OH GODDD
There's bikes and a basketball hoop.... Mobius has kids on the sacred timeline... MOBIUS HAS KIDS!!!!!!
(Not sure about the sheets tied into a rope out the window, rebellious teen sneaking out?!)
And Loki has to ask him to leave his family behind to save the TVA...
Mobius's biggest fear about having a good life on the timeline came true. Loki is the only one who knows this and he has to take Mobius away knowing this will make his fear a reality...
I'm crying and throwing up right now.
... It's the same picture.
Okay so I haven't posted anything in about 2 years but ssshhh...
Apologies if anyone has already posted this theory, but the 'our loki will be with our Mobius' line from the featurete has reminded me of this. I don't think the Mobius we see at the end of S1 is from an alternative universe. I think it is still 'our Mobius'. Instead, Mobius doesn't recognise Loki because Loki has never existed.
Now Sylvie has killed He Who Remains, she is in control of the timeline. She uses her new power to give herself what she's always wanted: a life. To do this, she must first remove the existing life the Sacred Loki lives and replace it with her own. Two Lokis existing at once would probably cause too many nexus events for time to flow smoothly. Instead, Sylvie replaces Sacred Loki's life with her own, mundane one. This is why she works at McDonald's so she can live a normal life.
Loki, therefore doesn't exist, especially not in any significance for the TVA to take nite which is why Mobius doesn't recognise our Loki.
I think the climax of the series will be Mobius in trying to restore Loki back into the timeline by wearing the temperal radiation suit and physically repairing the timeline... risking his life to do so.
However, I think by removing Loki from the timeline, the timeline as a whole will begin to unravel. Without Loki, Thor remains an arrogant prince and never becomes a hero. The Avengers never assembled to stop Loki in New York. Thanos easily wipes out the half universe. This makes it even easier for Kang to take control of time with no opposition to stop him.
And loki will see that, even though he mainly played the role of villain on the timeline, he was just as vital as any of the heroes.
Reactions to the first set photos of Loki season 2:
Okay so I told myself I wouldn't over-analyse trailers again but...
Do you think Thor's Loki tattoo is evidence of Thor finally accepting Loki's death?
We've seen Thor's tributes before, the helm on his cuffs in Avengers and the lock of hair in Age of Ultron. But these were both temporary. Thor can remove the cuffs and the hair, and he does, once he finds out loki is still alive.
He can't do that with the tattoo.
It will be with him all his life... Like loki was supposed to be...
Thor has finally accepted his brother is not coming back this time.
(On a more positive note, when if loki returns to the main timeline then we could end up with a scene with Loki holding Thor's hand has he has the tattoo laser removed!)
So after seeing Dr Strange, I'm guessing these are the rules for variants in the multivurse?
Okay so I haven't seen endgame in a while so forgive me if I get the details wrong but...
What if the reason Thor was so desperate to be the one who does the snap was so he could bring Heimdall and Loki back?!
Bruce only wanted to undo Thanos' original snap and bring back the half of the population that were dusted. Its just hit me that Thor loses everyone he cares about before the snap. Undoing it won't bring back his home, his friends or his brother.
However, Thor could have modified his snap in a way which would have saved loki. He could have used it to undo the deaths of everyone Thanos killed, meaning Heimdall and Loki.
That's was he was begging Tony to let him wield the gauntlet; it was his only chance of bring his family back... And he denied this last hope...
Just so we're clear... Mobius could have picked any bad memory for loki's prison, God knows loki has enough of them, and he picked one where loki was at home, on Asgard after playing a prank.
Not the memory of him finding out he's a frost giant.
Not the memory of him falling from the bifrost.
Not a memory of him being tortured by Thanos.
Mobius sent him home.
He put him in a time loop of being beaten up and told that he deserves to be alone to break him down psychologically and it worked. On a meta-narrative level that was the memory because Jaimie Alexander was who was available to film the scene but within the story he chose that memory because of what he wanted Loki to internalise: that he is undeserving of love and will always be alone. That is the entire point of that time loop. It is not in any way an act of kindness and it’s fucked up to frame it as one, or to act like some people in the notes as if it’s a positive thing for Loki psychologically that he ends up on his knees apologising to someone who — by dint of not being real — cannot actually accept that apology from him.
You can try to say that Mobius didn’t have a choice because he had to “play along” with the TVA so he tried to choose a nice memory but (1) the only two people who knew what the content of that time cell was were Mobius and Loki, he could in fact have put Loki in an actual good memory or somewhere neutral rather than giving him the “pathetic worm” special, and (2) he laughs as he is putting Loki in.
Try to be told that you deserve to be alone a million fucking times and also being beaten up. Oh, yeah, sure Mobius the Saint was totally looking after Loki by putting him in that time loop. 🙄
Yikes
I love Mobius but this post is absolutely right. Twisting that scene to be romantic in any way is just delusional.
