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David J Prokopetz

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do you have any opinions of conlangs like at all

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I think studying conlangs has been edifying because it's helped to put into perspective that a lot of the things that annoy me about the English language are probably just inherent features of the act of communication. It's one thing to be told in academic terms that all communicative acts will necessarily express certain shortcomings, and quite another to see it illustrated via demonstration that, oh, a lot of people who are way more autistic than I am have been trying for hundreds of years to invent a language that doesn't have these problems and met with comprehensive failure!

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Like, it's legitimately difficult to hang onto that whole "I bet The Neurotypicals™ do [thing] because they're just evil" business when you're staring down the barrel of a centuries-long track record of people trying to devise a way of talking to other people that doesn't do [thing] and hilariously fucking it up each and every time.

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whilomm

got any good conlangs that try to do the opposite. "communication sucks lets make it worse" type beats.

Oh, yeah, there's a whole recognised category of conlangs for that. One of my personal favourites is Oou, a (quoting Wikipedia) "deliberately ambiguous and polysemous language whose writing system is made up entirely of punctuation marks and whose phoneme inventory is made up entirely of vowels".

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al-gatone

Kay(f)bop(t), a constructed language in which each syllable is modified by one of four hats. Speaking kay(f)bop(t) involves rapidly swapping between these hats

some folks really took this as a challenge, huh

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do you have any opinions of conlangs like at all

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I think studying conlangs has been edifying because it's helped to put into perspective that a lot of the things that annoy me about the English language are probably just inherent features of the act of communication. It's one thing to be told in academic terms that all communicative acts will necessarily express certain shortcomings, and quite another to see it illustrated via demonstration that, oh, a lot of people who are way more autistic than I am have been trying for hundreds of years to invent a language that doesn't have these problems and met with comprehensive failure!

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Like, it's legitimately difficult to hang onto that whole "I bet The Neurotypicals™ do [thing] because they're just evil" business when you're staring down the barrel of a centuries-long track record of people trying to devise a way of talking to other people that doesn't do [thing] and hilariously fucking it up each and every time.

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whilomm

got any good conlangs that try to do the opposite. "communication sucks lets make it worse" type beats.

Oh, yeah, there's a whole recognised category of conlangs for that. One of my personal favourites is Oou, a (quoting Wikipedia) "deliberately ambiguous and polysemous language whose writing system is made up entirely of punctuation marks and whose phoneme inventory is made up entirely of vowels".

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al-gatone

Kay(f)bop(t), a constructed language in which each syllable is modified by one of four hats. Speaking kay(f)bop(t) involves rapidly swapping between these hats

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prokopetz

do you have any opinions of conlangs like at all

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I think studying conlangs has been edifying because it's helped to put into perspective that a lot of the things that annoy me about the English language are probably just inherent features of the act of communication. It's one thing to be told in academic terms that all communicative acts will necessarily express certain shortcomings, and quite another to see it illustrated via demonstration that, oh, a lot of people who are way more autistic than I am have been trying for hundreds of years to invent a language that doesn't have these problems and met with comprehensive failure!

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Like, it's legitimately difficult to hang onto that whole "I bet The Neurotypicals™ do [thing] because they're just evil" business when you're staring down the barrel of a centuries-long track record of people trying to devise a way of talking to other people that doesn't do [thing] and hilariously fucking it up each and every time.

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whilomm

got any good conlangs that try to do the opposite. "communication sucks lets make it worse" type beats.

Oh, yeah, there's a whole recognised category of conlangs for that. One of my personal favourites is Oou, a (quoting Wikipedia) "deliberately ambiguous and polysemous language whose writing system is made up entirely of punctuation marks and whose phoneme inventory is made up entirely of vowels".

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do you have any opinions of conlangs like at all

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I think studying conlangs has been edifying because it's helped to put into perspective that a lot of the things that annoy me about the English language are probably just inherent features of the act of communication. It's one thing to be told in academic terms that all communicative acts will necessarily express certain shortcomings, and quite another to see it illustrated via demonstration that, oh, a lot of people who are way more autistic than I am have been trying for hundreds of years to invent a language that doesn't have these problems and met with comprehensive failure!

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Like, it's legitimately difficult to hang onto that whole "I bet The Neurotypicals™ do [thing] because they're just evil" business when you're staring down the barrel of a centuries-long track record of people trying to devise a way of talking to other people that doesn't do [thing] and hilariously fucking it up each and every time.

