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The idea that male and female do not present as two neutral, equal human variations, but that there is some default, sexless human body is worrying. The idea that sex is composed of a series of parts that we can refigure at will. The idea that before puberty, we are sexless and able to be molded. The idea that natural puberty is as unnatural and irreversible as a synthetic one. This idea is deeply anti-human- how is no one seeing this??

I don’t think transgender people themselves should be called gross, or mutilated or monsters, I do not think transitioning itself somehow ruins someone, I am not talking about them or their bodies, but the ideology. How are people not realizing how pseudoscientific and hateful this rhetoric is becoming? The idea that sex is a series of parts, that somehow we are naturally sexless, that our bodies are not complete and connected wholes, is increasingly becoming part of the transgender movements rhetoric? The body as parts. People with utererus, people with prostates, people with penises. We are all just a series of commodities, to be bought and sold, our human bodies are the enemy, our male and female forms are aberrations, mistakes that were forced on our sexless default. We exist beyond our body. We are more than our body. To define ourself by our body is reductive, dehumanizing. And, of course, the biggest voice against this currently is right-wing, but not because of their pro-human stance, because they think that our bodies belong to god. They were the ones who got us here in the first place! The idea that our bodies aren’t ‘us’ but are merely limitations, the idea that the female body in particular is grotesque, only for breeding, bleeding, serving, penetrating. I’m scared at how further this is going to go.

Imagine sincerely believing that this specimen is a woman and justifying his right to go into female-only spaces. And watch people try to "no true Scotsman" their way out of this one. If that's not a real transwoman then what really are the criteria?

This is in fact what everyone is thinking, yes. And policing language more won’t make it stop.

This article is actually kind of interesting. The fact that pronoun-ed people basically feel terrorized and dehumanized by exactly what they asked for is hilarious. The author speaks about people not GIVING AF about actually getting to know but just making sure they don't become the perpetrator of misgendering crimes for which they will have to pay. If your ideal world (self-proclaimed gender is king and showed utmost deference) makes you feel this shitty what does that say about the ideal you imagined? "I can’t help but think that the walking-on-eggshells battle for pronouns is turning my gender into a human-resources-approved corporate product, more neutered than neutral, and, maybe above all else, profoundly unromantic. Next time, just call me by my name." This is also so funny because that's exactly what it is. The human resource-approved corporate product of what would otherwise be actual gender justice. Corporate entities 100% prefer to ask "what are your pronouns" to men with eyeliner on 1 million times a day than actually do anything that genuinely threatens male hegemony. It's interesting that they are feeling the effects of it but still can't understand where it's coming from. Many of the nonbinary people I’ve spoken with recently feel similarly underwater. For some, there’s a sense that constantly asking about pronouns is a way for straight people to virtue-signal their wokeness. Ben, who previously worked for a company where putting pronouns in email signatures was the status quo, told me that when they switched jobs to a less self-consciously progressive organization, their co-workers quit getting them wrong. The unwoke, without all that lefty pressure, were simply less worked up about it. Another person phrased their experience this way: “It’s constantly straight people freezing up and stressing out. Like, How do I be an ally?” There is nothing enjoyable, in other words, about being a small-talk roadblock. “I can’t relax because you can’t relax. It makes it not fun for me,” said Beau, talking about their experience with pronoun culture at work. Sam, another nonbinary person present for the conversation, told me they don’t always insist upon their pronouns in the office for exactly these reasons: “Although the people I work with are very nice, they’re also 45-year-old women who are gonna fuck up and make it super-awkward when they fuck up. ‘Oh my God. I didn’t mean that.’ ‘Oh my God. I’m so sorry.’ ‘Oh my God. Are you offended?’ I don’t want to deal with that.” These days, it feels as if an identity that, not long ago, felt unique to me in most rooms I entered has gone mass. Yes, part of what I’m personally upset about is the fact that this thing I loved isn’t so alt anymore. But more than that, it feels as if pronoun culture has contributed to nonbinary becoming just the third gender after male and female, more static and concrete than its original fluid intentions. The same nonbinary person who complained about nonbinary stereotypes lamented to me, “I don’t want to be a homogeneous normcore mashing of the two genders.” Ben hoped, “If man or woman can mean so many things, then so can nonbinary.” We all became nonbinary to escape gendered expectations, and now we’re stuck again. I can’t help but think that the walking-on-eggshells battle for pronouns is turning my gender into a human-resources-approved corporate product, more neutered than neutral, and, maybe above all else, profoundly unromantic. Next time, just call me by my name.

