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@orangelionfurandtaxidermy / orangelionfurandtaxidermy.tumblr.com

She/her - 28 - Europe
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Anonymous asked:

Hi, I have some fur farm questions if you don't mind answering.

I've seen you mention that Sapphire is questionable. Why is that? Is it bc of the bleeding and CHS? If so, is Mansfield's Pearl also questionable to breed? And can CHS or bleeding issues be bred out or are they inherently part of the color?

On that note, do you have information on other color mutations that are linked to health issues?

Lastly, how does one get into fur farming? It seems really expensive to set up and buy all the foxes, and I struggle to find fur farms to follow online bc of how taboo it is let alone finding farms to buy live stock from, especially of rare mutations. Is finding farms to buy from more of a word of mouth + trust thing? And is mentorship of new farmers a thing or is fur farming too competitive for established farmers to want to do that?

Bonus: feel free to talk about your favorite mutations or anything else you wanna share.

Hi!

Yes Sapphires seem to all carry genetic illnesses. Some look to be only mildly affected, I’ve been following a few foxes friends of me carefully bred after they discovered some of their Pearls are Mansfield Pearls. So far the animals look to be doing ok, so it’s surely not a death sentence.

However I fear not all farms will be so careful about their breeding or using unhealthy animals because they want to get that special color. You’ve probably seen or heard about Mouse, the Sapphire fox Save a Fox bought from Northern Fox and Fur (a fur farm) several years ago.

Sadly Mouse did have severe CHS and had to be euthanised. There are very strong suspicions the farm bred “special needs” animals so the rescue could profit from the sob stories. Eventually Save a Fox bought out the whole farm. As of today it’s still about half filled with foxes because they can’t place the animals anywhere. Every rescue is full.

Mansfield Pearl alters the way in which blood behaves, foxes of this color seem very prone to excessive bleeding. I acquired this female Pearl Cross (suspected Mansfield Pearl Cross) “secondhand” a few years ago from the US. From what I see in the picture, it’s not a place I want to support. However this girl had already been culled for killing her whole litter of pups. When my tanner skinned the fox, they found that the bones were super weak and easy to snap. The skin had an unusual amount of bloodvessels and also the gums and teeth were quite funky. I’m still waiting for the cleaned skull.

In red foxes there’s not that many bad mutations luckily. Pale eyed foxes do experience sensitivity to the sun, we’ve seen them squint in direct sunlight. Mixing Whitemark/Ringneck/Platinum/Georgian (Snow) creates a lethal effect in homozygous form. Platinums can be anemic but it does seem to be worse in certain breeding lines than others. There’s probably others I’m forgetting but sadly there’s not much research being done anymore.

Finding a farm to work with is very hard nowadays. I somehow got myself a contact 5-6 years ago and it’s snowballed from there. The number of farms is very low now though, many of my own contacts have decided to stop farming because it’s essentially two full time jobs for the pay of half a job.

At least here in Europe it’s pretty much impossible to start up your own farm unless you have serious cash. No bank will want to provide you a loan because there’s little money to be made in the industry. Mutation foxes are very rare, most of what is produced is mink fur, arctic fox fur (‘bluefox’) and some raccoondog fur. You’ll find some Silver and Gold fox, but even those pelts are currently being sold in bulk at rock bottom prices to overseas buyers.

A picture of a Smokey Platinum pup for those who read this whole thing lol. This is a newer mutation for us, last year we had one male and this pup is one of his. Can you see the differences between this cage vs the one the female Pearl Cross lived in (she could barely turn around)? The cage in the background gives a better view of the size. There is also a nest box attached.

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Anonymous asked:

sorry if this has already been asked but i was wondering how to tell apart an amber fox from a pastel fox. i know that region plays a part in it but im still very confused lol. also your blog is very cool :)

I’ve not been active on Tumblr anymore, but if anyone has questions I’ll try to answer them!

Here is a comparison of the two mutations. Left being a Polish Pastel and right being an Amber.

Polish Pastel is its own brown mutation, it’s not a mix. It has a medium warm brown tone. Amber is a Pearl Burgundy and is a mixed type (Pearl x Burgundy). Ambers are always a much lighter brown color and almost have a yellow undertone to the fur, especially around the tail.

Polish Pastel is a color bred pretty much exclusively in Europe while Amber is bred in Europe, the US and Canada. Neither of the two colors are common anymore due to the extreme decline in breeding of mutation foxes.

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Hello, I was wondering if you could help me identify one of my pelts. It’s the one with the pink above it. It was bought as a palomino frost fox but it’s obviously a red fox and not a hybrid as it should be. In person it’s grey with a lavender tint. Thank you!!

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Hi, you’re right thinking this is not a hybrid. It’s ofcourse a bit hard to determine color from a picture but this guy looks like a Fawn Glow 😊

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Anonymous asked:

Im genuinely curious and i Do Not mean to start shit or be offensive.

Why do you support fur farming? Theyre notoriously terrible for multiple reasons and i genuinely dont understand why someone would support (buy from) fur farms? I can understand hunting and skinning animals that threaten livestock like chickens and not wanting to waste it or avtually planning to use it, but just for fun? Profit?