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do you have any opinions of conlangs like at all

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I think studying conlangs has been edifying because it's helped to put into perspective that a lot of the things that annoy me about the English language are probably just inherent features of the act of communication. It's one thing to be told in academic terms that all communicative acts will necessarily express certain shortcomings, and quite another to see it illustrated via demonstration that, oh, a lot of people who are way more autistic than I am have been trying for hundreds of years to invent a language that doesn't have these problems and met with comprehensive failure!

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While reorganising my media library I did a quick survey of word frequency in tabletop RPG titles (because I'm the sort of dweeb who thinks "hey, I should do word frequency analysis for no reason"), and while the results were largely unremarkable, it turns out I have like four different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(It was literally the only unusual word with a frequency that high, and now I'm going to be wondering why bubblegum in particular.)

Bubblegumshoe, All Out of Bubblegum, Bubblegum Crisis, Bubblegum Vampires? Did I get any or them correct?

So, it turns out I'd inadvertently missed counting All Outta Bubblegum because the folder it was in was mislabelled. I actually have five different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(The one you missed was Bubblegum Wizards, though it's admittedly arguable whether that should be counted separately from Bubblegum Vampires, seeing as they're by the same author.)

I don't believe Guardians of Order ever got their hands on the Bubblegum Crisis license; you may be thinking of the Dominion Tank Police RPG. The Bubblegum Crisis RPG was a Fuzion hack published under R Talsorian's banner.

I had no idea there was a bubblegum crisis ttrpg, gotta give it a look. The name is completely non indicative, it's originally a cyber punk anime

It just occurred to me how peculiar "no, that wasn't Bubblegum Crisis, you're probably thinking of Dominion Tank Police" must sound to anyone who doesn't know what Bubblegum Crisis is about.

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"Oh," they would think, "with a name like Bubblegum Crisis I bet it's a lighthearted funny feel-good kind of story. Sounds like fun, I should check it out when I need something warm and fuzzy to lift my spirits."

Kinda the reverse phenomenon of “I Want To Eat Your Pancreas”, which sounds like it should involve zombies or cannibals, but is instead essentially anime The Fault in Our Stars

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While reorganising my media library I did a quick survey of word frequency in tabletop RPG titles (because I'm the sort of dweeb who thinks "hey, I should do word frequency analysis for no reason"), and while the results were largely unremarkable, it turns out I have like four different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(It was literally the only unusual word with a frequency that high, and now I'm going to be wondering why bubblegum in particular.)

Bubblegumshoe, All Out of Bubblegum, Bubblegum Crisis, Bubblegum Vampires? Did I get any or them correct?

So, it turns out I'd inadvertently missed counting All Outta Bubblegum because the folder it was in was mislabelled. I actually have five different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(The one you missed was Bubblegum Wizards, though it's admittedly arguable whether that should be counted separately from Bubblegum Vampires, seeing as they're by the same author.)

I don't believe Guardians of Order ever got their hands on the Bubblegum Crisis license; you may be thinking of the Dominion Tank Police RPG. The Bubblegum Crisis RPG was a Fuzion hack published under R Talsorian's banner.

I had no idea there was a bubblegum crisis ttrpg, gotta give it a look. The name is completely non indicative, it's originally a cyber punk anime

It just occurred to me how peculiar "no, that wasn't Bubblegum Crisis, you're probably thinking of Dominion Tank Police" must sound to anyone who doesn't know what Bubblegum Crisis is about.

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rosstmcd

"Oh," they would think, "with a name like Bubblegum Crisis I bet it's a lighthearted funny feel-good kind of story. Sounds like fun, I should check it out when I need something warm and fuzzy to lift my spirits."

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While reorganising my media library I did a quick survey of word frequency in tabletop RPG titles (because I'm the sort of dweeb who thinks "hey, I should do word frequency analysis for no reason"), and while the results were largely unremarkable, it turns out I have like four different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(It was literally the only unusual word with a frequency that high, and now I'm going to be wondering why bubblegum in particular.)

Bubblegumshoe, All Out of Bubblegum, Bubblegum Crisis, Bubblegum Vampires? Did I get any or them correct?

