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the title of the last song you listened to is the epitaph on your tombstone

Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God)

being honest this is a little too on the nose

um

reblogging this because it's highly likely that I will die in a car crash caused by my older sister because she Cannot Fucking Drive

thanks to @prompted-wordsmith for supplementing my woeful lack of Photoshop abilities

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throwawaybog

how do you handle the weight of carrying the entire plot on your shoulders

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you dont.

oh you try. or at least, you tell yourself that's what you're doing. but the truth is your shoulders are not used to such burdens. the truth of it is that your shoulders are not strong and sturdy and dependable. no. your shoulders ache, the left leans lower than the right. uneven.

you break out in a cold sweat and your try to run to the arms of your mother but you cant outrun the panicked beating of your own hea--

haha no. see this is what would happen. the plot? ive lost it. im certain ive found myself in a completely different genre. id fuck it up probably. but id have a good time leading up to all that at least.

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goddammit can I PLEASE use this in a fic

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I have a question to people who like epic the musical.

It might seem dumb but who cares-

Did Odysseus cheat on his wife in "there are other ways"? Bc I saw a post of someone saying that he didn't, and I got really confused bc I am a greek mythology fan and when I listened to the song, a lot of times I was like 'this is say no to this greek version', I just thought that they didn't want to describe the scene (due to the implications of sex etc..) , bc if we want to be accurate to the story, odysseus does sleep with circe.

So if someone could answer me I would be very glad.

BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO ASK THIS SO I CAN FORCE FEED PEOPLE MY OPINIONS ok here we go

So specifically in There Are Other Ways, Jay chose to opt out of that part of the story where Odysseus is forced to sleep with Circe in order to emphasize his loyalty to his wife as well as show Circe's capacity for grace/kindness. So to answer your question on a purely surface level--no. Odysseus did not sleep with Circe in EPIC specifically.

However. Not only do I personally disagree with this take, I also think it's created a good bit of unnecessary confusion and controversy over Odysseus as a character, so traits such as his loyalty to his wife (which is a central aspect of his character) is questioned.

I don't really like that Jay decided to change that part of the story specifically (no hate, just my opinion) because it feels like it took apart what could have been a really powerfully shown dynamic in order to overemphasize loyalty/kindness on the part of Odysseus and Circe respectively. The dynamic between Odysseus and Circe had the opportunity to be a really gorgeous complex dynamic (they could have brought back the Just a Man motif) between a mortal and a goddess. The fact that Odysseus DIDN'T sleep with Circe in EPIC makes me a little sad because we lost so much of the complexity that makes Odysseus such a good character--the painful and difficult-to-justify decisions he makes and how we as the readers try to make that gel with our modern perspective.

BUT ANYHOW HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED

In EPIC, Circe is defeated and attempts to sell herself in order to protect her nymphs from Odysseus. This creates a weird sort of power dynamic where she's attempting to seduce him as self defense and he's trying to resist it because whoa, what the fuck, I'm married etc etc. If it helps you can imagine her as a mage with like 2 hit points who's rolling for seduction because it's literally her last option. Meanwhile Odysseus is trying to force her to free his men at sword point and getting magically seduced at the same time. (if they'd actually gone through with it, it would have been a very odd mutual rape (?) situation)

This is the OPPOSITE of what happened in the actual Odyssey, where Odysseus was encouraged by Hermes to sell HIMSELF to Circe in order to keep his men safe. In the original myth, Circe was in power the whole time, and Odysseus was forced to beg for sanctuary and the freedom of his men. The price was his body, so he paid it. Again, the OPPOSITE of what happened in EPIC because Jay wanted to emphasize loyalty for Odysseus(which Makes Sense because you can't show Every Characteristic Ever Written in a musical medium) as a main character trait/potential fatal flaw. So we ditched the "Odysseus was forced to sleep with other women to get back to his wife" storyline and stuck with the "Ody loves his wife point blank period" bit.

NOW. The reason why this is not like "Say No to This" from Hamilton is because Odysseus DOES say no--he actively refuses Circe and asks her for help. Hamilton does the OPPOSITE. Also, it's a very different power dynamic from Hamilton--Alexander was a grown ass man talking to a young, married woman. He had nothing on the line but his reputation, and he made several conscious choices to sleep with Mariah Reynolds(eeww on so many levels but I digress).

Odysseus was a very mortal human guy (remember Just a Man?) at the mercy of a goddess who had his life and his men's lives completely under her control. Those are two WILDLY different power dynamics.

