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10 Things About Meta Fiction I Haven't Seen Anyone Talking About

  1. That after Cas was downloaded with pop culture, he still didn’t grock the way references were used or their emotional meaning.  Because he got it from Metatron…and Metatron knows it, but he doesn’t get it.  
  2. Everyone is the hero of their own story, and how that applies to the theme of good intentions
  3. We were told directly at the beginning of the episode that it was the ultimate in unreliable narrators.  So everything - especially everything we saw from Metatron that casts him in a heroic or Godlike light, such as being immune to Holy Fire and Angel Warding and being able to write Castiel to his will - should be taken with, shall we say, a Lot’s Wife of salt at least.
  4. Gadreel is going to turn on Metatron.
  5. There are other angels in Heaven.  
  6. Metatron literally burned the book.  
  7. Metatron’s steaming case of Cas-envy is getting exponentially worse, and isn’t even remotely hidden by his attempt at “if you can’t join ‘em, beat ‘em.”  But it’s more that just the pretty face.  What does Cas have that Metatron wants so damned bad?  (My opinion: others see him as important, as a hero.  Metatron got tapped by God and thought that made him Most Important…but everyone else just saw him as a semi-sentient word processor.  He wanted to be the writer, the God, the hero, the protagonist, but all he was was the pen…whereas Cas writes his own story and everyone else calls him hero)
  8. Yes, Cas and Dean worry about each other…but did you see how terrified and upset Sam was when he thought something had happened to Cas?  Sam has come to have two brothers in his heart.
  9. Between the Mark of Cain, Gadreel being part of Metatron’s illusion games, Sam not being there to witness, the things Gadreel said being so much more Dean’s private fears than anything that makes sense for Sam, and what Sam finds being so different from what we left, everything between Dean and Gadreel should at least be questioned as dubiously real.  
  10. No, Cas is not a good leader.  He’s right about that.  But, as he also keeps reminding us, he’s a fucking briliant soldier…and not just as a pretty face who wields a pretty blade.  He’s an insanely good tactician and improvisational fighter, and that’s where everyone in Heaven - including Metatron - keeps underestimating him.  So the question needs to be not what or why is he leading, but how is he fighting?
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Promo for 9x14: “Captives”

Why in the BLUE FRILLY HECK is there a statue of Paul Bunyan in their motel room???????

I need an elaborate meta explaining why the presence of Paul Bunyan in their hotel room is a symbol for Castiel. Extra points if you somehow relate Dean to Babe the Blue Ox and explain how the parallels between the two stories clearly point to end!game Destiel.

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Okay. I really dropped the ball on Meta for the SPN season finale. And I've got so many opinions about Sherlock I don't even know where to start. 

So does anyone have anything related to the third season of Sherlock or the ninth season of Supernatural that they'd like me to discuss in a Meta?

You can reblog this post or send me an ask/fanmail. Or hell, even e-mail me. (My e-mail is on my blog btw)

Just let me know!

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I just keep going back to that line “the key to happiness is getting the one thing you want most and never letting it go.”

That was not a throwaway line.

This entire season has had an overarching theme of love and the desire for it, we have been shown Dean having love, and giving it up for the sake of duty. We have heard from Dean himself that he doesn’t do “love and….love.” We have heard from Dean now that he feels as if he can not get close to anyone because he’s poison (and oh god baby that is so far from the truth and I hurt all over for you). And what is our main theme for the season? Who are you? Who do you want to be? Who do you love?

Dean doesn’t want to be alone, but he deems himself unworthy of love and companionship. It is clear now that he and Sam do not have the same endgames in mind; they do not want the same things out of life. Hell, we’ve all known this since season 1 episode 1, this is nothing new, but at a certain point something’s gotta give. Dean has to learn to let go. Has to learn that what is poisonous is not his presence, but his co-dependency. His pathological desire to protect his baby brother above all else. Sam knows this, hell he just blatantly called it out, I just hope Dean comes to see that for himself very soon.

The key to happiness is getting the one thing you want most and never letting it go. What is that for Dean? I think I have a pretty good idea. I think he wears a trench coat and he always comes when Dean calls. I think he supports him and loves him above all else even when he doesn’t agree with him. I think he’s the one to be there for Dean, not to piece him back together, that he has to do himself, but to be by his side supporting him, and loving him, as he has since the day he raised him from perdition.

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Stars Both Infinite and Distant: the Necessity of Isolation in Supernatural's Heaven

There’s an essay under this read more. It’s a 3,850 word essay about the structure of heaven in a tv show. That’s all the warning you get. Sail on if you want to avoid supernatural meta, writings about heaven, or yet another response, however tangential, to the question, “do the events in Dark Side of the Moon Canonically establish Sam and Dean as soul mates?”

tl;dr answer: No.

hugely long answer: No. And here’s why:

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bela talbot was exploited by a demon when she was a young girl — a demon who offered her protection from her sexually abusive father because nobody else would help and save her

she told dean that nobody would understand—this implies that she came to someone when she was younger, when the abuse was ongoing, and that she was dismissed. that she was brushed off. 

they probably told her she was lying because her father was such a nice guy and she probably shouldn’t be saying such things—because think of his reputation 

nobody cared about bela’s emotional or physical wellbeing to help her. they preferred to look the other way—including her mother. 

so if you condemn bela talbot for making a demon deal to save herself, to protect herself, you are one of the worst people on earth for implying that her parents lives were worth more than her own well being—that bela had no right to protect herself or her autonomy (which is pretty fucking hypocritical since you probably herald team free will yeah your misogyny is not as veiled as you think it is and is, actually, rank and disgusting)

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SPN’s S Div9 So Far: Deconstructing Dean

People say S9 lacks consistency. Let me show you just how much it doesn’t—through the vehicle of Dean’s Deconstruction.

