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Here are some things you should know: 1. Dannie. British. 34. She/Her 2. Bi af 3. Cockles trash 4. I don't even fucking know what I blog about anymore. Does anyone even care? 5. I write sometimes. Maybe. If my crippling anxiety and depression allows it. Usually it involves dicks in butts. (Especially Castiel's in Dean's.)
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breaking my silence. i think lebanon is good. i know what it’s trying to do, which is put the “is john winchester problematic?” question to bed by saying no. he’s a dad. which is complicated and lovable <3 but so much of the show has punched so many holes in that theory that TO ME the face value falls apart. here’s the way i’ve kaleidoscoped it which, again, is not what was intended, but to me, is the path of least narrative resistance:

  • dean wishes for his heart’s desire and doesn’t know the mechanics of how it’ll work
  • this brings his dad back
  • this is not what sam or dean thought that dean was consciously wishing for
  • the john winchester who appears acts a few degrees removed from the s1 - s9 characterization in a much more palatable way (effusive with praise, contrite over his mistakes)
  • game theory: dean’s desire was NOT to have his dad back but to have a sense of closure with his dad, because he never got that. and that’s what he gets. now his last memory of his dad isn’t being told to kill his brother before realizing that his dad’s just traded their lives, it’s a family dinner he never ever had and always fantasized about. it’s literally a what is and what should never be redux.
  • 3 episodes ago do we remember 3 episodes ago. where michael dredged up all of dean’s deep dark resentments against his family that he’s ashamed of feeling (cas, jack, sam). john 100% makes the resentment list. so does mary! dean’s said as much at various times. but dean’s had his Resentment Closure moment with cas. and jack. and sam. and mary. he’s never had that with john. but in lebanon? his dad says i’m proud of you. his dad says i made mistakes. his dad says i didn’t want you to have to live like me. his dad says all these things that dean’s wanted to hear but never has, and his dad sits down for a family dinner that dean’s always wanted but has never got. but in the end this is what is and what should never be 2. it’s a fantasy. it HAS to come apart at the seams. it’s not attainable long term.
  • tldr. pearl gives heart’s desire. sam thinks heart desire is no michael. dean think heart desire is having his dad back. true heart desire is to be able to bookend his dad’s memory with something happy that’ll allow him to continue to fudge the numbers into his dad being a relatively uncomplicated figure. the pearl mia vallens his dad so dean can see him one last time and hear him say all the things he never did before leaving again. THAT is what dean wants more deeply than anything. closure.
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ahdflksjaklf;jsls ok buddies - I hate talking about 14x13: Lebanon, but it has relevancy in the “John Winchester is a villain and cannot and should not be redeemed” discourse as well as being a crucial piece of finale denialist lore so I Have Been Thinking About It Too Much.

As you may recall, the Occult Object of the Week - the pearl - in Lebanon is supposed to grant Dean’s “heart’s desire.” Dean and Sam are Very Sure this means expelling Michael (the Dean Winchester Must Be Saved installment of season 14) (honestly that premise always seemed a little slim to me, I was hoping for Dean’s heart’s desire to be Cas, on Dean’s car, naked, covered in bees). 

Instead they summon Dad of the Year, which at first feels infuriating.  However after discussion with my earworms, I Have Fixed It (and also turned it into a grenade to launch at 15x20.)

Finale denialists and John Winchester derogatorians ASSEMBLE! and let’s discuss after the cut.

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Okay so. It’s still frustrating to me that we got a whole monologue in season 12 of Dean blaming Mary for John’s shortcomings and her sons’ traumas due to something she did before they were even born, while John’s years of abuse and neglect get brushed aside as “you did your best” and “that was enough” by Sam in this episode.

At the same time, we’ve gotten Mary for almost three full seasons now. There’s been a lot of airtime devoted to her transition from a memory that served others’ story to an actual character with her own priorities, emotions, and desires. There’s been even more time devoted to her sons understanding and accepting her as a fully complex human being, instead of the one-dimensional fulfillment of the mother archetype missing from their formative years.

That’s a lot of space to tell a full story, to have Dean and Sam deal with their disappointed expectations and (in Dean’s case) anger surrounding their mother (which they couldn’t do while she remained a martyred saint in their eyes), while still allowing Mary an arc and personality of her own, outside of and occasionally at odds with her role in their lives. And it has been fantastic to watch.

John, on the other hand, is only back for half an episode. And in the years between his death and his reappearance, the brothers have largely dealt with–or at least acknowledged–his shortcomings as a father, in a way that they perhaps couldn’t have done while he was alive. No martyred saintdom for John, no. If anything, the boys’ memories of his “A+ parenting skills” has been a silent antagonist and source of conflict from the show’s pilot episode onward.

It’s never been as simple as I make it sound, of course. Because as much as Sam and Dean have raged at him, questioned him, resented him, and even hated him at times, it’s also been perfectly clear that they never stopped loving their father. It’s a plight I can relate to, all too well. I’m sure I’m not the only one. 

And now, after over a decade of coming to terms with their father’s flaws, mistakes, neglect, and abuse, they are presented with the kind of gift that an abused child who still loves their abusive parent can only dream of: that parent, but at his absolute best. Gentle, understanding, sober, non-combative. Ready to listen and not judge.

That’s where it becomes crystal clear: John’s appearance in this episode is not about redeeming John. It’s about giving his sons the kind of closure that they would never get otherwise, no matter how many decades they spent coming to terms with what kind of parent he really was. Acknowledgement of his mistakes. Affirmation that he is proud of them. Reassurance that he loves them as they are, even if their lives haven’t turned out the way he might have once hoped.

It’s the kind of thing I think about a lot, to be honest, when I think about my own dead, beloved, imperfect parent: would she understand the person I am now, and the choices I’ve made? If she knew how her own choices hurt me, would that matter to her? Would she be proud of me? Would she still love me?

I might tell myself she would, or wouldn’t. I might tell myself I don’t care either way, which is true or not true, depending on the day. But to know the answers to those questions for certain? That kind of closure is rare and precious beyond words.

TL;DR: As satisfying as it might have been for some of us to watch, Sam and Dean didn’t need to hash out every wrong decision John ever made; they could do that without him. They have done that without him. And sure, if they had more than a single day with him, the way they do with Mary? Then there would absolutely be time for recriminations, redress, and possibly even redemption eventually. But with only hours to spend with him, all they really needed from John was to know that he loved them, and was proud of them, and was sorry.

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