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Xavier is making... some choices lately... So it feels like he is reaching here, like he hopes it is because of the head wound Pere had that he defected to Magneto... and maybe if he helps him with it... maybe he'll come back... but he also knows Pete won't agree with it willingly.. so he is going to use Kitty to trick him...

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Looking back, a lot of their interactions amounted to a middle aged man frothing with rage, shouting at a ninth grader for defying him.

(90s X-Men, of course, goes on to constantly describe Charles as "a father" and "a saint")

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I really like the idea behind Al Ewing's "red triangle" protocol, and it's good to see it finally finding its way outside of his work. And whoever was responsible for rendering it as an actual red triangle this time made a good call--it was very visually striking throughout the issue.

It finally restores dramatic stakes to encounters with Charles and Jean if their abilities can--once more--be resisted. The ability to fight back against mental domination was once key to the portrayal of lot of major characters, and the x-books lost out when telepathy was turned into the lazy auto win it had become over the last 15 years.

But more importantly I really like that Xavier was once again brought down by his own moral weakness, and yet there is still some small redemption for him in having anticipated this outcome, and having thereby made sure his students would be ready when he inevitably failed them.

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I'm going to guess tentatively that no one who evacuated Krakoa has actually died, and that the cliffhanger’s resolution will be that Darwin and/or Warlock redirected the gates to a safe location. And that wherever everyone went, it's just too far out of Xavier's range for him to detect. I think that would be a good way to pay off Darwin becoming one with Cerebro--and promising Forge it would help everyone later on--and with Warlock surviving on inside of the machines to help his friends.

That Destiny thought it was the right call to accept exile and fight another day, and was so sure that Manifold had the ability to save everyone, tells me that they weren't all just marching to their deaths under Xavier's control. They’re somewhere in a real place, where Eden will still be able to discover them. I think also that all of the set-up we’ve had so far has been oriented around the idea that the mutants (and ordinary humans tbh) are in dire straits, but that they haven’t lost yet. We also already know that Magik, Mirage, and Mary made it out alive to star in their own book in Otherworld, though I guess it's not really clear if everyone else is with them or if the survivors have all been split up.

(It’s also possible that Stasis and Moira just actually kept their word and let everyone escape to somewhere the X-Men can’t reach, but I don’t think so since Duggan is the event’s lead writer and he’s leaned so hard into the idea that the mutants vs machines war only persists because Orchis are lying genocidal maniacs.)

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My second impression, I guess, was that Sins of Sinister is trying to be both focused very tightly on a small handful of key characters, while also being massively broad, universal, in scope such that it touches absolutely everyone. When this story was being relayed purely through the perspectives of Destiny, and Sinister himself, that was completely ok. Any "but what about..." questions could be dismissed as not important enough for our narrators to mention.

But now that it's taking over Immortal X-Men for three months, and is crossing over with Red and Legion, I think there's a more obvious tension with trying to actually fit the cast of that book into a story that wasn't really made for all of them.

We're told that the four compromised Quiet Council members - Charles, Bennet, Hope, Emma - are still the same people they have always been. It's early, and anything could change or be recontextualized later, but their own impression seems to be that their memories and personalities are fully intact, and Sinister is not controlling them. So it seems to be some kind chemical change at work, altering their disposition or inhibitions, and possibly they're not as inclined to resist if Sinister is gently nudging them along. And he seems to confirm this himself, that he left them with free will and their personalities in place, though later issues could always say he misjudged, and less of their real selves survive than they like to think.

But if that's all true, it seems like things escalated very quickly to them being on board with his world domination plot. With Charles, okay, fair enough, he's been susceptible to this kind of thing before. And Hope is still new to all of this, and Exodus is an unreformed supervillain whose goals have only coincidentally become aligned with the X-Men (though I would have thought he'd still think Sinister's plan is stupid as hell, and just leave him in the Pit).

But Emma has already dealt, many times, with intrusive malevolent forces taking control, or seeking to hollow her out from within. Emma is already well accustomed to acting in opposition to the impulses of her worst self. She has a support system, that she sought out herself over many years, to check her if she starts to backslide.

(Without even getting into any of the weird metaphysical stuff at play: she's a psychic, she has a hive mind with her daughters, at least half of the time her brain is made of diamond)

I would have liked to see her's be a slow, gradual descent, if she needed to go through this at all, worn down as everything crumbles around her anyway. But as it stands, the story seems like it just needs her to be evil right now in order to work.