Think of S9 as A Christmas Carol for Dean. I’ve been calling his metaphysical journey shamanic and mythic, but it’s equally valid, and totally within the spirit of the holidays (and perhaps more identifiable to most folks), to acknowledge Dean’s similarities to Scrooge. One has allowed money to consume his identity, another his caregiver role. Both have misused their power and either must change or remain forever alone, unfulfilled and increasingly enchained by misdeeds. In order to accomplish this, the universe provides Dean with visitations by the ghosts of his past and present, while the future—ushered in by Death’s appearance in 9x01—is haunted by Endverse. 

S1 Dean keeps making appearances because S9 Dean is struggling with his identity. The more his world shifts around him, the scarier it gets and the more the part of him that doesn’t want change, struggles to sabotage his own spiritual growth. Even as he starts opening his heart to others like Cas, Charlie, Kevin, and Jody, it means that whenever those emotions become too much—start veering into uncharted territory— his knee-jerk reaction is to revert to his fallback survival identity. Hey, it got him and Sammy through the Apocalypse. But this time repeatedly falling back into old habits comes with a price that cannot be bargained back, deus ex machina-ed back, or forgiven. Life will bite you in the butt if you don’t change. As a Winchester, this means people die and End!verse Part 2 starts.

S9 is, therefore, a cornucopia of delicious psychological insight into Dean—a journey we embark on with him as he’s doggedly guided through several experiences meant to remind him of who he was, truly is under the accumulative artifice, is pretending to be, and who he will become if he doesn’t change for the right reasons.

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It's Just The Way I Feel: Poking at fandom's wounds

It’s been building since about two weeks before season 9 started. I think it began when we got the first preview pics of Tracy and a third of my dash sniffed that those shorts meant she was guaranteed to be insufficiently feminist, calling her a slut and decrying the obvious misogyny of the writers unironically and sometimes in the same post. It’s been growing worse with each subsequent episode, and it’s been getting to me. Tonight, watching the eulogizing of Nelson Mandela on half my media feed with a document still open from having painstakingly gone through every single noted character on SPN to have the numbers to back a post addressing factually innacurate accusations concealing very real issues about about the midseason death of Kevin Tran…I was literally moved to tears of anger and frustration.

When I sat down to write this post, it was going to be an upbraiding, a condemnation, a screed lambasting the fandom for hypocrisy, hyperbole, and hysteria. Quite possibly it would have included a furious declaration that I was defriending hundreds of you and telling a goodly number to perform acts that would be anatomically impossible for circus performers.

And that would have been wrong. I try to personally hold compassion above all other ideals, and it was the coverage of Mandala’s life that reminded me that in the case of the fandom, I have not been doing a very good job of that. I have been allowing myself to grow snappish instead of remain patient, to snark instead of share, to judge behavior instead of examine cause, to react to and with anger instead of having compassion for and doing whatever is in my power to soothe the pain and fear behind it.

This post is an apology for that, and for whomever I have hurt in the past few months because of that.

But the issue itself is still there. Why does it seem like more and more, the fandom is a place of intense pain in ways that are not at all the kind of entertainment-pain the narrative is meant to induce, and why are the reactions often seeming so wildly separated from what appears obvious to others or even internally inconsistent? Why is this part of the fandom spiraling apart and acting like something new and awful is happening when the show itself is ranging between “some things they have been doing very consistently for nine years” and “better than they’ve ever been about other things”? My thoughts so far are leading me to a combination of factors, which I am not at all putting forth as any kind of definitive “diagnosis” of fans or fandom, but rather making public my meditations to maybe spur other people to think about them and maybe engage in discussion with me.

1. IDENTIFICATION

Identification and symbolism is a HUGE part of the human psyche. It’s why we would feel gut-punched if a person we loved took a circle of worked metal that matched one we wore off the third finger of their left hand and threw it down. It’s why the pattern of pixels formed into a series of groupings derived of twenty-six characters is creating a voice in your head conveying concepts and images. It’s why leaders can speak for groups, why we root for our athletes at the Olympics, why storytelling exists and works at all. It’s nothing wrong or bad or shameful or crazy or fucked up, and indeed, it’s at the root of our most beautiful of human traits: the capacity for empathy.

But it can also hurt. Because stories work by making you identify with the protagonist on purpose, and circumstance when combined with skillful portrayal can make you identify with other characters as well. Combine these with identification, and you are worrying for Sam as if he was your own brother, longing for Cas but not knowing if it will ever work out, hating the choices you make. Or you’re identifying with Kevin and feeling more and more strained, pushed aside, unappreciated, underestimated, fucked over. With Castiel alone and confused and jerked around and conflicted and unsure of who he’s even supposed to be and loving so many who don’t love him back.

