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Nitz's Corner of Pester & Rant ✡️AM YISRAEL CHAI✡️

@newnitz / newnitz.tumblr.com

Was once a blog dedicated to ranting about random shit or raving about my fandoms. Now it's mostly about the 1930s-grade resurgence of antisemitism. If you're here because of Danny Phantom or Ben 10 content, you should still find them with their tags or "lightposting". As for me, I'm a 30 year old(b.'94) Israeli studying env-eng abroad, with a passion for writing and giving my opinions on anything and everything.
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This is your daily reminder to learn your Jewish history with pride. We renounce Jewish hate in all its twisted forms.

yeah the claiming of Jewish figures and prophets as Muslims is a major supercessionist problem with Islam specifically that people don't actually talk about

That's a huge vein in the entire antizionist movement that goyim don't want to deal with.

“a satanic symbol” referring to the Magen David is a very old, very stale (very untrue) libel too.

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“it’s like if-” proceeds to compare Israel/Jews to Christianity, Islam, or Russia. No honey, it really really isn’t like that at all.

(this is about posts that are trying to call out double standards but in doing so exemplify the exact problem of how misunderstood this entire issue is)

“it’s like if Christians were told X because of X horrible thing that is a result of millenia of Christian imperialism and current western Christian hegemony built on the cultural and literal graves of Indigenous peoples and civilizations”

“it’s like if Muslims were told X because of X horrible thing that is a result of millenia of Islamic imperialism and current SWANA Islamic hegemony built on the cultural and literal graves of Indigenous peoples and civilizations”

no actually. it would be like if you decided to become fixated on a specific sovereign Indigenous nation and started developing an entire worldview dictating to them how they should exist in the world both on and off their ancestral sovereign lands, and criticized quite literally every single thing they do not just as a political entity but a cultural one. you pick apart their history and develop an unhealthy fixation on this group nowhere in proximity to you because you believe based on the words of OUTSIDERS that they are doing the worst possible evils in the world. you treat all members of that nation with mistrust and accuse them of being a new iteration of a group which slaughtered and decimated their people.

insert any group. Sioux, Maori, Amazigh, Yazidi, Saami, Aboriginal Australians-

that’s what it’s like.

in other words Jewish history is not like the history of imperializing nations. Jewish history is not like Christian history or Islamic history or any of these types of comparisons people make.

and I feel that a big reason people feel it’s okay to treat us this way is the longstanding sociological impacts of the belief in supercessionism and dhimmitude in the cultural development of the Christian and Islamic nations, respectively. we were, by their own political and religious standards and norms, meant to be subservient and lesser.

idk. just frustrated.

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Would like to once again remind my fellow culturally Christian Westerners that the idea of religion and culture being distinct and separate is very much a Christian idea designed to help Christianity spread as much as possible.

The reason why many non-Christians react with hostility to the idea of religion not existing one day is because for many of us, our religions aren't separate from everything else, they're fundamental parts of our people's cultures and traditions and religion being "obsolete" would mean that our cultures and peoples are "obsolete" too.

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the thing about antisemitism that offends me the most (outside of, you know, horrific violence) is the sense of *ownership* over judaism from non-jewish, especially (in my experience) christian, society. it’s the evangelicals holding seders and the atheists casually joking about “YHWH”. it’s the sense that to them, jews are nothing but a prequel. we are irrelevant, and therefore in the public domain. in more overt examples, it’s holocaust inversion and jokes about “the goyim”. they look at us and say, “all that was yours now belongs to me.” it’s the assumption that our life and culture is open to all, and that we are somehow greedy by not letting them have it.

when we do exist to christian society, it’s as a means to an end: “good thing the jews are still around, otherwise how would they all be gathered in zion?”, or its being treated as a relic, as living replicas of the Old Times: “those silly jews, they’re stuck living in the past!”

it’s dehumanizing, and frustrating, and i hate it.

we had avraham first. we had yaakov and sarai and it is. still. ours. you shouldn’t get to pretend like we don’t exist anymore. we aren’t extinct, no matter how hard some people wished we were, and that isn’t going to change.

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Anonymous asked:

So I saw a Prince of Egypt gifset the other day, and I was going to reblog it, because obviously. But then the comments and notes were just filled with Christians going, "This is so wonderful because it's actually a story prophesying Jesus, and how the blood of the lamb will protect you from death, and blah blah blah" and holy fuck will you just SHUT UP. This is a JEWISH story. Do you not have enough of your own stories, and so you need to steal ours? News flash: Not everything is about you! The holy stories of other religions don't need to be allegories about your religion! I understand that you cannot see the world from a non-Christian theological perspective, but good gravy, give it a rest!

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you literally took a book our ancestors wrote about us for us and said that it was for you. ok.

and then got mad at us because we refused to "coexist" and live by your terms

ah yes, "coexistence," where they get to disrespect us and we don't get to say anything about it.