It's unfortunately a very clumsy way of capping off her journey from where she began in the Dark Phoenix Saga, to where she's come in recent years, all of which should inform how she responds to being infected. And it's particularly jarring because of the clash in tone from issue to issue. When Sinister assassinated her, it was presented as slapstick. Exploding Xavier brains! Evil communion wafers! The art carried it, and the idiocy of that chain of events could be excused because it was there to make readers laugh at his clownery.

But Immortal X-Men no. 9 is no longer just an irreverent comedy, it is now also the inciting incident that transforms Emma into a genocidal evil queen. I do not really believe that those two concepts are suitable for grafting together within the same story. I suppose anything is open to good execution, but this transition happened very quickly. It doesn't seem to have taken more than a few hours within the story.

That's why I think the story is trying to be much too broad for it's focus. I would have liked to take more time with only Xavier, or only Hope, at first and chart a slow conquest. Secondary characters like Emma could either be gradually worn down, as part of the background world building, or could just peace out from the story entirely to give more space to the more central figures.

And when we introduce so many side characters, it begs too much clarification on what is actually going on with each of them. Sinister implies that it was the Quiet Council alone who kept their personalities, but some of them needed to present themselves in public and pass scrutiny. Could the the Council have changed the plan once they were in charge of infecting others, and loosened up control? And was it the whole Council who were excluded, or just the original four? Were Illyana, Hank, and Namor included when they joined? There's also a question of who Charles is just outright mind controlling, or perhaps editing with Cerebro. And every character at play has their own idiosyncrasies to their personal circumstances.

I would assume based on what we know right now, and knowing that we only have three months to get through a complete story, that only the original four both kept their personalities, and also escaped being constantly controlled by Charles. Because otherwise it gets weird. Colossus is already being mind controlled by his brother, who would not be in favor of Sinister ruling Earth, so I think that would fall apart if he'd been left with any autonomy. Namor had to manage to pass as himself to Doom, but also needed to not kill Charles and take over as soon as he was done. Magik has dealt with being Darkchylde for most of her life, and it seems not-very likely that being a Sinister would be harder to resist and overcome than being the Hellgod of Limbo was. (I would say the same for Kate and all the weird brainwashing and corruption stuff in her history, but Immortal X-Men's contempt for her is evident enough that I think we're just meant to assume she was killed and mind controlled immediately, to cut down on needing to write her. I will say though that it's already making for a very weird reading experience, having X-Treme X-Men overlap completely with Sins of Sinister as scheduled)

It could and should be elaborated on in the future, because knowing whether or not people like Magik, Exodus, or Namor have free will and are still open to reason is vital to understanding the stakes of the conflict. But having rocketed past the first ten years of Sinister's conquest in just a single issue, instead of drawing it out more, I think this inevitably feels very rushed one way or another. This could be a matter of personal preference, but I think it's always better to just exclude characters from a story, if they would get in the way of telling it, than to alter them so that they behave as it needs.

And it's not a bad story! I do recommend it as a continuation of what was already the best Destiny story we've ever had. And it's setting up Ororo to have a very good story of her own in the three Brotherhood issues. But it's a shame that so many other characters are only there to be there. I think it compares a bit unfavorably with Judgment Day, which was just very well motivated. Even if you didn't want to read about Marvel Earth bring judged by one of its gods, every character, and not only the main stars, got to behave as their own problems and social pressures dictated.

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X-Twitter, which never disappoints, is already filled with the typical complaints that Kitty is naive, or a traitor, or turning evil, etc because she went to a "villain" for help instead of trusting in Charles Xavier's "wisdom" and waiting patiently for Forge

And I like Charles, and think I've been less down on him than most fans, but deciding to get a second opinion instead of trusting only his inner circle with her obscure and easily exploitable medical condition does not seem like a terrible lapse in judgment

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To guess where things are headed in Inferno 2,

1) Moira has her own network of shadow gates, that she uses to get in and out of her No Space without being observed. No one knows about these gates except for herself, Xavier, and Magneto, and therefore the people in charge of maintaining the gates as a system have not been checking them or performing any kind of maintenance or upgrades.
2) Xavier and Magneto previously tagged Moira with a monitoring device that allows them to remotely observe her travels from gate to gate. While Orchis cannot map gate travel directly, they can detect the tracking signal, and in so doing were able to deduce the existence of one of Moira's secondary gates, in Paris, and observe how they interact with the rest of the network, improving their general understanding of the technology.
3) Mystique, impersonating both Xavier and Sage, altered X-Force logs and mission requests so that she could wander around an Orchis research lab without them knowing what she was doing, to gather information for herself and Irene. (Ostensibly so that they can save the day themselves, and show up Charles and Erik?) Her actions have both prevented X-Force from investigating Orchis' presence near the Paris gate, and also ensure that they will continue to be unaware of Orchis' ongoing efforts to co-opt the gate network.