To emphasize this, in the book Odysseus is described as taking Circe's knees when he asks her to leave Ogygia. Taking someone's knees in ancient Greece was a posture of supplication--it was the only assured way that your host was required to listen to your request, and was typically only done in situations of desperation or extreme, high-tension situations. Odysseus has to BEG Circe to let him leave. He does something similar when asking her to release his men, and he's "deeply troubled in mind and heart" the whole time. That's not a consensual situation.

A lot of people are using this inaccuracy as far as the "source material" to hate on Odysseus because "he fucked his way up and down the Mediterranean" and "no one's acknowledging that Odysseus was a cheater lol"

which?? odysseus only slept with TWO women in the whole 20 years he was away from Ithaca and both of them were immortal (some people like to use hecuba as a gotcha, but let's be real. She's like 29 years older than him and he's happily married. I don't think so). so he was not "fucking his way up and down the Mediterranean"--he was COERCED and FORCED into sexual relationships with women goddesses who were significantly more powerful than him. I think the description of his relationship with Calypso was "one unwilling lover and the other all too willing" which is disgusting and it's extremely difficult to believe that anyone would characterize That as consent but ok

that was definitely way Too Much Information but I hope this helped!

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The haunting ancient Celtic carnyx being played for an audience. This is the sound Roman soldiers would have heard their Celtic enemies make.

Okay but. It wouldn't have been JUST one. There would've been multiple people blowing these things. So to set the scene fully:

You're a Roman soldier. You've settled in for the night. You drew the long straw and got to sleep tonight. You've just drifted off after a long day of marching toward what you think will be victory. And then you're awoken with a start. You hear deep bass growling, and the sound of a trumpet. There are even sounds of what seems to be screams (because you can make those scream if you choose).

You have no idea where it's coming from. The sound echoes throughout your encampment. It sounds like the beasts of hell have come to claim you and drag you into the underworld. This is surely a test from whatever deities you believe in. And you don't know how many there are out there because the sounds you're hearing overlap, and the acoustics (unbeknownst to you) are making it sound like you're surrounded.

And then, you're under attack. Your spirit shaken, your resolve barely holding on, you're in a fight for your life against warriors with hair spiked up, faces stark white with lime, chests bare and no less bright and frightening in the pale firelight that you made to see a bit further in the darkness. You are under attack by what seems like spirits or demons.

THAT is what it would've been like to hear those sounds. Sheer terror, and then being confronted with what would've looked like horrific visages all around you.

Listen, I wouldn’t care if it gets me executed. I’m making the sign of the cross for this shit because what the fuck 0-0

was listening to this in class and it rattled my brain out of my fucking skull dudes

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Another hi, also could you tell me more about your love for Odysseus? I think this is super interesting. I always struggled to like him. I mean he lived through so many adventures but he also seems to forget his family and live his life happily with other women. I always pitied Penelope so much. So I always wanted to strangled him. I mean I love bad characters but how he he basically says "wife son kingdom I missed you so much. I never forget you." feels super wrong because at the same time he tasted so much half the women of the Greek islands. :/ So idk I simply want to know why you feel in love with him? That would be super interesting for me. But you don't need to answer this if you don't want to. I understand if you don't want or don't have time.

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I'm not going to lie I kept trying to answer this and then getting mad lmao

Anyways. "Tasted half the women of the Greek islands" is a gross way to say he slept with two goddesses, one of which he did under hermes' reccomendation

and the other blatantly against his will. The latter of which, by the way, kept him trapped on an island for 7 years, in which every day he would go to the shore and cry for home.

Technically in some version he was also given hecuba after the war? Though she isn't present in the Odyssey so I'm not really counting that

Insert this fun little passage

What a fun passage.

Here's another one where he stayed up for 9 days straight to make sure he got home

You know how he lived many adventures? It's because he kept trying to go home. He did not live his life happily with other women. He stayed one year on Circe's island and that's maybe the closest you can attribute to that, but he had also just lost 11 of his 12 ships and men so I'm inclined to give him a break. 7 years were spent trapped on Ogygia. The other 2 years were spent sailing around trying to get home

He also constantly talks about his son in the iliad, as well as Penelope. Not as much in the Odyssey because you don't talk about your son and wife to strangers

Here are some more fun passages for fun

Very fun.

I'm not really sure why I keep getting asks like this considering I Am a blog primarily that posts about Odysseus, or why so many people think he was prancing around Greece fucking women left and right but okay

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love it when people get educated

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