So, it turns out I'd inadvertently missed counting All Outta Bubblegum because the folder it was in was mislabelled. I actually have five different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(The one you missed was Bubblegum Wizards, though it's admittedly arguable whether that should be counted separately from Bubblegum Vampires, seeing as they're by the same author.)

I don't believe Guardians of Order ever got their hands on the Bubblegum Crisis license; you may be thinking of the Dominion Tank Police RPG. The Bubblegum Crisis RPG was a Fuzion hack published under R Talsorian's banner.

I had no idea there was a bubblegum crisis ttrpg, gotta give it a look. The name is completely non indicative, it's originally a cyber punk anime

It just occurred to me how peculiar "no, that wasn't Bubblegum Crisis, you're probably thinking of Dominion Tank Police" must sound to anyone who doesn't know what Bubblegum Crisis is about.

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prokopetz

While reorganising my media library I did a quick survey of word frequency in tabletop RPG titles (because I'm the sort of dweeb who thinks "hey, I should do word frequency analysis for no reason"), and while the results were largely unremarkable, it turns out I have like four different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(It was literally the only unusual word with a frequency that high, and now I'm going to be wondering why bubblegum in particular.)

Bubblegumshoe, All Out of Bubblegum, Bubblegum Crisis, Bubblegum Vampires? Did I get any or them correct?

So, it turns out I'd inadvertently missed counting All Outta Bubblegum because the folder it was in was mislabelled. I actually have five different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(The one you missed was Bubblegum Wizards, though it's admittedly arguable whether that should be counted separately from Bubblegum Vampires, seeing as they're by the same author.)

I don't believe Guardians of Order ever got their hands on the Bubblegum Crisis license; you may be thinking of the Dominion Tank Police RPG. The Bubblegum Crisis RPG was a Fuzion hack published under R Talsorian's banner.

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prokopetz

While reorganising my media library I did a quick survey of word frequency in tabletop RPG titles (because I'm the sort of dweeb who thinks "hey, I should do word frequency analysis for no reason"), and while the results were largely unremarkable, it turns out I have like four different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(It was literally the only unusual word with a frequency that high, and now I'm going to be wondering why bubblegum in particular.)

Bubblegumshoe, All Out of Bubblegum, Bubblegum Crisis, Bubblegum Vampires? Did I get any or them correct?

So, it turns out I'd inadvertently missed counting All Outta Bubblegum because the folder it was in was mislabelled. I actually have five different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(The one you missed was Bubblegum Wizards, though it's admittedly arguable whether that should be counted separately from Bubblegum Vampires, seeing as they're by the same author.)

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prokopetz

While reorganising my media library I did a quick survey of word frequency in tabletop RPG titles (because I'm the sort of dweeb who thinks "hey, I should do word frequency analysis for no reason"), and while the results were largely unremarkable, it turns out I have like four different games whose titles contain the word "bubblegum".

(It was literally the only unusual word with a frequency that high, and now I'm going to be wondering why bubblegum in particular.)

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It's no secret that Google Translate's results have been getting steadily worse ever since they switched to LLM-based dictionaries, but a new thing is whenever I click "Detect Language" it now automatically sets my target language to Spanish? I'm from Saskatchewan.

(To put this into perspective for you, the top ten most common first languages in Saskatchewan are English, German, Tagalog, Cree, French, Ukrainian, Dene, Mandarin, Urdu and Punjabi, in that order. Spanish doesn't even make the list!)

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It's no secret that Google Translate's results have been getting steadily worse ever since they switched to LLM-based dictionaries, but a new thing is whenever I click "Detect Language" it now automatically sets my target language to Spanish? I'm from Saskatchewan.

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Having a character in a written work of fiction refer to sex as "coitus" doesn't really have the same punch as it does in voiced media because you don't know how many syllables it has when they say it.

COY-tus: poser trying to sound sophisticated

COH-i-tus: you are in danger

COH-i-tus sounds like a Strong Bad pronunciation in my mind…

COH-i-tus:

COY-tus:

Coh-EE-tis:

CWAH-tis:

GARBLEDINA!

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Having a character in a written work of fiction refer to sex as "coitus" doesn't really have the same punch as it does in voiced media because you don't know how many syllables it has when they say it.

COY-tus: poser trying to sound sophisticated

COH-i-tus: you are in danger

COH-i-tus sounds like a Strong Bad pronunciation in my mind…

COH-i-tus:

COY-tus:

Coh-EE-tis:

CWAH-tis:

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