So it seems, imo, like Hickman is setting up an incident where Nimrod compromises the gate network and attacks the island through one of the unknown shadow gates, and each of Moira, Raven, Irene, Erik, and Charles has in their own unique way sabotaged the X-Men and X-Force from just preventing it, as they normally would have, in the ordinary course of their work. Which would play off the running theme of them always making decisions wildly outside their area of competence, combined with their collective secrecy making things worse at every turn.

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It’s just that quote up there: “Like fire, A.I. is a discovery, not an invention.  Let us not tolerate embers, lest we face an inferno.”  –Charles Xavier

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I thought it was interesting that Xavier also has another, structurally similar, line in HoxPox, where he tells Emma that the island is the spark/ember that he hopes will one day become an inferno. Not sure what to make of that! Other than Hickman loves to establish these direct parallels between Krakoa and their adversaries.

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I was just thinking about Legion's new identity in Way of X, and how his mutation works by absorbing minds into himself. There's already a lot of reflection on what resurrection means for the continuity of consciousness, and the experiences and chance for growth that are lost each time Xavier uses Cerebro to revive someone from an old backup. So what if David's been absorbing the parts that are being left behind each time they die? That could be what it means for him to be the "Patchwork" man.  

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I just realized that if you take All-New X-Men and X-Men Blue at face value, then Charles Xavier really just didn’t have very much involvement in teaching the first class of X-Men. Kitty, Magneto, and Emma did most of the work for him. Charles got his students back already set to graduate, and just changed their memories so he could take the credit for it

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Remember that time Magneto came to the X-Men with his helmet off, completely vulnerable, and wanted to pledge himself to their attempt at building a mutant nation, something he has long advocated for, and when Xavier attacked him Scott told Xaiver to fuck off?

(Uncanny X-Men #516)

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orangedodge

I wanted so hard to like Matt Fraction’s X-Men just for this one scene.

I can’t even blame Land for everything that went wrong, as easy as he makes it to try.

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Very few teachers at the Xavier School for Mutants are actually qualified to teach. I’m not even convinced Xavier himself was qualified.

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Xavier taught at the university his school was seemingly affiliated with back in the 80s. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense now, I admit, now that they’re portrayed more like a normal high school, but there was a time where the Xavier School seemed more like it was providing more tertiary than secondary education. Under those conditions at least, the fact that most of the teachers have graduate and postgraduate qualifications and are experts in their fields qualifies them to teach.

So what I mean to say is, the world building at least made sense when it was conceived, we’ve just kind of drifted away from it over the years.

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it’s time to face facts: charles xavier’s liberalism does nothing for the mutant cause.

if you didn’t know about their powers, charles xavier and erik lehnsherr would look like a pair of distinguished elder gentlemen. the difference between the two is that for as long as he’s been in the public eye, erik lehnsherr has always explicitly identified himself as the mutant magneto, while for years, professor xavier put on the facade of being a “normal” flatscan scientist.

but it doesn’t end there: as leader of the brotherhood, magneto never required his allies to wear masks or hide who they were. meanwhile, professor x almost always appears in public with only the most attractive (by conventional flatscan standards) of his students. he even goes as far as providing holographic image inducers for his less “palatable” students.

what all this tells us is that charles xavier only cares about you if your powers and appearance wouldn’t cause a stir at the country club, while magneto fights for the rights of all mutants

now, more than ever: magneto was right

this is a blatant oversimplification. and just plain wrong in most parts. 

magneto is a radical. he is a terrorist. whether or not you agree with him doesn’t change the fact that he KILLS people. magneto’s goals do not require him to have a public image other than Magneto. professor x run a school. a sanctuary for mutant children and teens and adults. he requires a certain amount of social capital in order to run this school, in order to convince the parents of closeted mutant teens to allow their kids to come there. he SAVES CHILDRENS LIVES. while still allowing them to retain contact with their families and outside society. magneto is HATED. that’s why he can walk around with an entourage of people who look like they do. that’s why he can wear a cape and a helmet and bright red everything. people look at him and they see a freak and he allows it because it provokes a reaction that he’s looking for. he proves people are prejudiced with his presence. 

