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Anonymous asked:

Im genuinely curious and i Do Not mean to start shit or be offensive.

Why do you support fur farming? Theyre notoriously terrible for multiple reasons and i genuinely dont understand why someone would support (buy from) fur farms? I can understand hunting and skinning animals that threaten livestock like chickens and not wanting to waste it or avtually planning to use it, but just for fun? Profit?

Like i said, im genuinely curious and i dont mean to sound offensive if i do. I want to understand why someone who runs a blog for the safety or "cuteness" of fox videos supports fur farms

Fur farms are not inherently terrible or cruel. There are plenty of good farms who take excellent care of their animals. My fur farming tag has plenty of information on good farming practices and welfare.

All of the farmed foxes I own come from a couple of farms in Finland, which has the highest welfare standards in the world. All of these farms are Welfur certified, meaning the care and welfare of the animals goes above and beyond the standard. I follow some of the farmers on Instagram and have seen photos of all the farms my foxes come from. The majority were purchased from @orangelionfurandtaxidermy who i know has visited and works very closely with the farmers she gets her pelts from to ensure the foxes are treated well.

Don't believe everything you hear from animal rights groups about fur farming. A lot of it is staged/fake or just outright lies to push their anti-fur agenda. If farmers want a good pelt that will earn a profit they HAVE to take good care of their animals. Fur quality is directly linked to animal health and welfare. Decades of scientific research has gone into the care of these animals and research is constantly ongoing.

Is fur farming perfect? No. Are there still improvements to be made in the industry? Yes. Do some countries, like China and the US, have a lot of issues with poor regulations and welfare in fur farming? Yes. But there are plenty of good farms out there. Farmers who care about their animals and try to give them a good life and the best care. You just have to do your research and make sure you're buying from reputable and well-regulated sources.

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To add to this post, I think fur farming is a legit thing. We humans don’t actually need most things we farm animals for, in the sense that we would die without them.

I myself am intolerant to dairy products yet my life is fine without them. I don’t need a fancy piece of salmon or a steak on the grill. Fur isn’t needed in most parts of the world, but it does make our lives easier. It’s warm, beautiful and a natural resource to use respectfully. Many indigenous groups still use fur for cultural reasons (yes, also a lot of farmed fur!). Wether you think it’s a legitimate reason or not, fur has given me confidence and improved my mental health.

In the end you have to remember that no animal cares why it dies, its instinct is to survive. As long as we treat animals well and give them a painless end it’s all the same to me. Farmed animals are used entirely just like any beef cow would, we just can’t eat foxes or minks because it’s actually illegal in some parts of the world for the meat to be used for human consumption.

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Thought I’d talk a bit about this latest ‘expose’ of Finnish fur farms and why footage like this should be judged with caution.

Finnish animal rights group Oikeutta Elaimille (Justice for Animals) shared unpublished footage with AFP it said was filmed undercover inside six different Finnish fur farms in 2022.
The Finnish Fur Breeders’ Association FIFUR, which certifies farms to ensure animal health, confirmed to AFP that they had approved four of the farms identified by the activists.
AFP has published videos and pictures from these four certified farms.

Hard to find exact numbers but it seems there’s somewhere around 600 fur farms in Finland. Six out of six hundred is pretty small and doesn’t necessarily represent the entire industry. Sadly, when it comes to animals there will always be those who cut corners and don’t maintain proper welfare standards. The same is true in dairy and meat farming and other animal industries. Even when it comes to pets you get bad owners who abuse their animals. That does not mean all pet owners are like this anymore than this footage means all fur farms operate this way. 

Also, while it claims the footage and images come from six farms, very few foxes are actually shown. Can we be sure that the footage did not just come from one or two bad farms, but other farms visited were included to make it seem worse?

FIFUR said they showed the footage to the producers but “they cannot recognize their animals from it except maybe one silver fox”.
However, to investigate the claims, FIFUR veterinarians “will still be visiting farms in the coming days”.

Hopefully if things at these farms are as bad as stated then something will be done about it. I don’t know much about animal welfare laws in Finland but I presume at least some of what was shown would be illegal if true, in which case the farm owners ought to be prosecuted. 

Now, lets discuss the video. I’ll post screenshots from it rather than the whole video so I can talk about different issues raised.