Ah yes, “coexist,” where they get to enslave us, hunt us for sport on their holidays, and murder us for not relinquishing our culture in order to take on theirs.

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amaditalks

And then to make themselves appear inclusive they made up a term to make it seem like their religion is connected to ours in some way other than their appropriation of our holy writings and some of our language.

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jewish-vents
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A proPal I follow on this site took a break in their anti-Zionist rhetoric to post about the Black Hills that Mount Rushmore was built into. And about how horrible and mocking it is that this landmark was built into a sacred site for the indigenous people here.

Oh dear, how horrible it must be to see something like, say, a giant golden Dome built on the most sacred place in your religion. And to know that your colonizers are able to step foot there, but it is literally illegal for you to ascend and pray on this holy site. (And to know that this is a self-imposed ban for the sake of peace, yet people STILL call you a bloodthirsty apartheid state.)

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Anonymous asked:

A proPal I follow on this site took a break in their anti-Zionist rhetoric to post about the Black Hills that Mount Rushmore was built into. And about how horrible and mocking it is that this landmark was built into a sacred site for the indigenous people here.

Oh dear, how horrible it must be to see something like, say, a giant golden Dome built on the most sacred place in your religion. And to know that your colonizers are able to step foot there, but it is literally illegal for you to ascend and pray on this holy site. (And to know that this is a self-imposed ban for the sake of peace, yet people STILL call you a bloodthirsty apartheid state.)

relevant (fwiw, this was written by a devout Christian):

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hero-israel

My favorite thing about the Dome is that for like 1,200 years it was covered with lead, which is dull and poisonous. It only got the gold covering under Jordanian occupation in 1959, because they needed to try to make it - and themselves - look more important after Israel existed.

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maybe this isn’t the most coexistence-pilled sentiment but i get so angry sometimes when i think about how people took our g-d and decided he was everyone’s g-d, took our holy texts and decided they were everyone’s holy texts, took our holy land and decided it was everyone’s holy land, and we’re expected to just accept that. goyim think they can tell us we’re worshipping our own g-d wrong because they decided he was their g-d too. they think they can criticize how we engage with our own torah because they stole it and changed it and added shit and rewrote it when it was ALWAYS OUR TORAH. they call yerushalayim “the holy land of three religions” because apparently if you colonize someone hard enough you get to claim their holy land as your holy land too and the entire world will just nod their heads right along because the entire foundation of their global society is based on the colonization of ours. and i know it’s antithetical to peace and so i push aside this feeling when i talk about actual solutions and real world actions and consequences but that deep angry part of me does think it’s complete fucking bullshit that christianity and islam get to plunder our entire culture for themselves in between mass murdering us and nobody calls them on it

it’s funny bc i’m pretty sure this rhetoric is exactly what this post is talking abt.

eretz yisrael is the homeland of the jewish people. it was colonized by the romans and the indigenous population, jews, was largely expelled.

the tanakh is the origin story of the jewish people. they are texts written by jews and for jews. christianity appropriated those texts, as in the textbook definition of cultural appropriation. islam as well.

it is not chauvinist to assert that jewish peoplehood and jewish culture belongs to jews. the overwhelming majority of y’all would not say this shit about other ethnic groups. but you’ve convinced yourselves that jews are “just a religion” and therefore not really real. jews are just people who follow judaism and judaism is just a theological belief. it’s voluntary. it’s hypothetical. but the jewish people are not hypothetical. we are an ethnic group, and trying to strip our history and our culture from us is bigoted and antisemitic.

Especially since Romans stole it and declared someone the Messiah just to try to get Jews to stop resisting them because their Messiah came and they killed him. Christianity is a Roman plot to bring us under the heel of their now dead empire.

I am... in dire need of some sources on the above

Also, that extremely tracks with the behavior of the Roman Empire overall

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maybe this isn’t the most coexistence-pilled sentiment but i get so angry sometimes when i think about how people took our g-d and decided he was everyone’s g-d, took our holy texts and decided they were everyone’s holy texts, took our holy land and decided it was everyone’s holy land, and we’re expected to just accept that. goyim think they can tell us we’re worshipping our own g-d wrong because they decided he was their g-d too. they think they can criticize how we engage with our own torah because they stole it and changed it and added shit and rewrote it when it was ALWAYS OUR TORAH. they call yerushalayim “the holy land of three religions” because apparently if you colonize someone hard enough you get to claim their holy land as your holy land too and the entire world will just nod their heads right along because the entire foundation of their global society is based on the colonization of ours. and i know it’s antithetical to peace and so i push aside this feeling when i talk about actual solutions and real world actions and consequences but that deep angry part of me does think it’s complete fucking bullshit that christianity and islam get to plunder our entire culture for themselves in between mass murdering us and nobody calls them on it

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Hot take- making space for healthy expressions of anger in Jewish spaces is good for everybody because it validates our feelings + reminds us we’re not alone.