professor X can’t do that. he cant risk KIDS AND TEENS getting hurt or attacked because of the way they look. he can’t risk being labeled a freak and an outsider and he cant risk his teachers and staff doing the same because then everything he ever worked for would come crashing down. 

let’s equate this to something real. imagine this is all an allegory for queer people (it is) and imagine professor x ran a school for queer kids (he does) and his whole job was to convince super uptight conservative and religious parents to send their kids to his school.  you bet your ass he’s gonna show up in his most christian clean pressed suit with a cross necklace and a rosary in his hands clutching a bible and wearing a ten gallon hat if need be. he’s gonna bring the masculine gay teachers and the feminine lesbian ones and he probably won’t bring trans teachers and students if they don’t pass because the parents will SEE that and go “hmm i dont like this guy’s looks”.

he SPECIFICALLY plays off people’s prejudices. purposefully. 

and then? when he gets the queer kid safe? when they’re out of their parent’s grasp? he hands them a rainbow scarf and a bottle of hair dye and tells them to go wild. he helps the trans kids get hormones and binders and makeup if they need or want them. he introduces them to other queer teens and adults and lets them live the life they want to live, an authentic life, and a safe one. 

but in public? wigs go on, disguises are in place, and pride pins and rainbow thongs are hidden. not because he’s worried about his own image or that he thinks everyone SHOULD look and act a certain way, but because he KNOWS that society is still grossly judgmental and if a kid in a mohawk and sparkly eyeshadow goes waltzing around the city they’re going to get bottles thrown at their head. 

dropping the metaphor now; if they need to go out in full mutant form, they get disguises. uniforms. armor. they get trained on how to protect themselves and CONTROL THEIR HORRIFICALLY DEADLY POWERS THAT THEY OTHERWISE COULD HAVE KILLED THEMSELVES OR OTHERS WITH so they can be safe and be authentically them and OUT if they want to. 

i side with magneto on a lot. but shitting on professor x? NO. BAD. and entirely missing the point. magneto has shown time and time again that he’s willing to let other’s die for his cause. kids and teens and humans and mutants alike. professor X is not willing to let a child die for him. period. 

back to the metaphor; if you’re a trans person you worry about passing. if you dont pass you could get attacked, assaulted, raped, murdered, etc. there are certain areas of the world and times and spaces where you can be as out as you like. pride is a good example of this. drag queens will be out in full makeup and costumes. but no queen or king or trans person or queer ANYONE is going to advise you to walk down the street in Alabama at midnight in the same outfit. 

professor x and magneto are both violently aware of societies’ prejudices. professor x was able to hide his existence as a mutant due to his privilege as an upper class white boy who’s power didn’t manifest in a visible way. he has used this privilege to help people. magneto, growing up during the holocaust, was targeted for being jewish AND targeted for being a mutant. due to this, he has chosen to make himself as visible as possible. he was tattooed with a string of numbers that will forever mark him as “other” and he decided to fully embrace that and challenge society to do the same. he thinks that the loss of a few, or many, lives is worth pushing for change. professor x’s focus is on protection and change in subtler ways. he uses his privilege and hidden status as a mutant to sway people’s opinions in other ways. 

there is NO side that is without it’s flaws. but saying “professor x does nothing for the mutant cause” completely ignores the fact that he is doing everything he can to protect vulnerable groups like MUTANT CHILDREN and flat out RESCUES them from homes they might have or HAD been abused in otherwise and honestly makes me question if OP has ever experienced what it’s like to be attacked just for LOOKING a certain way and living in FEAR that any moment you’re going to be outed and discovered and killed for it. if 5 years ago someone had offered me a watch to make me look like a cis dude? i would’ve taken it and pledged my life to whoever had given it to me.

and yeah hiding SUCKS but so does DYING. and if you have to pick one GUESS WHAT??? most people go for the first. for those ok with the risk of the second there is the choice of magneto’s side. 

Y'all might wanna read this ^^^^ Dude has a point

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With him coming back again, do you think there is much purpose in keepign Xavier around? I know this sounds shocking given how iconic he is and his popularity in the film seires, but like, seems to me like nobody has done ANYTHING with him since about the M-day, even during super duper important shit happening. Honestly, it was kinda shocking for me to see everybody reacting to his death in AvX because I kidna forgot he has even been alive. Felt like good number of writers had no idea either.

