"I'm endo neutral because I think a system is a system, no matter how it formed"
MATE
THATS JUST PRO ENDO. THATS LITERALLY WHAT WE THINK.
That's. That's. Not neutral. That's pro endo.
[Based off a convo I just had with a self proclaimed endo "neutral" bcs I'm genuinely so confused like what else does he think a pro endo is if not what he JUST said-?!]
pro endo culture is being afraid to tell your system friends online that you’re an endo ally because you don’t want to lose someone you can relate to as a traumagenic system
Woah too similar asks in a row!!! :0
You two anons should be friends instead /hj :3
pro endo culture is befriending a bunch of systems then being scared about being open abt being pro-endo because you don't know if it'll make them hate you
I get that. But at the same time, if they hate you for NOT hating kn others, are they rlly people you want to be friends with? No pressure obv :3
Pro endo culture is going on the systempunk tag and seeing hateful bs (We're collectively sad that it was taken over by antis). -Socks from 📺
And then those same antis say WE stole THEIR tags and spaces :(
Like. The logic isn't logicing
|| tw for fakeclaiming ||
pro endo culture is sheltering your ex host from anti endos because we were fakeclaimed when we were first /questioning/ plurality and you don't want them to go through that again
Honestly same that is so real
Pro endo culture is being mixed origin but anti endos keep saying youre fully endogenic and faking
That is SO real
Pro endo culture is ALSO being fully traumagenic but somehow in the eyes of anti endos just supporting endos makes you endogenic-
pro-endo culture is your blog getting termed bc you pissed off to many anti endos by existing/lh/silly(we used to be plural-userboxes if u could not tell)
WELCOME BACK!!! :D
So srry your blog got termed. Tumblr is fucking stupid for that tbh like- you didn't break any guidelines or ANYTHING sooo-
hiya! im not a system myself, but uh, i never rly understood the diff between endogenic, traumagenic, and all those terms, didnt rly wanna ask an anti-endo either because they'd be shitty and biased, so if its not to much to ask, could i mayhaps request some definitions or examples of different system types?
Sure! We're traumagenic ourselves, so we may not properly portray the experiences of other origins, and i suggest (/nf) asking some endogenic or other origins systems to clarify if we make a mistake! ^-^
Traumagenic: the most commonly known system origin in both medical spheres and online. This usually (but not always!) Refers to disordered systems with some sort of CDD (traumagenic systems are not always disordered though, just commonly are) who formed through intense trauma under the age of around 10.
Endogenic: mostly an umbrella term, used to describe systems who formed for some reason other than trauma. They may still have trauma, it was just not the cause of their plurality. This could widely vary, from spiritual reasons, psychosis/delusions, created systems or just. Being born like that. There are usually more specific sub terms used to describe why they formed, for example "willogenic". Endogenic systems are usually non disordered, but if they have gone through trauma, they may have a CDD (this is not me saying that you can have a CDD without trauma)
Mixed origins/traumaendo: these are two slightly different terms, with mixed origins being an umbrella term for any mixture of origins, while traumaendo specifically being a mixture of traumagenic and endogenic. This is basically, as it says in the name, a system forming for mixed reasons, not being able to specify one origin.
Willogenic/parogenic: these are again two slightly different terms, (parogenic is used by systems who specifically used tulpamancy, but willogenic refers to all created systems) but they both refer to systems that were created on purpose by the host/cores own will. This does not relate to radqueers or transids in most cases, and are generally non disordered. Willogenic/parogenic systems do NOT see plurality as a game, there are many valid reasons to create a system, for example to help deal with emotions (see internal families), or to process trauma by essentially manually doing what traumagenic brains do automatically. Plurality is not "easy" or fun for created systems as some anti endos would like to believe. Any other system origin may also have willogenic/parogenic headmates.
Quoigenic: quoigenic systems are essentially systems who do not know their origins, do not want to say, or don't think its appropriate to ask. A subset of this is praesigenic, which is specifically for systems who do not want to say their origins.
Spirigenic/metagenic: any system that formed for spiritual reasons, or has spiritual elements. This is not necessarily tied to any religion or practice.
