erin (she/her). Author of 'Queerly Autistic: The Ultimate Guide for LGBTQIA+ Teens on the Spectrum'. 30s. Autistic. Queer. Fat. Fangirl. This is mostly a fandom space (full of gay pirates and angels and demons and other messy little neurodivergent queers I've picked up along the way)
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I've been turning over the 'boyfriends' deleted scene in my head all day, rotating it gently in my hands to get a good look at it from all angles, trying to figure out why it hit me in such an emotional place, and I realised it's because it's so...young?

It just perfectly captures that wonder and surprise and joyfulness of being in love for the first time, and realising that you can suddenly use words like 'boyfriend' and they mean something tangible to you - testing out the language and definitions of your relationship for the first time and being absolutely giddy with it all.

And the fact that it's two middle aged men, who have both been on their own specifically queer journeys, gives it a whole other layer of meaning and importance.

As queer people, so many of us were denied the opportunity to have these experiences when we were kids; standing on the sidelines and watching our peers go through all these rites of passage, whilst never quite able to reach out and touch it ourselves. And I think many of us live in perpetual fear that because we didn't to get to have this as kids, then we've missed out, and we will never get the chance to have those experiences in the same way.

But it isn't too late.

My mum came out as gay at 50, and I watched her go through the same thing when she met her first ever girlfriend (who is now her wife): the absolute excited youthful joy of being in love and getting to do all the things she never got a chance to do when she was younger. As a twenty year old, I was a bit annoyed and embarrassed by my mum suddenly turning into a lovesick teenager, but looking back on it now as a thirty-something, it actually makes me well up slightly thinking about how absolutely beautiful it was.

And that's why the 'boyfriend' moment puts me in such an emotional headspace. Because what this silly show did was cup my face gently in its hands and say 'it's never too late to have this'.

I'm so, so glad that we have so much representation for younger queers these days; that young queers get to see themselves represented on screen, having all these experiences that every young person deserves to have. But it's so much rarer for us to see older queers represented in this way, too. Older queers getting to have this is so important, and watching these two men in their 40s experience this, being allowed to revel in the giddy joy of first love - omg we're boyfriends! - like the happy lovesick teenagers they thought they'd forever lost the chance to be, it's just everything to me.

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The idea that part of the reason Our Flag Means Death was cancelled is because it wasn't an awards contender is not only bullshit (it's already been nominated for several, including a prestigious Peabody Award, and Max continues to run a FYC for the show as we speak), but it's also extremely damaging because it hinges the survival of queer stories (and stories that centre other underrepresented groups) on them being exceptional. NEWSFLASH: most tv shows don't get nominated for or win awards! That's why awards are such a big thing - it singles you out as the best of the best. If only Emmy-nominated shows get to be safe from cancellation, then say goodbye to 99.99% of shows. But we're not saying goodbye to 99.99% of shows, are we? And that's because this is an impossible standard that is overwhelmingly (and unfairly) applied to shows like Our Flag Means Death or Rap Sh!t or A League Of Their Own - shows that centre stories that don't fall into safe white cisheteronormative standards.

We're right back to reaffirming that old idea: that we have to be twice as good as our non-marginalised counterparts to get half the recognition. It's damaging because we as queer people deserve to have meh, entirely mid, heck, even shit, media that features our stories. There are hundreds, no, thousands, of entirely mediocre stories out there for white cisallohet abled people that get recommissioned season after season, despite never even coming close to award nominations or critical and audience acclaim, and yet they'll cut down extremely popular, critically acclaimed shows centring marginalised stories and then go 'we had to cancel them, they weren't awards contenders'.

I personally think Our Flag Means Death is awards-worthy (and it has been nominated for awards), but y'know what? Even if it wasn't, we're allowed to have a little gay pirate romcom that doesn't win awards!

I'm fucking tired of having to be exceptional. It's exhausting. You set us an impossible bar, and then, when we get close to reaching it, you go 'oopsie daisy' and kick it even higher up. We can never, ever be good enough. And them using this rationalisation as a reason for cancelling shows like Our Flag Means Death just serves to reinforce this endless game of exceptionalism that we have to play in order to earn the scraps of humanity they're willing to give us.

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I don't think I'll ever be emotionally over the beautiful queer journey represented by these two kisses.

Firstly, we have Stede, a repressed gay man who has probably never even entertained the idea of loving a man, being kissed by a man for the first time and (although enjoying it) clearly being a little bit stunned and nervously keeping his hands down because he has no idea what to do with them.

