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Coyt, he/him, 26. Breaking down and studying all facets of one of the oldest and greatest characters in comics: Dick Grayson, aka Nightwing. http://nightwingology.blogspot.com
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Am i the only one who really dislikes the talon grayson shit? I genuinely don’t think the court of owls is very interesting in general, but their relationship to dick and hally circus specifically really rubs me the wrong way. It’s like writers took a story about normal, well intentioned people (that in some versions have mary and john being poc, which only furthers the racist stereotype that romani folks are “sketchy”) who were struck by tragedy, and made it into a whole ass conspiracy theory that ruins the point of multiple minor characters who already didn’t get much attention from the comics, but especially, it ruins the point of nightwing and his origin.

Do we really need another character who was raised to be a super secret and important weapon that is tied to random stuff across the whole universe? Don’t we already have two of those? Don’t you think it’s better when batman characters are just normal people??

Just. what was even the point of that??

I'm not enthusiastic about it either ✋ I liked that Dick had a happy and pretty uncomplicated childhood. Now one has to wonder, could his parents (and John was third generation in that circus) really miss the signs that something was wrong?

B t w, I think the story was originally planned for Dick as Batman, which made more sense because he was an outsider and had a good reason for not knowing about this secret powerful society in the middle of the city. Bruce has to have grown up with lots of friends in the court, how could he miss that for decades?

I also don't like the Court of Owls being connected to Dick or Haly's Circus. Dick had a very simple, easy to understand origin that successive writers have muddled with.

Making Haly's, a travelling circus that represents a purely happy time in Dick's life, connected to an evil secret society that happens to be based in Gotham, and oh yeah Dick is their chosen one, has always felt contrived and rubbed me the wrong way.

For what it's worth, Kyle Higgins has told me to my face that Mary and John didn't know about the Court or it's connections to the circus. But Pop Haly certainly did, and that isn't really better.

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Did the graysons knew about the court of owls thing? Did mary and john knew about dick's fate?

I don’t believe its ever definitively been stated in canon one way or the other, but I personally do not believe that John or Mary had any idea, nor did John’s father Daniel, in all likelihood. The Haly’s all appear to have known of the Court’s interest in the circus and various of its members, which makes sense given that it was, y’know, Haly’s Circus, but there’s no indication that any of the Graysons before Dick had any idea what their line was intended as by the Court or Cobb.

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I asked Kyle Higgins this at a con a couple years back and he said John and Mary definitely didn't know, for what it's worth.

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The Members of Haly's Circus - Part 2

Part 2 will include retcons to existing characters and new characters introduced after Flashpoint. This is essentially the continuity of comics published from 2011 to present day (though it should be pointed out that after the events of Dark Knights: Death Metal, all events from the mainline comics pre and post-Flashpoint are now canon).

The New 52/Rebirth

In the New 52 and Rebirth, much of Haly's Circus' history changed. To start, John Grayson was no longer Romani, Mary Grayson (or Marie Lloyd) was. She had been a member of the Cirque Romanes de Paris before meeting John Grayson, joining Haly's, and changing her name.

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In the New 52, Dick's paternal great grandfather, William Cobb, was a member of Haly's Circus as a knife thrower. He was eventually selected for training in the Court of Owls as a Talon. In this continuity, the Court had a deal with the Haly family to select special children from the circus to be trained as Talons. C.C. Haly was aware of this, and Dick was also supposed to be trained as a Talon, but his parents died and Bruce Wayne took him in before he could be taken.

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Growing up, Dick had 3 childhood friends: Zane, Raya, and Raymond. He would reencounter each of them as Nightwing. After Bruce took him in, the court selected Raymond to be their next assassin, and he became Saiko. Zane became a hitman called Feedback, using an implant in his brain to induce fear in his victims, and Raya became Raymond's lover and accomplice.

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The last key member of Haly's was the man who grew up with Mary Grayson, named Richard. He had been with her in Paris before following her to Haly's. She had been the only person brave and kind enough to show him compassion when he had leprosy, and even stole medicine for him. As a result, he felt indebted to her and fell in love with her. Due to his medical condition and lack of treatment, he lost the sense of touch, and had an act under the name "Mr. Numb." Eventually, he became the international thief and villain, Raptor. He is also heavily implied to be the man Mary named Dick after.

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Other Members:

Aside from the frankly shocking number of villains Haly's Circus produced in the New 52 and Rebirth, there were other, regular circus folk. Bryan Haly was C.C. Haly's son, though he was aware of Saiko's identity. Jimmy the Clown was, thankfully, unaware of any villains, and seems to be a similar character to Harry the Clown from the Pre/Post Crisis timelines.

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Similar to the previous versions of Haly's, after the Graysons died, new acrobats were needed. One was Marc, a catcher brought on shortly before Dick visited the circus after becoming Nightwing. Another was Christina (as well as her parents) who were hired after Dick became the owner of Haly's Circus.

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There were other, minor members who appeared only once, or were mentioned in passing only. These include Tombo, a Bearded Lady, and a fortune teller, Madame Mystique (Missy to her friends).

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Another former member of the circus was a mute girl named Mary, who was an aerialist in 1946. She was taken by the Court of Owls and trained to be a Talon. She eventually fought in the Night of the Owls against Batgirl.

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For a brief period before John and Mary were a couple, a young woman named Meili Lin joined the circus and was romantically involved with John. They were together long enough for Meili to become pregnant with Dick's half-sister, Melinda. Meili had been forcefully married to Tony Zucco, but ran away to the circus. Eventually Zucco recaptured her. Melinda would grow up believing Tony Zucco was her father for a period of time, but as an adult she changed her last name to Grayson-Lin.