In and of itself - especially in the second act of an arc in a series that is notorious for putting its characters literally through hell - that would be enough to cause a lot of pain and confusion and to feel like things are just getting worse and worse with no hope of improvement (and to search for things that make that feeling make sense, even if you have to stretch for them or they were there all along).

But then it gets combined with something called magical thinking that is symbolism’s twin sibling. If the Olympian wins, we have all won. If Dean and Cas get together and are happy, we can be happy. If Destiel can air on network prime time, your coworker will stop making hurtful gay jokes. This gets super powerful when representation gets involved. You hear a lot of people say things like “When I saw character X, it was the first time I felt like there was a character that represented me, and now that bad thing/good thing has happened to them, I feel like there’s no hope/finally hope for me.”

And suddenly Kevin getting smote isn’t a plot twist, it’s a kick in the face saying that if you felt like he symbolized you, the people behind this thing that you’ve invested so much of your time and heart in would don’t believe you deserve a happy ending.

2. MOVING LINES

There is something called the echo chamber effect that is what happens when you surround yourself with people who mostly agree with you. Right or wrong, it creates the illusion that the entire world - or at least everyone who matters - thinks the same way, reinforcing the tendency most humans already have to use themselves as the baseline. Stepping outside of this is always alarming, regardless of whether you’re the minority or majority, whether you’ve been watching Fox News and listening to Rush Limbaugh and just take it for granted that all gay people are promiscuous and amoral or living in a Seventh Day Adventist community and now you’re looking at a diner menu with no vegan options.

In the past two years, the social needle of American culture in general, youth culture specifically, Tumblr VERY specifically, and the queer shipping fandom portion of Tumblr very VERY specifically has gone markedly to the left, exponentially so with each degree of echo chambering down. For most fans in that subcommunity, SPN is something that they are involved with for several hours a day via Tumblr and creating and consuming fanworks. This - the MAJORITY of their SPN world - happens within an echo chamber environment where no one blinks an eye at someone who identifies demisexual panromantic genderfluid polyamorous, everyone knows what PoC and WoC mean, and most of us have reblogged if not written essays on rape culture and slut shaming. These standards and norms are reflected throughout our interaction, and a blogger who misgenders another, culturally appropriates in fanart, or makes a racist assumption in a fanfic will be quickly…um…corrected is the most optimistic term.

As I said about a week ago when I compared SPN to a diner Kripke had opened, we have formed a culinary community where we take inspiration from the diner’s recipes and re-create them in accordance to our collectively and personally socially and nutritionally conscious ideal.

Then once a week, we spend 42 minutes eating a meal at the original diner. And they’re on the baseline. MAYBE a LITTLE to the left. Not OUR baseline. Not the one we’ve come to think of as SPN’s baseline because it’s how we engage with the show 95% of the time. The outside world’s baseline. The one where the buns are made with bleached white high-gluten flour and hydrogenated oil and corn syrup and preservatives and were bought from Wal-Mart affiliated Sam’s Club, the burgers are non-organic factory farmed beef, and the tomatoes were conventionally grown thousands of miles away in Chile and picked by exploited workers. But hey, the mustard’s all-natural and the lettuce is pesticide free!

And we lose. Our. Shit.

Because any one of those things would be mortal sins in our echo chamber of the SPN community. Hell, I’ll freely say that they SHOULD be mortal sins in the outside world. But they’re the mainstream’s baseline. The mainstream is a world where most people think rape culture means Viking raiding parties and privilege means being born rich. Where they think WoC is a new wrestling channel, not a single word of demisexual panromantic genderfluid polyamorous makes sense and if you do explain it, they translate it as “gay slut.” And SPN - REGARDLESS of the personal baseline or morals or opinions of the people who work on it - has to work with, make sense to, and appeal to the baseline of the mainstream because even if every single person in the Tumblr echo chamber thought it was the best thing ever, that wouldn’t even begin to be enough to keep them on the air. The mainstream will not yet accept Tumblr’s baseline, nor are they as far left as we are, and as we keep echo-chambering, we keep moving further left faster and faster and widening the gap…they’ve gone about ten steps left since season one, we’ve gone ten steps left since last week, thus creating the sense that they’re getting further away when they’re mostly standing still.

No, I’m not “justifying” or “excusing” racism, sexism, queerphobia, or any of the other issues with the show. I’m not saying we’re not right on these issues. Dude, I’m in the chamber with y’all. Mainstream doesn’t mean ok or good or right or ideal or excusible, and neither does I’m saying that there’s a tendency to assume we’re baseline and the show is shockingly to the right and could join us if only they weren’t dicks. We’re off to the left, and the only way they can move is if the whole mainstream baseline does. Which it IS. It IS moving. 17 states have marriage equality, most in the last year alone, the same year that has seen DADT and DOMA go down. The same year that saw one of the most popular episodes have a lesbian kiss and the season finale show a gay couple paired by heaven. But ain’t nobody coming out as demisexual on a CW show until more than one person in ten at your local 7-11 can identify that as something other than a porn tape with the chick from Ghost.

