It’s bad writing.

If Matt or Frank actually listened to Karen’s experiences and respected her, then the story would have gone in a direction the creative teams/executives/whomever did not want.

Acknowledge Karent’s trauma and significance as her own person???

What??? NO.ooOooo…..

No. If they acknowledge that, then who will they falsely idolize as “innocent” and “safe” in order for them to relentlessly dump their shit on while simultaneously demeaning her own experiences because how could she possibly relate? But she has to be their captive audience for all their drama. Sadly, for all the glimpses that might give us hope of otherwise, in the recent seasons Karen is a balm when she is around Matt or Frank, not her own character. It’s been such a regression, especially in TPS2.

For all the strength and depth Karen Page has as a character, the writers and creative teams still really love to have men around her, men she respects and cares for, treat her with such coddling disrespect because… well, it’s the man’s story, ultimately, not hers, and that’s what serves their actions and arcs better.

I guess.

I mean, I wouldn’t write it like that. But whatever. I’m especially baffled by Frank’s response to Karen this season. It’s such a rug-pull from the writers. And just. Bad. Annoyingly bad. What’s the trope? The “Idiot Ball?” But the writers are holding the Idiot Ball. And Karen Page just shuts her mouth and deals with it probably because they justify it as ‘she wouldn’t want to burden the men with her truth’ but that’s BS. It is. It is such reductive BS. It just gives them the excuse to keep having dudes shovel guilt and belittlement on her and without her being able to shut down their bullshit like any sane person would. Because then the men would have to challenge their own bullshit reasoning and the plot would have to change accordingly. But that’s not what the writers and creative teams want - they want their edgy male leads to be edgy. Karen would take that away and so it can’t happen.

I’m so tired of these shows. In this regards, both the seasons have really, really let me down. Some of the reasoning used for the narrative direction… I just cannot comprehend. Why? WHy. Why…..

me watching the vote counting of the presidential elections of brazil and realizing that the majority of my dumb compatriots really voted for a fascist OPENLY pro dictatorship 

A city counselor was shot dead in Rio last night.

A black, female, lgbt city counselor was shot dead in Rio last night.

A black, female, lgbt city counselor that came from a poor neighborhood and used her position to defend all those causes was shot dead in Rio last night.

They fired 9 times towards her car. They hit her in the head more than once. 

A city counselor was shot dead in Rio last night, with more than one gunshot to her head. Her driver too, shot in the back. 

A city counselor that had just created a way to investigate on the military intervention in Rio last week - a city counselor that had just unveiled yet more cases of police violence - was assassinated in Rio last night.

If you’re not scared for Brazilians right now you’re not paying enough attention. 

it’s just funny cuz the humans in x-men comics have committed multiple genoncides against mutants or at least tried, made a bunch of oppressive laws and professor x bald ass was still like “we need to show them we are peaceful” like sis. anyways magneto was right.

My hopes for Michael Burnham were soooo high and I’m tentatively gonna say that Sonequa Martin-Green is going to totally blow me away with this series.

Michael’s like, got the best of both worlds, as far as I’m concerned, she’s clearly got all the mental capabilities of Vulcans, has a bunch of their good and useful qualities - even some of the quirks that I personally find really cute and endearing in Vulcans.

But she’s obviously not trying to be Vulcan, she’s clearly letting herself be a child of both worlds? Her psychological soul searching seems to be like - the opposite end of the spectrum from Spock’s? 

Victoria S2 + future details

more details to come!

MORE DETAILS:

The Calculator is not going to be Felicity’s dad. The stills from 4x12 that I just saw with Oliver and Noah Kuttler side-by-side, looking proud and happy about something or someone – I assume Felicity – settles that for me. Why would Oliver be standing with Felicity’s dad that way, why would Felicity’s dad be in the room even? To Felicity, her father is not a positive aspect of her life. So I doubt that Oliver and his future father-in-law would be in a scene in that way together.

My bet is that Noah will be revealed to be a professor from M.I.T. that Felicity admired, and perhaps even served as her mentor during her college days. That’s the connection that Wendy Mericle says is between Felicity and Noah.

I [Matt Mitovich] have four older sisters, and thus grew up watching soap operas after school (in part because back then, your typical family had only one TV set!). So I can appreciate the power of a paternity twist, the narrative punch that a secret child can deliver. But Arrow, to spin its version of such a tale, simply asked viewers to swallow too many whoppers.

Here is the considerable sequence of improbable events that needed to fall in line perfectly during Part 2 of the crossover in order to fuel the furious fight between Oliver and Felicity:

1 | OLIVER SPOTS SAMANTHA AGAIN “Really?” Factor: 1 (out of 10). She lives in Central City and obviously likes her Jitters java. No foul.