Right. Okay. I don't usually reply to comments but here we go...
First off, sure, loki gets a kick in the nuts a few times. Not exactly fun, that's true. But this is the guy who was thrown around by the hulk and was cracking jokes like five minutes after. It's fair to say that would not have been too painful for Loki, relatively speaking. To be fair, I have not been kneed in the balls so I can't speak, but I'm almost certain that being shaken like a rag doll by hulk, or enduring systematic torture from Thanos, or being hit with mjolnir would have been a lot more painful. Also, is loki experiencing new pain or just reliving the memory of pain from when this originally happened?
Secondly, Mobius was definitely being monitored. Or, at the very least, believed he was. "Timekeepers are watching" is a hint that Mobius believes that his every action was being watched. Also, if a time cell is meant to be the TVA's prison cell, then surely these would be under constant supervision to make sure their prisoners weren't trying to escape? Probably not a coincidence that Renslayer was waiting for Mobius the second he and loki exited the time cell. Even though she knew Mobius had switched the tempads, she knew immediately knew that Mobius was planning on betraying the TVA. And hunter B15 took Sylvie to an apocalypse, not a time cell when asking her about the memories as apocalypses are proven TVA blind spots while time cells are not. Mobius had to choose a memory that appeared to demonstrate how he was "working his loki". Don't think he could have gotten away with a memory of loki playing with a load of puppies or going to town on a big pile of nuts and grapes.
My main point concerns why Mobius picked a memory where loki is told he will always be alone. Obviously, this isn't exactly pleasant but, presumably loki has heard way worse. His own adopted father told him is birth right was to die, for example. (After this variants nexus event but I would bet Odin has been saying this type of shit to loki for centuries.) This is coming from Sif who Loki doesn't exactly hold in high regard so I doubt he really cares what she thinks. In fact, apart from his family, loki doesn't really care about what most of Asgard thinks about him which could be an essay in itself. Loki even says this himself, by stating he never thought about it ever again. This bit is my really main point, I promise. Mobius wants loki to think about Sif's words, to consider if he really deserves to be alone. In my opinion, loki didn't think about Sif's words because he believed them and accepted that he would be alone. We never see him form any relationships, romantic or otherwise, and he even admits that he betrays his family which leads to the breakdown of these relationships too. Loki believes he deserves to be alone so does nothing to maintain relationships. Until Mobius.
Whether you ship them or not, Mobius and Sylvie are the first relationships we see Loki fight to preserve. When Mobius asks Loki if he believes he deserves to be alone, loki sates he is unsure. However, by the end of the episode Loki is willing to tell Sylvie his feelings for her, something which is 'new' to him after previously denying his relationship with her to Mobius. He also goes on to acknowledge his friendship with Mobius. For the first time, we see Loki actively trying to build relationships with those around him rather than push them away.
Mobius wanted loki to accept that he is worthy of love and happiness. That is why he put him in that time cell. Loki needed to re-evaluate his internalised self-hatred so that he could embrace the new relationships being extended to him... Small price to pay for a knee to the bollucks in my opinion...
Stupid Disney plus didn't let me screenshot but...
Omgggg yessss here it is!!!
This show is amazing!
Stupid Disney plus didn't let me screenshot but...
Just so we're clear... Mobius could have picked any bad memory for loki's prison, God knows loki has enough of them, and he picked one where loki was at home, on Asgard after playing a prank.
Not the memory of him finding out he's a frost giant.
Not the memory of him falling from the bifrost.
Not a memory of him being tortured by Thanos.
Mobius sent him home.
The ship from the new loki trailer... Apparently could teleport through time and different dimensions...
Oh shit... Oh no...
I've just realised something...
So all the variants follow the path of Loki in the sacred timeline, so the path we see Loki follow thought the main mcu films. From the clips we see that Sylvie is captured by the TVA as a child so, up until the point she is caught, we can assume her life was identical to the loki we know in the films.
What if the nexus event that caused her variation was loki exploring their gender identity for the first time?
Sylvie tells us she knew she was adopted so maybe Frigga and Odin decide to tell her as a child, which leads to her questioning her identity, questioning her gender and eventually becoming female.
Only for the TVA to turn up and take her away, to tell her that what she did was wrong, that she was never meant to exist... Which young Sylvie would clearly perceive as them telling her that genderfluidity is wrong, and see the TVA trying to erase a key part of her identity.
However, she escapes the TVA (probably with the help of a certain agent with a soft spot for broken things) and is forced to live life in the shadows. She changes her name, distancing herself from the person she has been told she was meant to be. She embraces her female identity. She dies her hair in an expression of bodily autonomy.
She makes it her mission to destroy the TVA so she can exist not only as a Variant, but as a woman.