Keeping stuff like this bottled up for the sake of promoting coexistence has the opposite of its intended effect- that is to say, if the only place it is socially acceptable to display anger like this is in Kahanist circles, we risk alienating other Jews and contributing to division and radicalization, which is exactly the opposite of coexistence.

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Something I wish more gentiles understood, especially Christians, is that "supercessionism" is just a fancy academic term for "colonialism of the soul."

It's cultural appropriation. It's taking our sacred texts and saying "we know your history, your faith, and your G-d better than you do." It's twisting the deeply Jewish meanings of the Tanakh into somehow being about things that wouldn't happen for hundreds or thousands of years. It's taking the history of our people and egotistically making it all about you, somehow. It's trying to split the spiritual atom. It's trying to sever the self from the soul.

It's assuming you know anything about us because your holy texts talk about us, and because you read our stolen texts through a lens that flatters you. You take our practices and denigrate them, and you take our holy sites and bar us from them with violence. And when we protest this, or even simply try to practice our religion and culture in peace, you try to silence us and stop us. Why? Because you can't stand the sight of the people you hurt and stole from. And the longer the violence continues, the more our ongoing survival becomes loathsome to you. You can't face your people's history and you can't face what you took from us, so you would rather we were dead. But our living ghosts haunt your steps and your prayers. You see us everywhere in the things you took from us and your desperate efforts to write us out of our own story and it drives you insane.

But it didn't, and doesn't, have to be like this.

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I saw these tags made @fdelopera on this post and I can't help but think about how the same applies to media. Especially when activism has become so 'fandomized' online.

There's a certain aggression that some develop when Jewish actors, like Tara Strong and Mike Pollack, speak up in defense of Israelis and the response by the fandom is to...draw cartoon characters like Twilight Sparkle and Dr. Eggman saying "Free Palestine" and waving Palestinian flags.

Gentiles resent Jews existing in media, unless they can control them. Fictional characters will never disappoint them; fictional characters can reflect whatever the viewer wants. They can be the eternal "good Jew" - or, even better, not Jewish at all - while the actors who helped bring these characters to life are demonized. Representation in media didn't help gentiles develop empathy for Jews. Representation made gentiles feel like they can control us and shape us in the way that they feel most comfortable.

This is why they love Dead Jews--because Dead Jews can be Good Jews and won't object to the words you're shoving into their mouths.

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One of the most insane currently popular flavors of antisemitism has got to be the “how dare you evil Jews steal our sacred Christian/Muslim theology/culture/holy sites and bastardize them for your nefarious (((Zionist))) purposes” when the theology/culture/holy sites in question are all in fact taken from Jewish religion, tradition, and culture. This bizarre belief that Judaism belongs to everyone but the Jews.

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“Educate yourself”, said the non-jewish person to the jewish person about jewish history, legacy and ancestors. 

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE, AMIRITE??

I like it when Jews think that being Jewish makes them default biblical experts.

Amazing to mock the idea that members of a culture that created its writings and still reads them in the original language are likely to know more about them than members of the culture that appropriated and mistranslated them.

I like it when antisemites think they can hijack a post and make it about themselves/ sarc

Not to mention the Antisemitism inherent in the goyische assumption that Jewish history and culture starts and ends in the Bible...

They always love to say Jews have no claim over the land of Israel because of the Bible, but then use the Bible to “show” how Jewish history was supposed to end.

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The insistence on putting Judaism's influence on the world and politics on par with Christianity and Islam's is just completely fucking absurd and antisemitic to its roots.

Every time you start talking about "major world religions," remember that percentage. 15 million Jews in the world. 0.2% of the global population. Not even a full percent. Not even half a percent. And that 0.2% is still rounding up.

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newnitz

It ignores that Christians and Muslims intentionally spread their influence while the "influence" of Judaism was having our culture and religion stolen, mostly by Christianity.

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Zionism this, Ashkenazi normativity that.

When are goyim going to actually learn the true definition of Jewish words and respect the origins?

Ashkenazi normativity is not a word for goyim to use. It's part of a inter-community discussion amongst jews.

Zionism doesn't mean genocidal, it is a terms which simply means wanting Israel as a modern day state to exist. A peaceful two state solution is zionism.

The fact that yall can't leave jewish terms with their jewish definitions and intended uses is antisemitism. You are taking jewish words and giving them western definitions and acting like those new western definitions have either been the definitions all along or succeed the original jewish definitions.

If you are not wanting to use the jewish definition of jewish words, simply don't use them. Come up with your own words or use words which already fit the definition you are looking for.

Otherwise you are participating in erasure of jewish culture.

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