that excerpt from the article is such a fucking yikes. how do you read it and not hear a group of profoundly entitled, narcissistic attention seekers with 0 real world problems. ‘oh this made me special and now it doesn’t’ SIR YOU ARE A FULLY GROWN ADULT this is so fucking cringe.

also lol at the ‘we became nonbinary…to escape bla bla bla’- so you admit it? being nonbinary isnt some kind of magical innate thing that you ‘always were’, its a deliberate conscious choice?

As a woman from a muslim family with a waziri pashtun father that prohibited me from appearing on windows, going out on the garden and going to male doctors even when I was on the verge of dying, hearing that trans women experience misogyny and cultural/religious oppression always makes me laugh.

White people always cry to me “why are so many ex Muslims transphobic terfs? 🥺”

Identifying as a woman didn’t make me forced to wear the hijab, being a woman did

Female oppression is sex based, not gender based. So the group erasing the definition of sex and protections for women will obviously will never appeal to us …

Watching so many Desi, Arab, African, Indonesian, Malay woman and girls be victims of extreme physical, sexual, emotional violence for existing and then hearing privileged white men crying about not being able to cut their dicks off or hearing the right pronouns will never garner my sympathy lmao… you couldn’t last one minute raised as a Muslim girl

(Also everyone bullying this girl in the comments can fuck off and die, your arguments make zero sense💀)

I really don’t think it’s transphobic to say gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It isn’t the same thing as when they classified homosexuality as mental illness. Because apart from facing homophobia, nothing else about being homosexual is distressing to us.

But with gender dysphoria the individual has distress and discomfort with being their sex that causes them to feel depressed amongst other things.

Your brain telling you that the body it resides in is "wrong" is the epitome of mental illness. We recognize the brain telling an underweight person that they're obese as a severe mental illness. We recognize the brain telling you that your leg doesn't belong to you so you should cut it off as a severe mental illness. Your brain telling you that you should cut off/out healthy body parts and take wrong-sex hormones to mimic the opposite sex is definitely a severe mental illness.

If your brain is selling you a fiction and that causes the desire to self-harm, that is the very definition of mental illness.

And there is nothing morally wrong with having any sort of illness, disease, or disorder. But if you are seeking medical care for something, that "something" needs to be medicalized. That's the difference between homosexuality and transgenderism: gay people don't want to be treated any differently, while trans people do.

I think part of the reason that "misgendering" a trans person is seen as such a horrific crime is because transgender ideology upholds sexist gender roles and steeotypes.

Under a gender critical theory, saying a trans man is a woman is no different than saying a female horse is a mare. It goes no further and implies nothing else. But when you attribute certain aspects to sex, then suddenly calling a trans man a woman implies a whole host of other things- now its something to be offended at.

Rather than remove the stereotypes from the sex, trans ideology has removed the sex from the stereotypes.

Opinions?

Indigenous people in my country traditionally believed that one of our islands was fished up by Maui. Are y'all gonna go yell at geologists for saying where it really came from? Or is it just feminists y'all are keen to silence?

My dad's culture believed up until quite recently that adopting a child was betraying your own family...should I have told him that I actually didn't want him to adopt me when I was a kid, thanks but no thanks??

