I did some extra research on Mamoru Oshii’s Lupin III project and found a Japanese article about it that shed some light on both Oshii’s intents with it as well as Miyazaki’s intents with Castle of Cagliostro.
Apparently, the reasoning behind Oshii’s pitch, especially the ending where it’s revealed that everything is fake, was that both Oshii and Miyazaki felt that Lupin as a character could no longer fit in the world of the present day (back then, that was the mid-1980s). Miyazaki purposefully made Lupin more of a matured swashbuckling character who stole Clarisse’s heart at the end of his movie because he felt that Lupin’s character worked back during the Japanese post-war economic miracle when people shared the romantic dream that there were still rare things that could never be bought, but not so much in a present-day Japan where you can buy absolutely anything if you have the money to spend. Whereas Miyazaki addressed this supposed problem by having Lupin ending the film stealing someone’s heart, Oshii’s planned approach was to have Lupin steal the fiction.
The angel’s fossil, the macguffin that this never-to-be caper was going to revolve around, was supposed to represent fiction itself. Oshii’s plan was to have Lupin steal his own existence within fiction, making it so that Lupin had never existed to begin with. He was essentially trying to make Lupin pull a “death of the author” on himself.
Thinking this over, I can see where both Miyazaki and Oshii come from but, in my own personal opinion, both of them (but especially Oshii) unfortunately missed a few things that the past few decades of the franchise have proven. Firstly, the world is constantly changing, sometimes in ways we don’t expect, and throughout all that, Lupin has always adapted. Secondly, as much as they have lamented that their efforts to shake up the franchise went fruitless, those efforts haven’t really failed. As a matter of fact, I believe that they’ve managed to help deepen the franchise’s identity in ways that allowed it to adapt with the times in the first place. Thirdly, even people who can only look at the world through a cynical, jaded, or otherwise pessimistic lens are in need of something hopeful once in a while. Lupin has provided that spark of hope for quite a lot of people, and I’m not just talking about the people Lupin meets on his adventures.
I can’t imagine a film where Lupin purposefully erases his own existence would have gone over all that well, even back then, but that’s just how I see it. What do you think? I’m curious as to what other fans think about this.
This is so interesting! God the more I find out about this project the more fascinated I am by it and the more annoyed I am it never got made! (Where did you find this article by the way?)
If done well, the idea that Lupin steals his own existence within the realm of fiction could’ve been really cool and interesting, or at least fun to analyze and discuss (similar to how people still talk about End of Evangelion over 20 years later). Especially since I found out recently that Oshii apparently wanted the movie’s animation to be very detailed and fluid (he did reportedly bring Hideaki Anno and some animators that would go on to work on Akira on board), if this movie got made I could see it being a beautiful and fascinating take on the franchise and, again, an analysis gold mine (again, similar to End of Eva).
I said earlier that I’m not a fan of these meta takes on Lupin where it’s implied the character we follow isn’t the “real” Lupin (i.e. Mystery of Mamo, Green Vs Red, the goddamn mask scene from Part 5), but I’m also a sucker for deep character studies and I feel like we could’ve gotten that here if the goal was to examine how Lupin fits into the then-modern world. I personally love Miyazaki’s take on Lupin and since Oshii’s idea is from the same source it could’ve worked really well.
Or it could’ve failed spectacularly (like Miyazaki’s did at first) and we could’ve gone back to how the franchise was before like nothing ever happened! I guess we’ll never really know.
This is the article I found (http://www.style.fm/as/13_special/oshii008.shtml). As I said before, it’s in Japanese. It even confirms the connection between this project and Angel’s Egg outright, as it quotes a statement from Oshii that he took the idea of an angel’s fossil from there and made the OVA to avenge his take on Lupin that didn’t come to be. Several other elements from the pitch also ended up in future Oshii films: The tower architect’s suicide, a side character (Fujiko in this case) going off on her own to expose the truth behind the macguffin, and a climactic tower-climbing scene would end up in the first Patlabor movie, its sequel would have the destruction of a fictional version of Tokyo, and Oshii would finally get to have a main character going through an existential crisis in his take on Ghost In The Shell.
I can’t deny that the idea of Lupin stealing the story itself is a fascinating concept that deserves to be explored. With Lupin having broken the fourth wall several times in the original manga for comedic effect, it would add an additional layer of loyalty to the source material. However, it’s the reasoning behind Oshii’s idea that I found a little iffy, maybe even too fatalistic. As harsh as it is to say about a celebrated director (both Miyazaki and Oshii), it sounds a bit like their vision of the character at the time was stuck in the past. As I’ve mentioned, Lupin’s character has adapted with the times, and Miyazaki’s take helped broaden the scope from stealing literal treasures to stealing metaphorical treasures, which arguably bestowed the franchise with even more possibilities to evolve. It’s kind of hard to argue that his character doesn’t work anymore for the world of today when he has constantly evolved in ways that accommodate for exactly that.
But yeah, the article also pretty much speculates that the reception and ripple effect of Oshii’s Lupin, had it actually seen the light of day, could’ve gone either way. Plus, if it had actually come to fruition, then Angel’s Egg and the Patlabor films probably wouldn’t have existed at all.
This is such a cool concept but I find it utterly strange that many people who’ve worked on Lupin III find the idea of a gentleman thief outdated. I haven’t read the linked article — going to once I move to where my translation software is — but I’m guessing it was written before Part 5, the series that points out this concept specifically, and then flips it on its head, because Lupin changes with the times, just like all of us.
(The “who IS Lupin III?”/Dread Pirate Roberts/mask-type situation has been a constant in Lupin canon since the comic [which is what the mask is referencing in Part 5; it’s a direct nod to the manga], and I like the idea that he is both infinite and the same but ever-changing both literally and otherwise, but I can understand why it bugs people.)
We need our Robin Hoods, our Goemon Ishikawas (the first one), our rogueish thieves fighting for the powerless…though Lupin III generally doesn’t do it intentionally, he almost always ends up a hero one way or another. And maybe it feels like the world has outgrown needing gentleman thieves, but we definitely haven’t outgrown needing heroes.