And then we have Stede a few months later, the very next time he gets a chance to kiss that same man, having gone on such a journey of self-discovery that he's absolutely figured out who he is, and what he wants, and this time he's ready to grab what he wants with those same hands (literally).

Stede Bonnet is the character of all time and I could cry for thirty million years over his gorgeous arc of queer discovery, queer love, and queer joy.

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The thing is, yeah, there's more queer media now than ever before. But if OFMD were to stay canceled, it would leave a real hole. I've never seen a show quite like it before, so it does annoy me to see people out here responding to fans upset about the cancelation with "there are other gay shows."

OFMD hits a wonderful blend of having very important things to say about masculinity and the things we're taught about being a man, and it has this very particular style where it loves to showcase people that society often deems lesser, not just queer people but people of color, and it consistently presents these characters as competent and desireable, and it never, ever punches down. I love being able to sit down to watch this show and know 100% that if a character starts being a racist asshole or if they start acting homophobic, the narrative is going to punish them for it. I love knowing that the second someone says something racist, they're a dead man walking.

And, yeah, there are other shows that feature queer characters, but I've still never seen one do it like OFMD. I'm old enough to be fucking sick of my only queer media options being teenage coming-out stories and trauma porn. That stuff is fine if it's what you want, I just wanted something else for a change! And I love how in OFMD queer is the default in a way that is thoughtful and joyful, I love how it gives us queer stories that don't just focus on the same tired coming-out narrative.

It's such a kind show. It gives me a lot of hope, because things are kinda fucking terrible in the world right now, and OFMD takes you by the hand and it tells you that it's never too late to start working towards a life you love and a more authentic version of yourself, and at the end of the day you can at least help your community and the people you love. OFMD is a thoughtfully-written show that treats its audience with a lot of respect. If we do lose it, I think that'll be a terrible loss.

Also, I'm tired of being told not to be sad when queer media gets cancelled because 'hey, here's this (relatively short) list of other queer media!' as if we don't deserve the widest and most diverse range of queer media possible. Yes, there is other queer media that exists, but I love this one - it's an important part of a wide tapestry of different queer stories, a tapestry that we deserve to enjoy. Queer media is miles away from being on a par with cisallohet stories in terms of the diversity of stories we are allowed to have, so every single one we lose - particularly one that is both so diverse and doing something different like OFMD - is a massive loss. Every single one we lose contributes to the thinning of that diversity, and restricting the variety of queer stories that we as queer people are able to access.

'Don't be upset because there are other queer stories available' feels very much like 'stop whining and enjoy the scraps that are available to you'. And I reject that. I reject that we as queer people have to subsist on scraps. I will never be happy with just scraps, ever again, because I've experienced what it's like to have more. OFMD showed me that we deserve that.

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People in other fandom are criticising the 1st gentlebeard kiss again, and I think we need to discuss how this is the result of oversexualation in queer media

I’m assuming that other fandom refers to the Canyon? I’ve mostly either blocked or been blocked by them, it seems, which is perfectly fine by me. They don’t want to see me and I don’t want to see them.

I’ve written, as have others, about how there’s a clear progression to those kisses, from the very tentative sweetness of the first and the absolute confidence of the last. In that beach scene, Ed can barely get out what he wants to say, and Stede doesn't immediately clock what it means (because he's dealing with that initial emotion of "I make...you...happy?"). I’m not sure what was wanted with the first kiss? Like, full-on snog? How would that make sense to either of those characters at that point? It might even have looked like assault, since Stede is obviously surprised and not quite expecting it. The fact that it is gentle and unsure is part of their relationship - they’re figuring out who they are to each other, and Ed especially is being so careful about how he does it.

In terms of oversexualization generally...I'm not a queer media scholar or critic, though I've done work with queer theory and I know a lot of Hollywood history. So much of mainstream queer media was initially about subtext and suffering - characters that were typed as queer without being made explicitly so (because they literally couldn't), stories that treated queerness as a mental illness or that ended in death and destruction. So there's been a natural pushback against all that, often outside the mainstream and then more into the mainstream now. I think there was also a desire to shock the straight world, hence things like John Waters's films, Rocky Horror, etc. (not knocking these - I fuckin' love 'em), which are also in conversation with pornography.

With Our Flag Means Death and a handful of other shows and films (Good Omens, A League of Their Own, Heartstopper, etc.) there's been major movement forward, in part because there are more queer writers/artists/creators getting a say in mainstream texts. But there's still that fear of assimilation - because mainstream. So there's a cadre that will demand that if it's queer, it's gotta be explicit. It's gotta shock the straights. Which leads, eventually, to a sanding away of complicated emotions and nuance and not allowing characters or plots to progress in an organic way. There has to be space for sexualization if it's natural to the story, but it can't be forced.