Not only is this the Noble Savage stereotype, but every single time they bring up the mysterious “third gender” indigenous beliefs, I research it and find it’s literally always just a derogatory slur for effeminate homosexual males

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Shocking. Absolutely shocking. My flabbers are gasted, I tell you.

Me, walking down the street: "No?"

Continues walking down the street, unbothered by this banner that has nothing to do with radical feminism.

You’re so right and you shouldn’t hide it in the tags. It feels like when a child insists they’re Superman, or a rabbit.

by calling historically ‘masculine’ women trans (i.e. joan of arc, mulan), it only perpetuates the idea that heroism, strength, and success are male traits

Living for this in the replies

why can’t you see yourself in a masculine woman? why does she have to be a man in order for you to see yourself in her?

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, and like all other mental illnesses the best road to treatment often is long and tiring. Treating HRT & cosmetic surgery as a bandaid for everyone with gender dysphoria is delusional when in any other case a doctor wouldn't suggest spending thousands to massively alter your body as a means to treat your mental condition.

An ethical approach to treatment should be one step at a time, and it should take work, it should take effort, and it will be so much more worth it than permanently changing your body and risking medical complications due to a mental health condition. Some trans people need to transition if no other treatment helps, but I really think therapy would solve most of the new cases of gender dysphoria we see springing up in young adults, teens, or even children. Treatment should be the lowest harm first, progressing to more extreme measures (like transition) once other options have failed, not transition first and then therapy for years after to solve the issues transitioning never really fixed.

ha yeah sorry i don't actually find it funny that one of the grosser misogynistic slurs is now a meme-y way of saying stylish. yes i know, i know. australia and drag queens exist. and getting offended isn't very reclaimful or demure of me. or whatever.

If you're new to radical feminism, please don't feel turned away because you feel like you're not a perfect example of the ideology. I don't want any woman to feel turned away from radical feminism simply because she's not "strong enough" to change overnight. Giving up makeup after wearing it every day since highschool is hard. Removing sexist slurs from your vocabulary when you used to say them very casually is hard. Not shaving after doing it since puberty to avoid being bullied is hard. After years and years of performing in these ways and being praised for it, it takes active effort to give it all up for the sake of your new found understanding of feminism. Stripping yourself of all these things the patriarchy deems good brings up so much raw emotion and anxiety. It can be easy to mess up when you've been doing these things for potentially over a decade. If you're trying your absolute best to change, putting in a consistent and conscious effort, then a "relapse" doesn't undo all the work you've done. Keep pushing forward, keep learning, and keep doing better. You deserve to revoke the patriarchy's hold on you.

Also in addition to actual racism, there’s:

*Radfems calling out Indian men for the gang rape and murder of Dr Moumita Debnath (and the harshest posts have tended to be by South Asian women)

*Radfems calling out Islam for its misogyny, particularly after the Taliban recently stripped away even more rights from Afghan women (again, many of the harshest posts are by women from Islamic cultures)

*Radfems calling out South Korean men for their sexual depravity against women (again, many of those radfems are East Asian)

*Radfems calling out the debacle with Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting which TRAs love to pretend is just a matter of racism

There’s real racism but there are also a LOT of cases where TRAs and MRAs are accustomed to invoking racism in order to shut down criticisms of misogyny and radfems are the ones who would rather risk being called racist than let the misogyny slide.

Nearly every single liberal feminist I talk to denies that Islam is oppressive and plays a condescending white savior tune when I bring up what happened to me and other women that refused to comply to religious submission. TRAs compare black and brown women to men constantly and use woc as scapegoats and punching bags to justify white men having misogynistic fetishes.

I’m sorry but dealing with that bullshit is a thousand times more annoying than a few radfems on here using conservative talking points when trying to make a not well researched take down of middle eastern men.

There was a huge radblr-spanning discussion a few months ago because 1 radfem was racist and a couple more agreed. It's about the average for leftist spaces. If anybody is under the impression progressive spaces are exceptionally exempt of racism and it's just a radfem issue that tells me something about them rather than those spaces.