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Finally, for a brief period during Dick's childhood, Boston Brand (aka Deadman) was employed as the circus' trapeze act. Dick had tried to go up on the trapeze alone and fallen, leading to a fear of heights and a fear of his parents falling. John and Mary took a break from their act for Dick's sake, and Boston came in and helped Dick get over his fear.

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Conclusion

And there you have it folks, every named or speaking member of Haly's Circus I could find, including animals, from 1940 to 2024. I didn't list every member of the circus on panel, but I tried to find all the named and unique ones. There are countless workers, clowns, and "scene dressing" characters, as well as unnamed animals, such as horses, tigers, and more elephants. The circus changed drastically between the warm, happy time before Robin in the Pre/Post Crisis timelines, to the dark, sinister place of the New 52/Rebirth, which spawned some of Nightwing's greatest villains. In the past few years, the circus has returned to a place of warm nostalgia for Dick, though still with many lore connections to his later life as Nightwing. No matter how it changes, Haly's will always be important to Dick Grayson's history, and will always color his character going forward.

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The Members of Haly's Circus - Part 1

Originally posted here: https://nightwingology.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-members-of-halys-circus.html

Some folks have asked me to do a rundown of the various members of Haly's Circus over the years! I love Haly's Circus, I think it gives Dick an almost fairy-tale like backstory. Circuses may not be as common today, but there's a certain nostalgic romance to them, and it creates a warm, happy time in Dick's life before Bruce took him in. I'll be breaking this up into two parts: Pre/Post Crisis and Post-Flashpoint. 

Pre/Post Crisis:

Main Members:

To start out, obviously Mary and John Grayson are two thirds of the Flying Graysons. Their backstory is pretty vague pre-Crisis, but post-Crisis John's family history is filled in to include Romani ancestry. While the comics at the time were pretty culturally insensitive, the idea of Dick having Romani ancestry is not a bad one.

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The third mainstay of Haly's Circus is of course, Mister Haly. His name full was not revealed at first, but he's been called C.C. Haly pretty consistently (the name of the circus is C.C. Haly and Norton Bros. Circus). Over the years, Dick returns to the circus at various points, and his interactions with Mr. Haly are similar to that of an uncle/nephew relationship. Interestingly, Mr. Haly is one of the few people to figure out Dick's identity as Robin, and later Nightwing.

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Other Members:

Next is Sando the Strongman. Sando is one of the first members of Haly's Circus that readers encounter outside of the Graysons and Mr. Haly. He is friends with Mary and John, and often played tug-of-war with Dick as a child. When he is falsely imprisoned, Batman and Robin help clear his name.

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When Dick was a child he made friends with all sorts in the circus, including the clowns. One of these was Waldo the Clown, who Dick ran into several more times in his life as Robin. Waldo didn't stay with Haly's, but he did continue to work in other circuses.

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Another clown that Dick befriended was Harry. Harry and Dick would often hang out after shows and go to the movies together. Along with Harry, Dick was also friendly with Margie, the Tattooed Lady. Tattooed Ladies fell out of popularity once television became a thing, but for a time they were performers who defied gender norms by showing off their bodies (and tattoos) in scant clothing.

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Some characters from the circus only appear in one issue. Haly's has had at least two jugglers, one when Dick was a child, called Palmer, and another named Paolo who Dick recognized when he returned to the circus after quitting as Robin.

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The Flying Graysons were the most popular act in Haly's Circus, but they were not the only acrobats in the troupe. For a time, a solo act by the name of The Prodigy traveled with Haly's. He was older than Dick, and treated him like a little brother. His career ended however when he was beaten by local boys in one of Haly' stops, and he could no longer perform his act.

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After the death of the Graysons, Haly's needed to replace its aerialist act. Several performers stepped up over the years, including a new family who used the stage name "The Flying Graysons" in honor of the originals, as well as a young woman named Alyssa, and Cleveland Brand (Deadman's brother). This wasn't the last time Deadman/Boston Brand would be connected to Haly's Circus.

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During Tim Drake's debut story, A Lonely Place of Dying, Dick returned to Haly's for a time. There, he reconnected with old friends like Harry the clown, Jaques, and Soose, who appear to be in charge of the roustabouts and circus workers. Dick also meets Samson the Strongman (not to be confused with Sambo) and Pedro "the dwarf." Samson and Pedro try to frame Harry for the death of another member of the circus, Wilhelm the Lion Tamer. Thankfully, Dick is there to set things right.

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There are other members of the circus who either are unnamed or have minor appearances. At one point Haly's had a Fortuneteller and Fat Lady, who felt close enough to Dick to call him family. Lorna Hill was in charge of hiring new talent during the period when Dick was no longer Robin, but before he was Nightwing. Mr. Poteet was another member of the circus during Dick's first year as Robin, possibly in charge of the workers. Another member of the circus who Dick seemed to know was Irving, who worked for Haly's after Dick was already Nightwing.

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The Animals:

Haly's Circus also boasted an impressive collection of animals, some of whom are named. There were at least two elephants, Elinore and Zitka, both female, and friends of Dick as a child. They also both remembered him when he visited later as an adult. Zitka even saved him from a burning tent.

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Haly's also had several lions that Dick knew as cubs, and two of whom Dick had to tangle with as an adult. Their names were Gunther and Kimba.

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Finally, Dick was also friendly with a monkey named Jimmie.

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End of Part 1.

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