Keep calling it out. Keep shoving. Keep moving the baseline inch by bloody inch. Or don’t. If it’s not healthy for you or you’re being too hurt by the reminder of how far the baseline is from the echo chamber, stop going back to the diner. They can’t stop serving the factory-farmed beef they have always served until the majority are willing to pay more for humane, and the fan food is AWESOME. But I’m seeing a lot of people being shocked and hurt and “losing faith” and feeling like the continued presence of factory-farmed beef on the menu is new or shocking or things “getting worse” because now they’ve had it for ANOTHER episode and starting to feel like the cooks must not care about them or even personally have it out for them or agree with the majority of the diners that their dietary concerns are ridiculous or frivolous.

3. PRACTICAL IGNORANCE

In a lot of ways, this blog has wound up being at least in small part a class on story structure and the mechanics of writing. This started out when I was talking about acts and arcs and such in my meta and people asked me WTF I was on about, and that’s when I realized that there are a lot of people who really don’t grock how storytelling works as a craft rather than an art or how much the abjectly rigid structure of one hour television serial network drama constrains what you can do and how you do it.

I’ve gotten quite a few people telling me that this has actually helped them a lot. There’s a tremendous difference to how much it hurts to think “Why would they even DO that? Doesn’t it MATTER to them? Why would they bring in that character just to kill them ten minutes later? Can’t things just get better for ONCE?” vs “Ok, this is the end of the third act of this episode, so it’s going to hit the lowest point and they needed to establish the jeopardy and failure of the initial plan by making us love that character in the second act and then having them killed here, and on an overarching level this is the second act so the big picture will only get worse because they’re up the tree and it’s time to throw rocks.”

As fans creating fan content, we’re Gods. We can write, draw, dream, and essay things however we want and only care as much as we personally choose to how many notes and kudos and hits they get. TPTB are running a HALF BILLION dollar property and have 42 minutes and a rigid act structure in which to do it. Learning that they have to make it gluten free, vegan, sugar free, nut free, soy free, corn free, fat free, and raw goes a LONG way towards not being personally wounded that someone gave you a really weird tasting chocolate chip cookie and WTF would they do that when they’re supposedly a professional baker and the ones you make in your crappy little kitchen off the back of the Tollhouse bag are so much better. . 4. FAN-SHAME

The behavior that probably made me angriest and least compassionate is the people I have seen who transparently are using social issues to legitimize their fandom feels, and most of them don’t even seem to realize they’re doing it. They call out characters as not feminist enough while calling them sluts and whores, cunts and bitches. They criticize queer erasure by insisting that if Dean and Castiel sleep with women, they couldn’t possibly be bisexual. They throw around buzzphrases like Privilege, Queerbaiting, Appropriation, Erasure, and Problematic without really understanding them. They bemoan the lack of PoC, but you’ll never find Tamara or the Alpha Vamp on the list of characters they want to see come back. You know exactly who I’m talking about. Maybe you’ve also called them anything ranging from flamingly ignorant to viciously appropriative hypocrites. I’m not proud to say I have.

I’m even more ashamed, because I’ve done it myself in the past, especially when I was a teenager. Fandom is something that a lot of the larger world looks down on, and emotional expression in general is coded feminine and sharply criticized and derided, even sometimes IN fannish circles. There is a certain defiant reclamation of “OMG my FEELS”, but that’s very performative. If you are genuinely curled on the couch sobbing for the death of Kevin Tran because you CARED about that character or screaming at the television dear God NO Dean, don’t DO that, there WILL be people who will mock your pain. They will tell you to get the fuck over it, he’s only a character, you’re weird, you’re crazy, you’re a loser, etc.

But hurt and fear are barely half a breath away from angry, and rage is protective. Wrap that rage further in the armor of something righteous, and it’s both sword and shield. Sick with worry that Dean and Cas will never get together? Stupid flailing shipper weirdo. Angry that the fandom may be queerbaited? You’re a crusader entitled to your rage and anyone who says otherwise is a fucking bigot.

I am NOT saying that everyone who is upset about things they see on SPN or any other TV show from a social justice perspective is doing this. I know many well-informed and passionate people for whom it really genuinely is all about gender equality or racism or queer issues or animal cruelty or whatever else and not a shield or an excuse for anything consciously or subconsciously. Nor does using it that way mean that you don’t actually care about those causes or issues, nor that you are necessarily wrong in your arguments or feelings (and you’re DEFINITELY not wrong to have the feelings in the first place).

But I also remember when I would take you to the mat about feminism and the ethic of exploration and cooperation and post-empirical dystopia on Star Trek Voyager or DS9 to feel ok about how much the shows mattered to me. Jeri Ryan, I still mean everything I said about what a good actress you are and the complexity of Seven of Nine as a character, but I am now old enough to admit in hindsight that I didn’t defend Nana Vistor or Kate Mulgrew nearly as fiercely when they were just as good, and I felt deeply guilty for the things your catsuit did to my puberty. Own your causes. Own your feelings. You don’t have to hide one behind the other because neither are shameful.