While cages may seem small, and would certainly not be ideal long term, as previously discussed on this blog, farm foxes are generally culled between 6-10 months old. For this period of time the cages can be considered acceptable. Breeding animals kept for longer often get larger cages and access to nest boxes. Good farms also provide the foxes with enrichment, such as bones, logs and toys that can keep them occupied. If a farm isn’t providing enrichment then it is not a good farm.

The type of wire cage used is for the foxes own welfare and hygiene. Wire-bottomed cages allow waste to fall through and help prevent disease and parasites. This issue is discussed further on this post. Basically, the cages may seem bad but there is good reasons for their use. A lot of research has also gone into the welfare and housing of these animals. This post links to a few studies on the subject

The footage only shows two foxes ‘pacing’. Most of the animals in the footage seem quite calm and are behaving normally, even showing curiosity that suggests these foxes are well accustomed to human activity. Being socialised to humans is considered an important part of farm fox welfare. While this pacing behaviour can be a sign of welfare issues, in the context of the video it seems highly likely they are acting this way out of fear and/or stress. 

Having a bunch of activists break in at night, making noise and shining bright lights and cameras at the foxes can be very disturbing and frightening for them. It’s understandable they would act with fear and be trying to get away from these people. You can’t make any firm conclusions about these foxes behaviour when they’re being put into this stressful situation. 

The film tries to claim that cannibalism is unnatural behaviour, but it really isn’t. It happens fairly frequently in the wild, especially with young foxes. When a young fox dies it’s pretty common for it’s siblings to eat the remains. Young foxes are ravenous and as far as they’re concerned a dead sibling is just free meat. Here’s a video of wild fox cubs eating a dead sibling. Cannibalism is less common in adult foxes but still occurs. Here’s a study on the subject: Cannibalistic necrophagy in red foxes: do the nutritional benefits offset the potential costs of disease transmission?

Here, we report the first direct observations of cannibalistic necrophagy in red foxes Vulpes vulpes. Our photographs of this behavior prompt speculation on the role of cannibalism in fox population dynamics and intraspecific disease transmission. We placed six fox and seven lamb carcasses of similar size to determine possible differences in the scavenging behavior of red foxes between dead conspecifics and heterospecifics. Conspecific necrophagy was recorded at all fox carcasses, involving foxes scavenging fox carcasses at different stages of decay. Carcass detection time by foxes was similar at both fox and lamb carcasses, but lambs were completely consumed in a shorter period, evidencing a preference for heterospecific consumption.

As before, cannibalism in a farm setting could be a sign of welfare issues, but it could also just be foxes exhibiting natural behaviours as they would in the wild. If cannibalism is happening because the animals are stressed, or carcasses aren’t being removed quickly or animals are dying from neglect then that is an issue. But young animals are very fragile and inevitably some will die even with the best care. If this happens in the night then a sibling may start eating the carcass before anyone has had a chance to remove it. Once again, there’s too many variables to say for sure whether this is a case of neglect or not. 

@orangelionfurandtaxidermy​ has already talked about the issue of monster blue foxes here. In short, this practice is highly looked down on and only done by a few farms. Fur auction houses like SAGA furs do not allow the sale of pelts over a certain size to try and prevent this practice. No good farm would be raising these animals. Side note, but since a lot of this footage was taken in spring many of the foxes are shedding their winter coats, making them look neglected when in reality this is a natural process all foxes go through. This is a common tactic anti-fur activists use to frame the foxes as being sickly and abused. 

The footage shows a couple of injured foxes. Unfortunately sometimes animals do get sick or injured. Anyone who owns pets knows that animals can hurt themselves from time to time. 18 months ago my indoor cat broke her jaw and to this day I have no idea how it happened. Farms may have a few thousand foxes so it’s pretty much inevitable that a few may get injured. The issue is whether these animals receive veterinary care when something does happen. The video doesn’t say so it’s impossible to say for sure whether these animals are being neglected or not. 

As before, injuries can be a sign of welfare issues, but sometimes these things just happen and you cannot say that a few injured foxes means the entire farm is neglectful. We need more information on why these animals are becoming injured, how frequently it is happening on the farm and what is being done to treat them and prevent the same happening to other foxes. Foxes that are sick or have open wounds and sores are not going to produce valuable pelts, so it’s in a farmers best interests to prevent these things happening wherever possible. 