But there's really no real reason for even addressing anything the previous posters did 'cause anybody reading some random radfem blog for 10 minutes would know this if they wanted and that anon doesn't.

When libfems and TRAs say radfems are racist, and we ask, how? They never answer with anything more substantial than "it's white feminism" or "they just are! 'cause fascism" or whatever, says the USAian who never experienced it, but whose country still enjoys the commercial benefits of having established it on nearly the entire South American continent at some point.

And what's "white feminism?" we ask, and they trip over themselves explaining how basic feminist issues that affect women of every race are actually just white women's concerns.

They call paintings of the female body, breasts, nipples, vulva, by women "white feminism". Why? What is it about the female body that's so fucking white you never associate it with women of color?

"It's cringe." Our bodies are cringe? Or just white women's? What's cringe about their bodies? Explain that without hitting the million misogynist stereotypes ballpark.

Everything radfems discuss and criticize affect women of color, usually, disproportionally. Prostitution, sex trafficking, sex tourism, thoecratic regimes and religion, [european, western] beauty standards and cosmetic industry, obstetric and reproductive violence.

We try to explain the men in our countries are no better or worse than the men in yours because decades of data shows the prevalence of sexual violence is not predicated on race and this reads as racism to you how? If you got so much colonial guilt you're paralyzed by the prospect of men of color being shit, don't worry, we don't! We live with them, we can tell. You can just sit this one out if you can't stomach it.

What is it then? What's a radfem ideological stance that's exclusively by and for white women?

And if there even is one, how is ONE or TWO or EVEN THREE if you can whip it up, supposed to whitewash EVEYTHING else? If a couple "whitey topics" out of dozens is enough to erase us in your opinion then again it seems to be rather a you problem.

I do not understand where they get "white feminism" from if not directly from their own pink little assholes.

Y'all wish you looked that amazing. It's so much harder for a woman to have and maintain her muscle mass than it is for a male, that's why. She's also probably much shorter than the average male, and even if she's not...she's not male. Stop comparing butch women to men.

how is "look at this butch lesbian who works out... and u think males in female sport shouldnt be allowed?" even like... connected in any way

mask off misogyny yet again from a tra. a masculine woman with muscles? comparable to a male.

shes literally been documenting her working out journey for YEARS. this is years of work being reduced to her having some sort of innate advantage over other women. these misogynists seriously believe women cannot grow muscles & if we do then it means we have some kind of advantage over other women with muscles? ridiculous

straight people really hit the jackpot when they tricked y'all into believing they’re the most oppressed group ever when they came up with trans gay men and trans lesbians

Have you considered the fact that you can literally just ignore it if you don’t like it because it is not affecting you in the absolute least? Have you considered acting like an adult and acknowledging that you don’t, and will never, know everything?

Have you considered the fact that trans women, especially of color, are being murdered at a higher rate than any other minority? Regardless of what your opinion on transness is, if you think it’s okay for innocent people to be murdered for their self-expression, you’re soulless. If you think being murdered for their self expression isn’t oppression, you don’t fucking know what oppression is.

have you considered that heterosexual pretending to be gay absolutely affects gay ppl? have you considered acting like an adult and realizing other ppl will stand up to bigotry and appropriation bc nobody has the right to do whatever they want?

have you considered the fact you just made up that statistic? the murder rate of same sex attracted trans women of color sex workers in the global south is high, but isn’t equal to other population groups including rohingya muslims or native american women. the very same report found their murder rate the same as female sex workers in brazil. why are you lying?

they aren’t being murdered for their self-expression. they’re murdered over homophobia and the vulnerability of impoverished, sexually exploited people. and they aren’t the ones pretending to be gay and harassing gay ppl for not being opposite sex attracted like them so there’s no reason to bring them up on this post about narcissistic middle class white kids. nobody’s murdered for using they/them pronouns, having blue hair, and being a female who calls herself a faggot.