5. MISCOMMUNICATION

Not only are rhetoric, debate, logic, and critical analytic skills no longer a part of standard American public education, we’re dealing with a mishmash of everything from instantaneous capslock feel-jerk reactions posted from cell phones by 13 year olds with trembling thumbs whose first language is not English to 5K essays written by 40 year old university instructors…all of which get instantly stripped of context, passed along the game of Tumblr Telephone, quoted, shaken and stirred with fandom politics and popularity games, reblogged, retagged, and reaction-giffed. Throw in that we’re using language where the most basic concepts of the discourse have no agreed single definition (Is queer a slur or academically correct or both? If you’re also attracted to genderfluid persons, are you still bisexual or is that pansexual and bisexual means binary? Does that include trans* people? What counts as canon? What does Destiel mean?).

When two people can say they want canon Destiel endgame and one is envisioning the show starting now actually portraying a relationship through coming out, courtship and commitment with fully expressed sexuality and the other is thinking the last scene of the series being Dean telling Sam and his wife that he’s just glad they both are finally where they belong, then getting into the Impala, quickly kissing Cas in the passenger seat, and driving off into the sunset to hunt…it’s not going to go well. People will talk past each other if they’re lucky and talk headlong into each other if they’re not.

Of course, again, none of this applies to every fan or every wank or every argument or issue, and it is absolutely not any attempt to invalidate or silence anyone’s views, feelings, or reactions. It’s simply me trying to start looking at the growing disaster that is SPN fandom from an angle of attempted empathy rather than unfair judgement and useless, harmful anger.

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Anonymous asked:

Hated the episode too but wanted to ask if you'd reconsider writing a review/meta on it because I love what you write and I tend to read meta to make up for the shittiness of the writing that has been season 9. Even if it's a review where all you do is rant, I'd love to read it. Anyway, sorry you hated this episode but you're not alone. *hugs*

First of all, thank you, love! It means a lot to me that you not only enjoy my work, but want to see more. 

I might be able to find some time to do a meta/review this week as there is honestly a lot to discuss in regards to 9x09 -- most of it of a "facepalming" nature, but what can you do. 

There are lots of angles I could use to analyze the episode, so is there anything in particular that you'd want to see broken down?

Let me know. And thanks again!

-Tori

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Okay so everyone in the Supernatural fandom is suddenly hating on Supernatural like??? I mean sure, they shat over Dean’s character development a little but for him, meeting that porn star was like one of us meeting Misha Collins or something now tell me you would turn down the sex?! Well maybe you would out of respect for Vicki so we’d also have to imagine that in this scenario he’s not actually married with kids.

Point is, Dean had casual sex with someone he admired and always had wanted to have sex with, and I think that anyone, regardless of their personal (or character) development would do the same thing.  Okay, the Supernatural writers didn’t have to write the episode like Dean being a horny bastard, but it’s not really THAT out of character, and the writers are people too and people slip up. 

I personally think that, save for that small detail, it was a good episode, and I’m really surprised that after seeing it people are all of a sudden posting things implying that they dislike the entire season so far. Characters have flaws. Writers have flaws. And one flawed episode is no reason for such a huge uproar. Usually they do a pretty damn fine job at writing the show and developing the characters :) 

I think a lot of people are more upset by the writing of the girl… like it’s not exactly that crazy that Dean would jump at the chance to have sex with one of his favorite porn stars but it is kind of shitty writing to write a woman who turns the entirety of her life around, signs an abstinence pledge, becomes the “purity” leader of the abstinence group, invites Dean over to give him book after book after book about chastity and abstinence… only for her to turn around and have sex with Dean as soon as he finds out who she used to be and drops some Spanish on her…? Come on. All in all… it’s not the worst episode I’ve seen. But it could have been a lot better.

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Susie and Dean

Here’s what I think: Dean and Susie are kinda supposed to be the same person at the same point in their lives just you know, Dean hunts monsters and Susie used to be a porn star.

When Susie briefly talked about that girl, it was like she was talking about a part she used to play instead of her just being a younger and different person. And well, I’ve thought the same thing about Dean since episode one. Dean is supposed to be the ladies man, the cock of the walk, the Han Solo type character, this is the man that John tried to shape him into being but really Dean’s been wearing that over the man that he really is and we’re now just beginning to see him break through that shell, that membrane in these past few seasons. Getting his life back on track, his way and Susie seems to be doing the same with hers. 

I think their copulation was…a celebration, a going away party, to those former selves for both of them. Dean became a person I hadn’t seen in a long time during those heated moments and Susie’s attitude also changed drastically, once it was over, they both shifted back into the people they now are. This felt like Dean’s last hurrah, so much as it was Susie’s and while they both claim to have missed that part of themselves, nothing about it felt permanent; it was like a brief flash of light in a storm.

Random things I’d like to make note of:

  • Susie called Dean a “bad boy”, file under “Dean is a sub”
  • Dean’s flirting with his favorite porn star who is supposedly abstinent and this is his face when he realizes it’s working:*he gulps*Three seconds laterOh yes Dean, please don’t look so enthusedTen seconds later…Then she says the magic words, “You’re kind of a bad boy aren’t you?”Dean’s like “Oh? You’re gonna dominate me? I can work with that.”

This isn't a bad interpretation and that very well could have been the intent of the scene, but if so I wish they would have made it more clear. This is certainly something to think about though.

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I Thought We Were Done Watching Dean Act Like A Dog This Season...