The footage also shows a few foxes with early stage gingival hyperplasia. Good farms do no breed foxes with conditions like this and they should always be culled for their own welfare. If a farm is producing a lot of animals with this or other conditions that compromise welfare then there is a serious issue with that farm that needs addressing. Good farms want to produce healthy animals. 

In conclusion, while some of the issues highlighted here show clear animal welfare issues, others are less clear and there’s too many variables to be certain one way or the other. Saying “fur farming is not inherently unethical and many farms provide good welfare” and “some farms neglect their animals and don’t practice good welfare” are two statements that can coexist at the same time. In animal agriculture there will always be a few that neglect their animals but you cannot judge an entire industry on a few bad apples. Footage like this should also always be viewed with a critical eye as animal rights groups have been known to manipulate footage and only show certain things that fit their narrative. Does the video really show what it claims or has the footage been edited to make it look bad out of context? 

All the points made here are absolutely valid. The only truly unacceptable thing here is obese foxes with untreated injuries and I’ve already mentioned I’m against the breeding of these animals in general. Like fast growing meat animals, they just come with issues.

Many of the foxes in the video are changing their coats, this is natural but looks like abuse to people who don’t know about foxes. Fox pups can be very bitey and if one sibling shows weakness, the rest of the litter will try to remove it from the nest so they get more food and resources. This is natural behavior, but it does look pretty nasty. It has happened more than once that we’ve had to euthanize a pup because it’s siblings had started to “remove” it from their nest during the night.

What I hate is that activists will wait months, even years to report these findings. It’s not about animals for them, but about the media sensation.

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Anonymous asked:

youtube(.)com/watch?v=hJTGC1KxWPE Please watch this before supporting fur farms

none of the foxes that i own or work with have come from farms that engage in that practice. i would not support a farm that deliberately breeds unhealthy traits in foxes or overfeeds to a harmful weight. just because some farms disregard certain welfare standards does not mean they all do. like any industry involving animal husbandry, some people provide proper care and some don’t. those that do should be supported, and there should be strict regulations in place to weed out those that don’t. i would definitely agree that there should be more regulations and more frequent inspections in place to ensure farmers are not raising blue fox this way.

the vast majority of the ranch fox i work on, and a good chunk of those in my personal collection, came from @orangelionfurandtaxidermy. she has personally visited the farms she buys from to ensure humane practices and welfare standards above the bare minimum of the law. i highly recommend having a look at her fur farming posts and asking her any questions you have about the industry

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We are aware of the practices and nobody I buy from ever raises foxes like this. I don’t know anyone who treats their animals like this and it’s frowned upon in the farming community. The foxes I buy are a healthy weight, don’t have injuries or diseases and are properly socialized. Yes, this Silver Ringneck has a larger cage than what is shown here. Approx a third to a quarter of her cage is pictured.

Extremely large blue arctic foxes are meant for the Asian market, blue fox is seen more like a fabric than an animal pelt (even the tail is removed after skinning). Saga Furs, the only European fur auction left after Kopenhagen Fur (which will shut down probably this year?), does not accept extremely large pelts. These pelts go straight from farm to buyer, often raised on farms bought by Asian fur processors.

Saga Furs does not accept any pelts larger than 142 cm which they call size 60. Every size adds 9 cm. Size 70 and 80 exist but won’t be accepted by the auction house to encourage healthier breeding practices. For me size 50 is the largest I’ll buy and those pelts are rare. I don’t really buy blue arctic foxes.

The taxidermy community doesn’t really have any interest in oversized foxes. We think cruel treatment is an absolute no go and there’s nothing natural left in the pelt of poor creatures like overfed blue foxes. The proportions and size are all wrong, how could we ever bring that back into a taxidermy piece?

(Taxidermy pieces by Jeremy Lizin, owned by me)

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Who doesn’t love vet bills? I adopted two kittens from the animal shelter 3 weeks ago and it’s been one issue after the other 🙁 Luckily nothing life threatening, but the costs do add up!

I’ve decided to participate in the Etsy Black Friday sale which will start in a few days. All non mountable pelts will be 15% off! I chose to do this because Etsy deposits funds the next day.