I would absolutely have been upset if all we ever got was that beach kiss, and all we ever saw was Ed and Stede barely kissing each other. That wouldn't have made sense to the story that was being told. I even remember messaging my friend after "Curse of the Seafaring Life" that I was glad they "finally got a proper kiss." And looking back, even then, I was pretty much thinking that that's all we were gonna get, because I've been so conditioned to just expect crumbs in mainstream media. (Also, like, I remember very well how Ellen lost her sitcom when she came out, how people had an absolute fit about Will & Grace featuring a nonromantic same-sex kiss, and how all the interviews around Brokeback Mountain were along the lines of "how terribly uncomfortable was it to kiss a dude?!" So the idea of two straight actors maybe possibly not being grossed out by kissing each other is relatively new, in terms of media history.)

I think some of this is a desire for all queer media to be all things. That if any show doesn’t do ALL THE THINGS, then it is bad and problematic. And that’s just not the nature of art. It would be awful if they tried to do all the things. It wouldn’t work. But that's also a result of having so little explicitly queer stuff, especially from mainstream shows/films, that when something like OFMD or Good Omens comes along, it gets picked apart and people are upset that it didn't do all the things. The more queer stories there are, the less we'll have to depend on single works and the less infighting there will be.

Well, there, I wrote way too much. This is all very complicated and I'm not trying to pretend that it's easy to distill down or that I'm 100% right here. I'd be happy to hear other opinions or caveats (that are not "no, I love Izzy, therefore you're wrong").

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Not an opinion on the show's kisses, BUT there are shows out there that show passion and romance, so it. Is. INTERESTING that they never seem to get mentioned in the lineup.

Shows like POSE and P-Valley. Interview With The Vampire...to just name a few.

Yes, very good point (I always forget about Interview, and I admit I've never watched POSE). That's my point, though - the broader the spectrum of queer stories, the better. That means that no single show or even group of shows (or films) will have to bear the burden of doing ALL THE THINGS.

I do find it interesting that I've seen all of Ed and Stede's kisses get singled out for this sort of criticism - yes, the first kiss is a little awkward, but realistically and normally so for where those characters are; it's a perfectly fine kiss - despite the fact that I can't spot much of a functional difference between their kisses and any of the other kisses in the show. This is just the standard level of kissing that happens in the show, and that's absolutely fine - OFMD isn't Queer as Folk, and it's not trying to be, and it shouldn't have to be. The idea that if it's not all open-mouthed tongue-kissing it's somehow desexualised or not passionate does, I worry, bely an oversexualisation with queer media that makes me inherently uncomfortable, and plays into the oversexualisation of queer people more generally. I know plenty of people - of all sexualities and genders - who kiss like Ed and Stede kiss, and so I'm consistently baffled by this idea that these kisses are awkward or unrealistic or somehow devoid of passion because their mouths aren't open enough (also I need to know who got the tape measure out and became judge, jury and executioner on that particular standard). I also think there is an interesting projection that sometimes comes into play when the actors involved in a queer pairing are (presumed) cishet. I've been in the very interesting position of seeing queer kisses in a piece of media get criticised with this exact presumption, with people going on and on about how the actor was straight and was obviously uncomfortable with queer kissing, all whilst personally knowing that the actor in question was actually queer (they just had no interest in sharing anything about their private life publicly, and honestly, good for them). And yet this awkwardness was projected onto what were perfectly good, fine, natural kisses, all because the fandom had assumed this person was straight and projected the idea that therefore it must be awkward onto the kisses. And for some reason this projection and presumption around cishet actors is only overcome if they go full in with tongues and chomping on each other's faces - even though it's perfectly good and fine and normal to kiss in other ways too - almost as if they have to overcompensate as the only way to prove that they're actually fine and not grossed out by this. Whilst I understand the important representation of having queer actors in queer roles (although will never demand it, because we've seen what comes from that, with actors being forced to out themselves), I do wonder if some of this particular projection/presumption is based in the subconscious idea that queerness is this uniquely nebulous unknowable thing that is inherently uniquely disgusting for anybody who isn't queer, and therefore cishet actors (particularly cishet men) must be inherently unable to perform it realistically (despite snogging people you're not personally attracted to being something actors of all sexualities and genders do all the time). And that's something I think we need to sit down and interrogate pretty hard.

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