2 | OLIVER KEEPS MUM ON THE POSSIBLE BABY MAMA “Really?” Factor: 3. Oliver notes that Samantha’s son is about the right age to be his own, but doesn’t share that “Hmm…” moment with Felicity — nor need he at such an early stage, having zero proof.

3 | OLIVER GETS HIS HANDS ON WILLIAM’S DNA “Really?” Factor: 6. Tracking down and confronting Samantha at her home, a happenstance dropping of the moppet’s hat gives Ollie the chance to pinch a piece of hair for testing. If there was no hat in play, what was Oliver’s next move?

4 | OLIVER TASKS BARRY WITH RUNNING THE DNA TEST “Really?” Factor: 7. The instant Oliver had the hair, I asked myself: But who will he have run a DNA test? Surely not Felicity. Instead, he entrusts it to perhaps the next-closest person to Felicity, rather than go to a well-removed third-party lab.

5 | OLIVER DOESN’T TAKE THE RESULTS WITH HIM “Really?” Factor: 7. Bring them with to show Samantha? Nah! Leave them with Barry, to possibly be discovered by someone? Sure!

6 | FELICITY FOLLOWS (?) OLIVER, PRESSURES BARRY “Really?” Factor: 7. Yes, Felicity would care about what’s bothering her beau. But were we to infer she was tailing him? (She enters the CCPD lab declaring, “I’d like to know what’s going on here.”) And then leaning on good-natured Barry to betray a confidence? No.

7 | BARRY ALL BUT HANDS FELICITY THE CONFIDENTIAL DNA TEST RESULTS “Really?” Factor: 9. Not only is The Fastest Man on Earth not quick enough to stealthily stash the paper, Barry proves to be the worst liar when failing to explain it away. (At that point, he caves and actually hands Felicity the results.)

8 | BUSTED, SAMANTHA NEGOTIATES THE STRANGEST CUSTODY DEAL EVER “Really?” Factor: 10. Confronted with her cover-up, Samantha tells Oliver that he can bond with his boy — if he tells not one other person on this planet (or on Earth-Two, she would probably add, if she knew of Earth-Two) about his kid. He cannot even confide in the love of his life, because… well, we’re still fuzzy on Sam’s reasoning.

9 | OLIVER SERIOUSLY CONSIDERS AGREEING TO THE TERMS! “Really?” Factor: 9. I’m a dad, so I can understand the want to know your offspring. Totally. But a man who cheats death on a daily basis and has gone up against all manner of brutal foe would have stood his ground and held out for a sweeter (meaning: reasonable!) deal. Especially if said man had recently signed off on a “No secrets” policy with his girlfriend. (And again, Oliver the “second” time around does take Samantha’s silly deal.)

10 | FELICITY DOESN’T HEAR OLIVER OUT, FIGHTS THE WRONG FIGHT “Really? Factor: Can we go to 11? As The Fight gets underway, Oliver at one point says all that he really should need to say — he simply needed a bit of time to process this baby bombshell. But rather then allow Felicity to appreciate that need, she instead dwells on “trust” issues, when a lack of trust in no way figured into this equation or his decision. (I did in fact yell at my TV, “It’s not about trust!”)

In the end, we got a fight that was more livid than it had any right being (given Oliver’s need to process the discovery and at least attempt to abide by Samantha’s wackadoodle terms) and one that cast Felicity, who is unarguably an extremely reasonable person, in an out-of-character light. Yes, it all got undone in the next act of the episode, except now Oliver is poised to sit on the truth for an even longer stretch of time.

Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail the next time Oliver and Felicity work through the news about his son…?

What did you think of the the Arrow fight and how it incredibly came about? (click the link to comment on TV Line)

of all the terrible things villains have done on arrow….putting felicity, a jewish woman, in a room/box and suffocating her has got to be one of the worst

#well i’m sorry #but if you think that these two bought this cute little house in a family friendly neighborhood #full of kids riding bicycles and casually leaving them on the streets #for no apparent reason at all #then you and i are clearly not watching the same show because #up until last season felicity was leaving in a small condo and oliver didn’t even had a bed #so yeah this house means a lot #the spare room that it probably has but they don’t dare talk about it yet means HELLA lot #they’re growing up #and they’re doing it together #kbyee

Smart and lazy is a horrible combination that results in disappointed teachers, exasperated friends and a whole lot of bad doodling

I wonder what the most common first impression people have of me is

Clint: That about sums it up.

ANYONE ELSE NOTICED FELICITY “DIED” THE EXACT MOMENT THE “UNION WAS SEALED”?

using a teen girl’s suicide as some symbolic victory of a bill passing through congress is amazingly disgusting