I will also be offering the same discount outside of Etsy which is an even better deal because prices outside of Etsy are lower (Trello link below shows my full inventory, click on the picture of the pelt for details). The only condition is that there will be NO payment plans. I need this money now to pay for bills. I can hold paid items for you to ship later if needed.

Sale starts November 18th and ends November 30th. This is the biggest sale I’ve ever done, I don’t do this often at all! I really can’t afford to as I would be losing money.

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Anonymous asked:

Do foxes on fur farms recieve decent enrichment/comfort? Like the wire floors and stuff seem irritating and I've been led to believe they're just always caged. It's a concern for me given that I think every animal in human care deserves to live a happy, healthy life, even if they will eventually be killed.

Wire floors don't cause foxes any problems. Farmed foxes have extremely long, thick fur on the bottom of their feet that acts as a cushion. Multiple studies have been done where foxes were given access to various floor types (wire mesh, wood, sand etc.) and even with access to other flooring the foxes still regularly chose to use the wire mesh. They wouldn't do that if it was in any way uncomfortable. Breeding females also get access to wooden nest boxes where they can raise their young.

Here's a comparison of the paw of a farm fox (top) and wild fox (bottom). Note how much bigger and fluffier the farm fox's paw is!

High welfare farms do also provide enrichment, usually in the form of large bones that they can chew on/play with. Foxes also have raised platforms in their cages as they like to be up high.

Imo, I'd like to see more varied enrichment. A single bone will probably get a bit boring after a while. Some studies have shown that access to a sandy digging pit significantly improves welfare, as digging is something foxes really enjoy and can also be used as a way to relieve stress or burn off excess energy. It's definitely something I'd like to see a push for in fur farms in the future. It's all well and good meeting an animals physical needs, but their mental wellbeing is just as important.

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Honestly it would be awesome if multiple/novel forms of enrichment were required for fur farms (....and all other animal farming). Different toys, exposure to different smells, species-specific stuff like sand to dig in for foxes or a swimming section for mink, just overall more. While cages may be comfortable enough for them and safe from the elements and anything dangerous being bored is very much a thing. Extra stress relief is always a good thing.

I agree with this. Sadly it will probably never happen.

The progress we’ve seen in welfare for cattle is because there’s enough of a customer base for organic or better welfare meat. Fur has been suffering from less demand for some time, so who would be paying for the expenses of extra enrichment…Pelts are already selling at cost, or less than that.

Most of the farms I work with to provide extra enrichment, like fresh straw, meaty bones for foxes (lots of farmers are also hunters) and lots of human interaction. Just because they want to. That’s why I pay above market price for those pelts. But it’s still not enough for them to even start to think about building playpens for foxes 🙁 I wish there was more demand for fur, so prices would go up dramatically and we could slowly start to demand things to improve animal welfare more.

I have a book on fur farming in the UK in the 1930s that shows an exercise pen that was supposedly common at the time (at least on UK farms). No idea how they managed to get them all back into their main pens!

I think there's a misconception that because fur is often an expensive luxury product that fur farmers must be super rich. In reality, the price farmers get for raw pelts is often very low, and what little they do make goes back into the farm. It’s not that fur farmers don’t care about their animals. Most farmers do care and want to give their animals a good life, but if a farmer is barely scraping even then it’s just not possible to make those kind of improvements. 

Once again it’s the animal rights movement doing more harm than good. Their heavy push against fur has lowered demand and thus lowered prices, which in turn makes it harder to improve welfare standards.

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Anonymous asked:

Do foxes on fur farms recieve decent enrichment/comfort? Like the wire floors and stuff seem irritating and I've been led to believe they're just always caged. It's a concern for me given that I think every animal in human care deserves to live a happy, healthy life, even if they will eventually be killed.

Wire floors don't cause foxes any problems. Farmed foxes have extremely long, thick fur on the bottom of their feet that acts as a cushion. Multiple studies have been done where foxes were given access to various floor types (wire mesh, wood, sand etc.) and even with access to other flooring the foxes still regularly chose to use the wire mesh. They wouldn't do that if it was in any way uncomfortable. Breeding females also get access to wooden nest boxes where they can raise their young.

Here's a comparison of the paw of a farm fox (top) and wild fox (bottom). Note how much bigger and fluffier the farm fox's paw is!