Neurogenic: a system which formed by or in order to cope with a mental illness the body already had. This may be seen as a subset of traumagenic, but its up to the system to decide if they see it that way or not.
There are other system origins, these are the ones we're most familiar with/the most common ones. For other resources/a better understanding see:
☆ System origins carrd (similar to what we just did, but better and including flags)
☆ plural wiki (list of ALL origins with descriptions)
pro endo culture is having/making spitetives because of anti endos
SO REAL OMFG
pro endo culture is finding the coolest discord server ever with the coolest people in it and the coolest theme ever and REALLY wanting to be a part of it but then you look at the first thing on the black list and its "non-traumagenic 'systems'" and now since you're not endogenic you don't know whether to stay and try to ignore syscourse and secretly *kinda* defend endos like by saying "js leave them be honestly harassing them will just make them worse" or to leave because EVERYONE THERE IS SO COOL D:
OMG WE HAD THE EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE we joined a server for pjsk Introjects, it was strictly anti endo but we did the verification before we even knew what an endo was and once we did our own research on endos we were kinda. Stuck bc we loved everyone on there-
I suggest you kinda do what the ask we posted jst before this one said and try to make pro endo arguments that sound neutral! Maybe you can even convince the server to change ^-^
If they start harassing you or being actively cruel towards you I suggest you leave tho... nothing is worth your mental health and some people are just. Not willing to listen.
Pro endo culture is having secondary arguments on hand that sound endo neutral but are secretly endo positive because you don't want to argue with friends
(this funny little plural is slowly gaining the confidence to be publicly pro endo though :D)
YESS!!! US BACK IN JUNE FRFR (on our old acc which we had to switch from personal reasons we tried to remain endo neutral appearing to not get banned off most blogs we liked who were all anti endo, but we still didn't wanna see misinfo spread around so we literally created a bunch of these >:3)
pro-endo system culture is having half of this hellsite blocked because I refuse to listen to people who hate on my endogenic siblings
OH MY GOD THAT IS SO FUCKING REAL!!!!
Pro endo traumagenic culture is wanting to find other Traumagenic systems and info bc you& relate to those experiences more than endo experiences, but having to block all the DID/OSDD/Traumagenic tags (along with all the antis) because there is just a lot of negativity and hate in those spaces and you& feel like you’d learn nothing from those tags anyways. So you& stick to endo spaces, even though you& may not relate, but at least there is some semblance of positivity there.
—🦇
We've had the exact same experience... maybe we should create a new tag specifically for pro endo traumagens to share experiences and stuff? Idk just a random thought-
pro endo culture is being super fucking cool fr fr (with the tiktok [proud] emoji)
HELL YEA!!!!!!
Pro endo culture is oh my gosh I might have an introject I don’t know it might just be my psychosis acting up I’m scared some scary things have happened lately I tried to hurt myself today.
So I try to find a discord server where I can feel safe discussing what I’m currently going through and ANTI ENDO ANTI ENDO ANTI ENDO ANTI ENDO. And the only pro endo servers have super strict verification that I don’t have the energy to do because I’m not in the right mental state.
I wish anti endos would disappear. Let me feel safe and like I won’t be attacked for being plural “wrong”.
We're not even endo, but we don't always have the same experiences as a lot of other traumagenics, so I know the feeling all too well... sometimes, even just SUPPORTING endos gets us fakeclaimed and yelled at. People always assume we're an endo JUST because we support them-
pro-endo culture is minding my own business about other people's disorders. i'm not a fucking doctor! even if i was, i still wouldn't be *entitled* to the details of someone else's health!
EXACLY!!!!
Pro endo culture is expecting more from systems who are openly proud to be anti-endo and the fact that they are willing to hurt and inflict trauma to others without remorse. Won't they perhaps stop for a moment and consider that they are becoming their abusers? Isn't the thought alone terrifying? It's never too late to heal. Otherwise, some people are just bad people.
I get that SO much. That's why I never ever HAVE been or WILL BE anti endo. It'd make us just like them and I could never stomach that.