Before the criticism starts, I will say, there was a lot about this episode that I really enjoyed. 

  • Having Jody back and watching her kick some ass. 
  • The lore elements of the story -- the callbacks to previous god/goddess narratives. 
  • The horror elements -- watching a group of people in a confined space and terrifying situation lose their shit and turn on each other. (I wish we'd had more of that honestly.)
  • The acting in this episode was great and a lot of the jokes were well written and genuinely funny.
  • I though Sam's characterization was on point and some of the strongest writing work that's been done for Sam all season. 
  • Some of the little details in the writing struck me as very intelligent. 1. The taser and using its strobe effect to light the shots. I wish the production had come through with that one because I imagine reading that scene in script must have been frightening. Just imagine if the only light in the scene had been that blue flickering pulse that keeps turning off. They could have made that scene claustrophobic and panicked and fanTASTIC. But instead we got the whole thing half lit so the taser had virtually no affect. 2. Dean not having cell reception (THANK YOU). 3. The entire final scene with Sam and Dean in the hotel room. 

That said, this episode had problems. 

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Tom's Monday Meta Digest vol 28: 25 Nov 2013

Writers on Tumblr

linirah - Sam, Dean, Cas, characterisation, technical-narrative, speculation, episode reviews

Essays on Tumblr

Supernatural Analysis Around the Web

Meta Projects

  • Jmalfroy is conducting a survey for a thesis on queer fanworks as a reaction to heteronormativity in the media.
  • Fandom Research Project is looking primarily for people (esp young women ages 18-30) in Seattle & the surrounding area for live interviews. This is not restricted to the SPN fandom.
  • DrSilverfish is calling for representation-related meta written from queer perspectives.
  • Tous-les-coups is hosting a sociological group rewatch to collect data on characters in SPN.

Still want more? Be sure to check my recommended follow/reading list (which still needs updating) and past issues of the digest. And as always, feel free to recommend articles and authors – even those on other sites!

Holy CRAP I made the list again. 

Thank you!!!!

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This has been my favorite episode of the season so far.

It went back to basics and it redefined some things that needed desperately to be redefined.

For one, we had an episode about a HAUNTING! Just your normal, average, run-of-the-mill haunting with the burning…

While I too disagree with glamorizing their co-dependency - there are a few things in this I disagree with or think need to be read differently. One is that Dean was abandoned at that farm by his father. He - as a young child when his mother was killed - probably already had abandonment issues. And in past flashbacks we see him comforting Sammy and himself that Dad is late, not that Dad left them. Even in his 20s when Dean is trying to find John - who left him - and deal with Sam leaving several times, it is clear that Dean needs his family, and needs them to need him. So instead of the farm being some great time for him - and yeah, he’s a people pleaser, he’d do the best he could and was probably really touched when Sonny was proud of him - he was alone without his family or even any way to get in touch with them. Now Sam wasn’t with John - Sam says he had been left with Bobby. So your concern with how rough Sam had it is misplaced. And let’s look at how you excuse Sam’s behavior in not even looking for his brother in Purgatory … It is your interpretation that it’s a burden Dean puts unfairly on his brother. To me - they are partners in the family business, a family trained on an unbreakable military law-never leave a man behind. Perhaps if you had ever been in the military or knew anyone who was you could better understand this. But we know how important this is to Dean because it is exactly this that he says to Castiel “I didn’t leave you.” Because it is so unthinkably treasonous to leave a fighting comrade behind without even trying. And unfortunately for your defense of the indefensible - it proved relatively easy in season 8 to get into Purgatory.

^ true

Except Dean has left a man behind before. And I've already responded to the criticism for my "defense of the indefensible" in Sam's case. 

Also, my father was in the military. My uncles and grandfather were too. So please, don't make assumptions about my life when you have no clue who I am or what I do or don't understand. Also, seeing as we're now making this a pissing contest, it seemed pretty damn easy for Castiel to yank Sam out of the cage a few days after he fell in. Yeah, without his soul, but that was fixable. And yet Dean didn't go to Cas and ask him to do this ever in his year with Lisa. And he KNEW Cas could do that because he'd done it before. I don't fault Dean for that and I don't fault Sam for his behavior in an equal circumstance.

Also, someone else pointed out my mistake in saying Sam was with John during those months. I've edited the original draft to reflect this, but that's not the draft being reblogged.

You do bring up a decent point about Dean's abandonment issues, but those issues merely serve to exacerbate the codependency. Dean was abandoned by his father constantly and required to pick up the slack left by John's absent hands. 

Dean needs his family so desperately because he feels he has no other options. I'm not saying he doesn't miss his family at the farm or that he shouldn't miss his family. However, in the episode it's made pretty clear that Dean didn't want a hunting life. He felt pressured into it. But he's been made responsible for Sam. He' been guilted and manipulated into believing Sam's life is his to protect and his alone. So if he leaves the family, if he makes outside connections, Sam will suffer in his eyes. Sam will no longer have his caretaker. And this feeds the guilt which feeds the isolation which feeds the desperation which feeds the guilt. It's a cycle.