High welfare farms do also provide enrichment, usually in the form of large bones that they can chew on/play with. Foxes also have raised platforms in their cages as they like to be up high.

Imo, I'd like to see more varied enrichment. A single bone will probably get a bit boring after a while. Some studies have shown that access to a sandy digging pit significantly improves welfare, as digging is something foxes really enjoy and can also be used as a way to relieve stress or burn off excess energy. It's definitely something I'd like to see a push for in fur farms in the future. It's all well and good meeting an animals physical needs, but their mental wellbeing is just as important.

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Honestly it would be awesome if multiple/novel forms of enrichment were required for fur farms (....and all other animal farming). Different toys, exposure to different smells, species-specific stuff like sand to dig in for foxes or a swimming section for mink, just overall more. While cages may be comfortable enough for them and safe from the elements and anything dangerous being bored is very much a thing. Extra stress relief is always a good thing.

I agree with this. Sadly it will probably never happen.

The progress we’ve seen in welfare for cattle is because there’s enough of a customer base for organic or better welfare meat. Fur has been suffering from less demand for some time, so who would be paying for the expenses of extra enrichment…Pelts are already selling at cost, or less than that.

Most of the farms I work with to provide extra enrichment, like fresh straw, meaty bones for foxes (lots of farmers are also hunters) and lots of human interaction. Just because they want to. That’s why I pay above market price for those pelts. But it’s still not enough for them to even start to think about building playpens for foxes 🙁 I wish there was more demand for fur, so prices would go up dramatically and we could slowly start to demand things to improve animal welfare more.

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I will be updating all pictures and pelt inventory (I have a few pelts here and there that didn’t get added before) in the coming weeks.

Most pelts are for sale on Etsy, but with shipping already included in the price and a 12% price increase to compensate for fees.

Trello has a list of all the pelts I currently have, along with pictures and info on the pelt. Picking a pelt there and messaging me directly (here, on Instagram or on Facebook) and paying through Paypal is cheaper than buying via Etsy. I can’t take credit card so that’s where Etsy comes in handy.

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Anonymous asked:

I'm going to jump on this genetics train... can a fox carry the fire factor gene but not BE a fire factor?

Also what the heck is the difference between a pearlatina and a pearl...

This is probably a better question for @orangeliontaxidermy I only know a little bit about fur farm colours and haven't really looked into the genetics side much at all.

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The Fire factor (Fire genes) is a gene that causes red or yellow color pigment to become more pale. It has no effect on black pigments, unlike the Pearl gene which affects the whole body. Fire genes need a Gold/Red or Cross base to show.

Fire genes come from Colicott foxes, and the gene has created many new color types like Fawn Glow, Fire and Ice, Snow Glow, Moon Glow, Wildfire (Fire Red fox), Golden Sunrise (Fire Gold fox) etc. I personally do not use the names Wildfire or Golden Sunrise as in the Nordic system these two are known under their genetic names.

Snow Glow

Even a single copy of the gene shows, so there is no way for a fox to be carrying Fire genes without showing them. It can be difficult to detect them though, as for example on Cross the orange part can be so small you would barely notice this part to be lighter in color.

Fire Cross

Pearl is a diluting color gene, while Pearlatina is a Whitemark Pearl. Glacierblue (Glacier) is a Pearl Platinum.

Pearl Ringneck (a mutation similar to Whitemark)

I hope this helps!

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Anonymous asked:

what happens to the carcasses of the animals in fur farms? i hope this doesnt sound aggressive bc im on the side of real furs being used, im just curious :]

They are collected throughout the pelting season (November - January) along with dirty bedding and other waste. The fat from the animals is a valuable resource as it’s used in cosmetics and leather treatment products. The rest is usually turned into biofuel or fertilizer, but some places also use it for animal feed (zoos) or send the carcasses to schools to use in class.

When possible I try to get the skulls, but since I’m hundreds of kilometers away from “my” nearest farm the cleaning is a challenge.

People often complain about fur animals not being eaten, but sadly the consumption of fur animal meat is illegal where I’m from (EU). We’ve had issues with prion diseases in the past, and to rule out any contamination it’s now illegal to use animal protein in livestock feed. Foxes and minks do best on a mostly animal protein diet so this “disqualifies” them for human consumption.

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