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Xavier’s coming back? Like actual Professor X and not whatever Soule’s doing over in Astonishing? Did Marvel make an announcement or something? Because this is the first I’m hearing of it.

But anyway, assuming he is on the way back, I do feel Xavier would be a bit redundant with Jean alive again and Taylor using her to address the mutant issue with more nuance and imagination than any writer since Morrison (and with much better characterization to boot!). And when we throw in the fact that that the school’s been publicly known as a haven for mutants for something like a decade-plus in real-world time, there’s not a whole lot of narrative reason for Charles to come back and do his benevolent, white patriarch thing again. If they got him away from the school and put together a team along the lines of Carey’s stint on X-Men Legacy, that might be a good way to show him finding a way to fit in in the new landscape. But I have a long, LOOOONG list of mutants and X-Men related characters I’d prefer to see given a chance to shine over Xavier.

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It could actually be kind of cool to use him (and ultimately Magneto) as a character who has become redundant to his successors. Brubaker, Fracion, and Carey all started to touch on that, with him increasingly as a background figure on the outside of the school/X-Corporation’s daily operations, but were always sidetracked by the big summer events of those years from really getting into what he made of where Scott and Emma were taking things and and how he balanced his semi-retirement with the knowledge that he could still be useful to them. There could be something there with Jean’s team in particular, given that he’d originally planned to retire and leave the school to her, as opposed to Scott.

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I do find X-men interesting, but one of the main reasons I can never get into it is because of the animated tv show series: X-Men: Evolution episode 2: “The X-Impulse”. That episode rubbed me off the wrong way as a child, and whenever I come near anything with the X-men group as the main focus, I get flashbacks of that episode and the anger it left me. I bet if I watch it now, it would be different to me, but when I was a kid, it was so controversial and hypocritical to me. I know there was a lesson to be told through Lance and Kitty, where a mutant shouldn’t abuse their powers for their own gain, and how the episode played out made sense, but what happens afterwards get to me. They never showed Prof. X trying to really reach out to Lance or anyone really troubled like him, and there may be good reasons in the background, but as I watched the Brotherhood being made, it just left me with the impression that Prof. X just wanted the easier (temper-wise) mutants to handle. As I said, if I watched it again, maybe I would see things differently, but that’s just one of the main reasons I can’t get into X-men.
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I think about half of the X-Men could be thought of as conventionally “troubled” or “difficult,” whether due to past trauma or loss, mental disease or disability, unstable family or no family, anti-social tendencies, etc. And at least in the old stories (which tended to inform the Fox cartoons and movies the most), Xavier made a concerted effort to work with students he would consider to have had special needs--or even adults like Logan or Anna-Marie who had difficulty being a part of society--because he sincerely wanted to help them reach a state of personal best.

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A Danger Room mishap leads to the manifestation of Illyana’s powers, and for the first time we see her conjure up her soul sword and cut straight through Kitty even when she’s phasing. God damn why haven’t they gotten this kid into therapy! It’s been months since she got back from being trapped in hell for her ENTIRE CHILDHOOD. They’re just going to let that shit sit? Doesn’t Professor X want to play psychiatrist and hash some of that shit out with her in his study? Maybe get her some meds or something? Fucking ridiculous these people. (The Uncanny X-Men #171 – July 1983)

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They don’t know that =P

She hasn’t told them. The X-Men are as in the dark about what happened to Illyana as the readers were. This issue came out several months before Magik’s time in Limbo was detailed during Magik vol. 1, and the New Mutants (let alone the X-Men) wont even know that Illyana’s a sorceress until Secret Wars 1 is underway.

(Also if you want to get into that, Xavier actually has tried to read Illyana’s mind in the past, and just can’t do it. Seriously. It comes up several times in New Mutants vol. 1--he routinely tries to read her mind, and can’t. If I remember correctly, Karma is the only psychic who has ever really been able to, but that’s neither here nor there. Regardless, I’m not sure if Xavier actually has any therapeutic talents that don’t involve mind reading--i.e. Emma actually is a trained therapist, and is qualified to provide counseling without the aid of psychic powers, and she will in fact provide PTSD counseling for Illyana and her classmates some time in the future, after they fight the Beyonder; Xavier on the other, if I’m not mistaken, just relies entirely on the insights his mutant abilities give him--so without them he can’t really do anything to help her)

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