When at the farm, Dean is presented with the idea of healthy self-interest. And he thrives. He makes good grades. He is cooperative and active. He makes real connections and friendships with other people. It's not what he's always known, you're right. John left him there and I'm sure he missed Sam and certain aspects of their life. But you can't tell me that Dean was miserable at that farm. That Dean only wanted to get back to his family for reasons other than "needing" to take care of Sam -- a responsibility that shouldn't have been his to begin with.  

Also, "needing someone to need you" is about the most unhealthy outlook anyone can have on life. If you need someone to need you this suggests you rely upon external validation in reference to your self-perception. And if you have no concept of self-worth or self-validation, as you may be right in suggesting Dean doesn't have, of COURSE you're going to attach yourself to the closest constant source of feedback. Not to mention, families often hold greater influence on individuals in general, but add in complete self-surrender to the perception of others and you've got a certified recipe for co-dependence, low self-esteem, and unhealthy cyclical logic.

So, while you say you don't agree with the glamorization of co-dependency, the argument you're trying to use here is directly related to Dean's extreme desire to sacrifice himself for his family in any way necessary. Which is born from his lack of self-worth. Which is born from the codependency instilled in him. 

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Hi. Well, I read your meta on e7 and I was wondering if you're a first born child? I'm just curious, because the observations of children on different levels aren't always the same. :)

I'm not a first born child. I'm the youngest of three girls, actually. My two older sisters, Jill and Sage, are roughly one year apart. Sage is 6 years older than I am and Jill is 5. 

However, you bring up an interesting point because I'm very rarely pinned as the baby of the family. Because of the age difference between my sisters, I wasn't included by them growing up. They didn't try to "take care" of me. They didn't try to protect me. Hell, they didn't even share secrets with me or teach me life lessons. 

I was constantly trying to make them like me. I idolized them. I felt as if I could never live up to their standards. I dove into intellectual pursuits to make myself feel less alone and more competent. So in those respects, I identify quite a lot with Sam. 

However, my sisters were not a Dean to me. They were not loving and caring and helpful. I was on my own most of the time -- alone in an empty house. My parents both worked, crazy hard. My dad was absent for a lot of my childhood and it felt as if I were being raised by a single parent. I was a latch-key kid. I was responsible for myself at a very young age and I suffered for it. I was also unhealthily co-dependent with my mother because I really didn't have anyone else to cling to.

But even now that we're older, and I'm starting to connect with my sisters, I'm the one who ends up taking care of them. I'm the one who tries to protect and defend them. So I also identify with Dean pretty intensely. 

For all intents and purposes I really didn't have older siblings -- at least not protective older siblings -- growing up. 

And because of all of those factors, I tend to muddle the results of sibling dynamic analyses. Very often I perceive things as an only child would. Sometimes it's as if I were the eldest. Sometimes I exude middle child vibes. And rarely, very rarely, I see things as the youngest of their family would. 

- Tori

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I think people get more pissed at Sam because Dean seems not to have raised Sam only because Sam made him promise not to but Sam almost used their agreement as an excuse not to try, if you know what I mean. He was actually happy with Amelia and could have gotten over Dean's death; Dean was existing with Lisa but he only came alive again when Sammy came back. It's not really right to resent Sammy for this, but I suspect this is the reason for a lot of people.

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I get what you're saying, but I think people who have that outlook on things are ignoring certain facts. 

Was Sam really happy with Amelia? Was he?

Because it seemed to me like they were both living in a fantasy world and ignoring their problems instead of facing them. Which does not a healthy life make.

There's a reason Sam's flashbacks to his time with Amelia look the way that they do -- strangely saturated and gauzy, like they were filmed with a vaseline covered lens. This is a technique often used to highlight the surreal and the fantastical. 

Amelia and Sam were happy in their mutual denial of reality. And eventually that reality came a-knocking and they both had to confront it. Sam's issues, his trauma, didn't just disappear because he spent a dozen months playing house with some woman in Texas. Just like Dean's didn't disappear during his months with Lisa.

That was the whole point of having Amelia's father enter their world and scrutinize it for what it really was. He knew right off the bat that Sam had dealt with some fucked up shit and wasn't handling that shit properly. 

Sam and Amelia were one in the same, that's for sure, but they were never going to live happily ever after. Not while they were both still deluding themselves into believing the real world had gone on holiday. 

Let's also not forget that Sam, just like Dean, chose to get back into the hunting game. Amelia flat out told him she would stay with him after her husband came back. And Sam chose Dean anyway.

Not to mention this same argument could be made in the case of Dean and Lisa. "Dean and Lisa could have been happy together." "Dean could have eventually moved on from Sam's death."

The only real problem with Dean and Lisa's relationship was the lack of communication from Dean. Unlike Amelia, Lisa KNEW about Dean's past and was more than willing to help him cope with it. But Dean shut her out. Dean refused to tell her the truth, even when Lisa asked for it. 

Similarly, Sam wouldn't talk about his trauma with Amelia. But that was because Amelia didn't know he was a hunter in the first place! And I find it more than chuckle worthy that anyone could look at a relationship where the partners don't even know the truth about one another's past and claim it could have ended happily. 

So I guess I still don't see how anyone can look at Dean and Sam's situations and not connect the dots. They're complete and total parallels. 

