The North remembers. We know no king but the King in the North whose name is Stark.
Promise me, she had cried, in a room that smelled of blood and roses. Promise me, Ned. The fever had taken her strength and her voice had been faint as a whisper, but when he gave her his word, the fear had gone out of his sister’s eyes. Ned remembered the way she had smiled then, how tightly her fingers had clutched his as she gave up her hold on life, the rose petals spilling from her palm, dead and black.
Jon Snow alphabet → B for Brothers
Most of the time it doesn’t fully process in my mind that Jon Snow has a bastard name, and that bastard names are truly this Really Terrible Thing, but then I am reminded that in the ASOIAF Spanish translation he is known as “Jon Nieve".
It bothers me that Jon doesn’t even...
General GoT/ASOIAF question
When you read the first book/watched the first season (whether you'd finished it or not), who initially stood out for you as a character you thought would be there in the long run in a "main character" role?
Because I'm seeing a lot of people questioning the point of the series if Robb is dead but for me, I never felt like Robb was going to end up on the Iron Throne, nor undertake that "main character/good guy" role for long. That's not to say I knew he'd be killed relatively early but rather I didn't see him, later on, developing into a key character and maintaining that for the long haul.
So yeah, when I started the first season, it was Dany and Jon who stood out for me, Robb's background seeming too "typical". :|
favourite asoiaf characters; Jon Snow
“You know nothing, Jon Snow,”
Bonus:
OkAY I NEED TO GET THIs OUT OF ME
THIS IS MOSTLY CONJECTURE ABOUT GAME OF THRONES BUT GOES HEAVILY INTO THE LORE AND HISTORY
this is the theory that Jon Snow is actually the bastard of Lyanna Stark (Ned’s deceased sister) and Rhaegar Targaryen (the deceased Targaryen Prince) and HERE’S WHY I’M UTTERLY CONVINCED LET’S START FROM THE BEGINNING
Okay so FACTS:
1. We know Eddard to be an honorable fucking dude. Like. Insanely so. He does not change his moral code for anyone.
2. Lyanna died during the rebellion, claimed to have been kidnapped by Rhaegar. No one knows what happened to her during that time, but she came back to the north a corpse.
3. Rhaegar is described by those that worked for him (including Barristan Selmy, who’s also an Honorable Fucking Dude) to be valiant, brave, kind and just. In the books he’s described to have loved studying books, the arts, and was just generally a gentle soul.
4. In the books, Promise me, Lyanna’s last words, are almost a mental mantra to Ned, especially near the end of season/book one. She has been associated with a blue rose. Ned recalls her dying in ‘a bed of blood’.
5. King Robert was in love with Lyanna, to the point that they were to be engaged and wed after the war.
6. Ned was alone with Lyanna when she died, save possible midwives, guards, and most likely Howland Reed, Robert was either off fighting and being crowned.
7. Jon Snow was associated with a ‘blue rose growing from an ice wall’- or something along those lines. The wording might be different.
CONJECTURE AND THEORY:
Lyanna was not kidnapped by Rhaegar. Maybe she was at first, but after a while, they fell in love, as Rhaegar was a valiant, kind man. She became pregnant. When she was retrieved by her brother, she went into labour on their way home. Whether it was stress from the trip, another wound, grief from Rhaegar’s death, she died giving birth to Jon. Her last words are Promise me, as in Promise me that you won’t tell Robert that I was with another man, especially a Targaryen, because he’ll kill my son and it will cause a rift between our houses. Promise me that you’ll raise him and keep him safe.
Now, if you were the Honorable Ned Stark, what would you do? What is more honorable- to protect your own honor or the honor of a family member- a DEAD one, nonetheless? Knowing Ned, he would have chosen to discard his honor to keep the honor of his sister intact. After all, it wasn’t rare for a lord to come back to his lady with a bastard made in war.
In Game of Thrones, the first season revolves around a plot involving, at its core, dominant and recessive genes. The Targaryens have silver hair and (most often) violet eyes, both of which are VERY recessive. The inbreeding in the family is the only thing that kept those traits intact. If a Targaryen were to make a child with a dark haired, dark eyed person, however? They would end up with a dark haired, dark eyed child, much like Jon.
The series is called A Song of Ice and Fire-
Ice = Starks
Fire = Targaryens
ice + Fire = Jon?
I AM ALSO CONVINCED JON IS RHAEGAR AND LYANNA'S CHILD.
But he doesn't necessarily have to be a bastard. Aegon the Conquerer had two wives - it's perfectly possible that Rhaegar married Lyanna during the time she was "captured", whether it was known to anyone else or not.
The reason I think that Jon is trueborn rather than a bastard is because when Daenerys is in the house of the undying in ACoK, she sees Rhaegar saying something about how the dragon must have 3 heads (or something to that degree, correct me if I'm wrong). Rhaegar's wife Elia gave him two children and couldn't have any more. Rhaegar was also apparently infatuated with Lyanna so it would make sense to have her bear his third child.
ALSO. Lyanna was found in the Tower of Joy (what a name), which was being defended by 3 members of the Kingsguard. Rhaegar also spent much of the war there with her. If she was pregnant, that makes perfect sense.
Also, thank you for that bit about Targaryen hair/eyes vs Jon's hair/eyes because I was wondering about that and what you said makes sense so yay
now tell me jon snow is not their child which ned stark promised to take care of and pretend is his own to avoid robert killing him.
“The direwolf graces the banners of House Stark,” Jon pointed out.
“I am no Stark, Father.”