Like i said, im genuinely curious and i dont mean to sound offensive if i do. I want to understand why someone who runs a blog for the safety or "cuteness" of fox videos supports fur farms

Fur farms are not inherently terrible or cruel. There are plenty of good farms who take excellent care of their animals. My fur farming tag has plenty of information on good farming practices and welfare.

All of the farmed foxes I own come from a couple of farms in Finland, which has the highest welfare standards in the world. All of these farms are Welfur certified, meaning the care and welfare of the animals goes above and beyond the standard. I follow some of the farmers on Instagram and have seen photos of all the farms my foxes come from. The majority were purchased from @orangelionfurandtaxidermy who i know has visited and works very closely with the farmers she gets her pelts from to ensure the foxes are treated well.

Don't believe everything you hear from animal rights groups about fur farming. A lot of it is staged/fake or just outright lies to push their anti-fur agenda. If farmers want a good pelt that will earn a profit they HAVE to take good care of their animals. Fur quality is directly linked to animal health and welfare. Decades of scientific research has gone into the care of these animals and research is constantly ongoing.

Is fur farming perfect? No. Are there still improvements to be made in the industry? Yes. Do some countries, like China and the US, have a lot of issues with poor regulations and welfare in fur farming? Yes. But there are plenty of good farms out there. Farmers who care about their animals and try to give them a good life and the best care. You just have to do your research and make sure you're buying from reputable and well-regulated sources.

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To add to this post, I think fur farming is a legit thing. We humans don’t actually need most things we farm animals for, in the sense that we would die without them.

I myself am intolerant to dairy products yet my life is fine without them. I don’t need a fancy piece of salmon or a steak on the grill. Fur isn’t needed in most parts of the world, but it does make our lives easier. It’s warm, beautiful and a natural resource to use respectfully. Many indigenous groups still use fur for cultural reasons (yes, also a lot of farmed fur!). Wether you think it’s a legitimate reason or not, fur has given me confidence and improved my mental health.

In the end you have to remember that no animal cares why it dies, its instinct is to survive. As long as we treat animals well and give them a painless end it’s all the same to me. Farmed animals are used entirely just like any beef cow would, we just can’t eat foxes or minks because it’s actually illegal in some parts of the world for the meat to be used for human consumption.

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Anonymous asked:

Hi! I find your page really interesting and I love all the info you have to share. I agree with you on every point you share here and as a former ranch kid I strongly value the use of animal parts so long as the animal had certain quality of life. But I'm incredibly curious as I'm sure you get asked this a lot - where do your furs get sourced from? Are they individually selected to be pelted and if so on what basis? Do most die from natural causes? Genuinely curious and don't at all mean to come off as interrogative! ❤️

I currently have a project running with two farms. We try and keep foxes for every mutation out there. They’re in danger of going extinct and I find that extremely sad to lose an important part of history.

Because approx half the foxes are male and we can’t use them all for breeding, some of those are pelted and I take them. Any foxes which are not friendly also get pelted, because a fox which dislikes humans will not have a good time on a farm.

I do get some foxes which die from natural causes, mostly pups and old females. So the pelts I get are about 95% males.

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Anonymous asked:

Hi! I saw your post mentioning crystal foxes and I was wondering what they looked like? I think I saw some pelts up for sale on Etsy that were crystal foxes but I thought they were dyed. They’re the brownish ones right?

Yes Crystal foxes are not natural.

They can be made from Silver, Blue Frost or Blue arctic fox. Used is some kind of chemical to lighten the underfur to brown, but keep some of the darker guard hairs and white tips. I suspect the top picture is altered, I’ve never seen ones this pretty anywhere else.

I think it looks nice especially on Silver fox. Not many tanneries offer this kind of treatment though.

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Hope you won't mind me asking! Why are golden island foxes typically more expensive than other popular hybrids like blue frost?

I've heard it's due to color inconsistency but shadow blue frost foxes seem to vary wildly in color too. Is it because of the popularity of the color or because golden islands are difficult to breed?

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Both Golden Island and Blue Frost are popular hybrids, the most popular ones. Their price fluctuates a lot, the last auction here in Europe (where afaik 95+% of hybrid foxes are bred) actually had higher prices and higher clearance for Blue Frost.

They aren’t difficult to breed at all, one parent is a Silver fox and the other either a Polar (for Golden Island) or Bluefox (for Blue Frost). They are the most common foxes to find in captivity. Other pairings also produce Golden Island and Blue Frost but usually the above pairings are used.

One thing Blue Frost has over Golden Island is size, it comes in size 50 while Golden Island caps at size 40.

Blue Frost is also sometimes dyed while Golden Island is not. Crystal can be produces using Blue Frost pelts (Bluefox and Silver are also used).

Breeders pay close attention to the December fur auction at Saga Furs. It actually didn’t happen last year at all so that provided some challenges. If Blue Frost sells well in December, people will breed their Bluefox females to a Silver male. If Bluefox does better, they breed pure Bluefox. This doesn’t happen to Polar foxes, the female parent of Golden Island. Polars stay much smaller so the pelts have less value. You will always have to make hybrids with them.

For me, I price both Golden Island and Blue Frost the same as I buy them at the same price.

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