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I read what you wrote about 9x07. I agree with you on all these points except for one. Of course you should leave the dead alone when you can not do anything, but when Dean was in Purgatory, Sam didn't even know where he was or if he was alive, he could at least look and that if he knew he was alive then try to do everything possible to get him out of there. I think it would only be valid if it were a situation like when Dean was in hell.

And you're totally free to have that opinion, but I disagree. 

And I will explain why in a second.

But first off I'd like to talk for a moment about the slightly unrelated topic of Sam!girls and Dean!girls. Because I'm neither. I guess you could call me a Cas!girl because I defend him with my life -- which is what Sam!girls and Dean!girls for Sam and Dean respectively. That said, I still acknowledge that Cas has done some shady ass things now and again. Cas is certainly (god kill me I'm gonna do it) no angel. And I respect that. I find his motivations understandable, but I can't insist they're always warranted with a straight face. There's nothing wrong with loving a character despite their flaws or identifying with one character over another. That's just the name of the game. However, I think it is very important to be open to other interpretations. 

I'm a great debater. I know this. Give me enough time and enough information and I can make a solid argument for just about damn near anything. I try very hard not to abuse this power. I try to listen to what others have to say. I try to keep an open mind. Some issues I have less patience with than others.

Double standards are one of those issues. And the SPN fandom in particular holds a significant amount of double standards. There are double standards placed upon the women in the show, there are double standards placed upon the actors and the writers, and there are double standards placed upon the characters -- though the characters in question may vary. 

When analyzing a story, all characters should be held up to the same standards, regardless of which is your personal favorite. I love Castiel, but expect the same from him as I do from the rest of the characters when dissecting them. When I'm watching the new episode and crying about "Castiel my baby angel sugar face" whilst cradling my complaining cat, that's a different story. But when I step back to take an objective look at things, I have to be just that: objective. There is always going to be a different way of looking at things and new perspectives are to be cherished. But when it comes right down to it, if you're biased toward a character due to an emotional attachment, you're going to have to work extra hard to adequately examine them from a logical stand point. It's pathos versus logos and both are valuable -- but a strong argument typically requires them to be balanced. (Ethos should be balanced as well, but that's a discussion for another time.)

So I think my big issue with your point of view on this subject, is that it creates somewhat of a double standard. 

Before Sam sacrificed himself at the end of Swan Song (5x22) he made Dean promise to let him go should something happen to him. He wanted Dean to go off and live a "normal, apple-pie life." So Dean did. Dean didn't know how the cage was different from regular hell. He didn't know if Sammy could be separated from Lucy and raised up. He knew that he'd been raised from perdition. (Sorry.) He knew it was very possible to get someone out of hell. Castiel had done it before and he did it again. So why didn't Dean ASK for Cas to pull Sam out? Why didn't Dean look into things? Why didn't Dean try to research the cage? Because Dean had made an agreement with Sam that he'd go live with Lisa and throw barbecues and have pleasantly suburban picnics and NOT go looking for his brother in Hell. But as Bobby told Sam in Taxi Driver (8x19) when he learned that Sam didn't look for Dean in Purgatory via a similar agreement, "I know that agreement. I taught you that agreement. That's a non-agreement."

And yet, when Dean went off to try and move on from his life as a hunter, that was okay? Then the agreement meant something? Even though he didn't try to get Sam out? And Bobby worked to protect Dean from having to return to the life instead of scolding him? It doesn't make sense. 

Also remember, after Dean got sucked into purgatory, Sam had nothing and no one. Bobby, John, Ellen, Jo, Ash, Rufus, Ruby, Castiel, Gabriel, Balthazar, Samandriel -- pretty much anyone who could have been there for him in even a minimal capacity was gone. The exception being Kevin. And I do fault Sam for leaving Kevin to his own devices. That was selfish of him and he knows it too. But Sam didn't see Kevin, an 18 year old kid, as someone who could help him rally the troops and head back into battle.

Dean on the other hand had Bobby and Cas on his side. He chose not to utilize those resources. 

Sam didn't know if Dean could be raised from purgatory, much like Dean didn't know if Sam could be raised from the cage. What Sam did know is Dean had one of the single most powerful beings they'd ever encountered on his side. Castiel -- who raised both Sam AND Dean from hell. And if Castiel couldn't find a way to get Dean out, how the hell was Sam supposed to fair any better? With no support system? No intel? No nothing?

So yeah, same as Dean, Sam stuck to the agreement. Sam continued to live his life the best he could. Sam tried to pick up the pieces. He moved on. 

Now let me make this clear -- I don't judge Dean for his year with Lisa. Not at all. I think it was the right thing for him to do.

And thus I can't, in good conscience, fault Sam for moving on when I didn't fault Dean for doing exactly the same thing. I thought Bobby and Dean's treatment of Sam in regards to Purgatory was hypocritical given all that had happened in season six. And despite all of the arguments I've heard on this topic, none have convinced me that Sam's choice to live with Amelia and let Dean go was any worse than Dean's choice to live with Lisa and let Sam go. 

To believe so would be a double standard and, as previously mentioned, I don't much care for those. 

I respect your opinion on the matter, but I don't agree. And that's okay. Thank you for sparking this conversation though! It's something I had been hoping to talk about and you presented the perfect opportunity. 

- Tori

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