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as a teacher i have always said that wikipedia was just as good as any other encyclopedia for finding the basics of your topic, but now (at least on jewish subjects) i have to reconsider that opinion.
WJC study on wikipedia bias re: zionism / israel tldr of above change.org petition about the wikipedia bias
gif id: people from a variety of ethnicities and genders with a sign that says "the fight against antisemitism is intersectional"
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Be on the side that values accurate information and combats the spread of misinformation, regardless of whether you agree with the people who are being discussed.
People who say Palestine existed before Israel and Israel is a ‘new country that’s colonizing’ sound like flat earthers. Every piece of logic and evidence proves that is wrong, yet they deny, deny, deny and say that the government is lying.
You can support the rights and dignity and self-determination of Palestinians and other marginalized groups without sounding like a Republican who thinks that Christopher Columbus landed in Washington DC with the American Flag.
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If your advocacy is based on blatant falsehoods and historical revisions then you are building a house of cards on a foundation of quicksand.
#it's such a strange phenomenon because it's like people feel as though they can't acknowledge history while also supporting people#when the reality is you can and should be able to do both#in fact they go hand in hand#erasing jewish history doesn't legitimize anything it just hurts jews...?#amazingly *multiple* groups of people can have valid and meaningful ties to a land!#you do not have to demean and erase one to support the other#you do not have to invent facts to have a legitimate cause
I don't trust these people because it seems like all their sympathy towards the Palestinians depends solely on the Palestinians being a perfect innocent indigenous oppressed group, and if one day they'll find out that the Palestinians don't fit their dream role of the martyr underdog then they would simply lose their sympathy.
These people could never advocate for humans just for being humans, they always need to romanticise them like some fandom.
Jews have been living in Israel since 13th century BC, Muslims conquered the middle east for the first time in the 7th century AD. but it literally doesn't matter, because both the Palestinians and the Israelis are human, and both of them didn't choose where to be born and to whom. Therefore they both equally deserve to have a home and country on that land.
And if you must twist historical facts in order to support the Palestinians, then you don't really care about the Palestinians as people, you just care about them as an idea.
As an Israeli Jew and a Zionist, I have lost friends in the October 7th attack. I have advocated for a Palestinian independent country before this attack, and am still advocating for them now. Because it doesn't matter who was here first, and it doesn't matter who started it and how we hurt each other through history - we are humans, all of us. The Palestinians are my neighbours and we all deserve to live as equals.
And I would never demand the Palestinians to fit into my personal idea of what a good and "worthy" Palestinian is. They are people and therefore they are worthy.
And the same goes about the Israelis and the Jews - we are people, and we should never try to prove to anyone that we are a "good Jew" in order to be worthy.
People need to stop romanticizing this entire conflict. Like those people who said that the Israeli hostages fell in love with the Hamas men keeping them captive made me want to just… UGHHHH
"if one day they'll find out that the Palestinians don't fit their dream role of the martyr underdog then they would simply lose their sympathy."
They do that to Palestinians who oppose Hamas and want peace with Israel. Any Palestinians who aren't raging antisemites hellbent on the annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people, the western pro-Palestine movement can care less about them.
They do this to Palestinians who don’t identify with Arab nationalism or revisionist history. The second a Palestinian would like to hold a party that isn’t (((the Jews))) responsible for upholding their basic human rights, they lose all the support of this movement.
In part, this is because some of the largest proponents of the “Palestinian Cause,” are, in fact, the largest opponents of Palestinian human rights.
See Bashar Al Assad.
See the original “Free Palestine Movement,” which has no qualms providing military aid to Bashar Al Assad.
See the IR and Qatar, who claim to support Palestinians but, in fact, do everything they can to prop up Hamas at the expense of civilian lives.
I’ve literally seen this with people saying “so you think killing Palestinians is okay????” when I say Palestinians aren’t indigenous. I didn’t say killing them for being non-indigenous is okay. YOU did.
It is in fact possible to say “they’re not indigenous and we are, but also they’ve been there long enough there is no “back there” to go to, so both groups need to learn to live together.”
Pure projection on their part. They believe jews are not indigenous so that makes it ok to kill them.
When you hear a Jew say “My ancestral homeland is important to me, to my culture and traditions. Israel means something to us as as a people and we believe it has every right to exist and to defend the lives and safety of its citizens like any other nation on earth,” and you hear “We want all Palestinians dead actually. Yay, genocide,” then that is very much a you problem and you are absolutely operating from a standpoint of ingrained antisemitism.
I follow many Zionists (while my own personal viewpoint is very much pro-Zionist, I won’t ever call myself one because I am not Jewish and it is not my place), and *all* of them without exception, are intelligent, reasonable, peaceful people who want nothing more than the safe return of the hostages held in Gaza, a ceasefire that will guarantee the safety of Israeli and Palestinian civilians alike, and hope for a chance of a future that will uphold the dignity and well being of peoples on both sides of the border. And they are vilified as the worst people alive because they care about Israel and its continued security and the safety of 10 million human beings within its borders.
Meanwhile, almost without exception, any antizionists I’ve come across, as well as having a fundamental misunderstanding of what they’re purporting to be against, have been wildly aggressive, abusive, and think absolutely nothing of using the most vile, violent, dehumanising rhetoric I have ever seen in my life and then have the audacity to bleat about being “on the right side of history.”
I absolutely know where and with who I stand and I do so without apology.
Do you?
From a "Pro-Palestine" protest in Washington DC today, 7/24. The green flag is the flag of Hamas, for those who don't know (who have always maintained their position that their goal is to kill/ethnically cleanse all Jews. They have never gone back on this position, despite what idiots on tiktok may say.)
How much longer are Jews supposed to sit here and be gaslit about the rabid antisemitism that is absolutely taking over the left like a fucking title wave. How much longer will people even pretend that everyone doesn't just think killing Jews is cool again.
Just your regular reminder that if you're not Jewish, you're already not a part of the conversation about what Zionism should or shouldn't look like.... Therefore you cannot be antizionist, that's just appropriated political language.
If you're a random Western goy calling for the end of Israel and GLOBALISED REVOLUTION AGAINST AN IMAGINED JEWISH RULING CLASS, you're not an antizionist, you're a Political-Antisemite and a product of the Red–Green–Brown Alliance reaching its 20 year maturity, the left isn't so much eating itself as it is riddled with a Nazi Parasitic-Trichinellosis.
this is going to sound harsh, but I’m tired of us having to accept crumbs and trying to beg to be recognized as human beings. the photo of Shani being lauded instead of met with the horror it deserves is too much. I think I’m beyond the capability of forgiving these types of actions, it doesn’t matter if someone dirty deletes a post that was full of atrocity denials (cough Wil Wheaton) - the damage was done, and if the someone who does that isn’t willing to apologize or publicly acknowledge why it was harmful to the Jewish community, then I don’t believe they’re actually sorry. someone who cared enough to not spread Jew hatred wouldn’t have done that to begin with. I’m tired of it being our job to tell them why something is wrong and then it being our emotional labor to “get over it.” We don’t owe anybody who thinks rape and murder are resistance our forgiveness.
probably should’ve sent this to @jewish-vents (appreciate both of your blogs so much), idk I just needed to get this anger out somewhere.
No it doesn't sound harsh at all
"we don't owe it to anyone who thinks 'rape and murder are resistance' our forgiveness" is absolutely right and you should say it.
"Forgive and Forget" is for goyim. Our memory spans centuries.
We're better off without these 'so-called allies' anyway.
