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My only two moods are bisexual and clinically depressed – Ana – [she/ela] - 18yo – brazilian and tired
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What she says: I’m fine.

What she means: The constant woobification of Fëanor and his sons and the constant Noldor bias in the fandom has really made it difficult for me to actually enjoy the Fëanorians and most of the Noldor as characters. It really doesn’t help that a lot of people like to demonize the Sindar for so many reasons. These fans won’t extend the same grace they give to the Fëanorians to Sindarin characters like Thingol, who made mistakes but at least tried to make amends for them, unlike Fëanor and his sons. In addition, their need to demonize Beren and Lúthien is honestly appalling, because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of their story and the broader themes of the Silmarillion— that there is hope in the world that’s worth fighting for. And furthermore, the constant demonization and victim-blaming of Dior and Elwing is genuinely unsettling, especially when the Fëanorians are pitied for the crimes they committed. Lastly, their obsession with property rights and the Silmarils, and their willingness to justify the Kinslayings shows that these people have not truly read or understood the text, and they probably don’t want to properly understand it.

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Help for Reading Tolkien

I’ve done my best to gather a set of resources to make Tolkien more accessible, to both disabled fans and those who struggle with denser and more academic writing. 

Free audiobooks:

*There are two versions of HoME 9, Sauron Defeated and The End of the Third Age. TEotTA is the shorter version, as I’ve been unable to find the longer one.

Spark Notes for:

Aids to reading the Silmarillion:

The Tolkien Road Podcast read out and then discuss each chapter of The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion

@expertsofarda‘s post of people who can answer questions and help you understand the books

Please do let me know if you find free audio books for the rest of HoME or for The Nature of Middle Earth!

Time For An Update

Seeing as there’s likely to be an influx of new fans in the next few months, it seemed like a good moment to come back to this post. I want to welcome new people to the fandom and provide a few aids for those who might be thinking about reading Tolkien for the first time!

I don’t mean to insinuate that you have to read the books to be a fan, but if you are interested then hopefully this might help you out. (I would, however, appreciate if people didn’t send me any asks about TROP as I’m choosing not to interact with it.)

With that goal in mind, I’ve fixed or altered some of the links above and decided to tack on additional resources.

Audiobooks:

@zitasaurusrex let me know about Phil Dragash’s unabridged Lord of the Rings audiobook which also incorporates Howard Shore’s musical score from the films

@absynthe–minded​​ brought my attention to LearningAlly, a charity that provides audiobooks to disabled people in the USA. Unfortunately there’s several caveats; you have to be in the USA or a US citizen, you have to provide print proof of disability and there’s a small fee. However, it has audiobooks of many of Tolkien’s works including some that I couldn’t find elsewhere online.

Read the books for free online

*these ones are PDFs. 

I chose the ones with the best formatting, because there’s nothing more annoying than trying to read a thousand pages of badly formatted writing. If any of these links are broken, you can try searching pdfdrive.com or archive.org. Alternatively, novel80.com has LOTR, The Hobbit, The Silmarillion, The Children of Hurin, HoME 2, The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, and a few others unrelated to Middle Earth.

Let me know if a link breaks. I’ll end this post with a read more, and if a link breaks or new resources turn up then I’ll add them under the cut.

None of these links should require a download, but the PDFs can be downloaded (or converted to epub and sent to your Kindle) if you wish. I’ve checked them all out personally but remember to use caution and common sense when downloading from the internet. Pdfdrive is a safe site, but occasionally there are pop ups that try to trick you into clicking on fake download links. Only download the pdfs from pdfdrive itself, from the buttons that look like this:

a yellow button that says "Preview" and a blue button that says "Download".
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But what if you want to go absolutely nuts about Arda?

A great post was made several years ago with a list of resources for Tolkien fans. Unfortunately some of it is it of date now; most of the blogs listed are inactive and the book links no longer work. However, the sections on references and languages are still valid and incredibly useful!

Want to know more about the living creatures of Arda? Check out:

Want to go feral about the land itself? Try:

Also, while I’m here I’m going to boost @silmarillionwritersguild, @antiracist-tolkien, @hobbitlotrpoc ​, @fyeahsilmpocs​ (inactive), @brighter-arda. Feel free to tag your favourite or most useful Tolkien blogs in the notes.

(Cut here: if I find new resources or the links to audiobooks/pdfs break, I’ll add new links here. I’m keeping it under the line so that I can edit it at will.)

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Update on this 'Beren and Luthien' stuff!

It was confirmed in this version that Daeron IS in fact the brother of Luthien and son of Thingol (he went by a different name). He also only told his father about Beren because he was scared and fled at the sight of him due to him being a stranger.

This is interesting and I REALLY REALLY want to know what freaking version I'm reading damnit!!!

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Fisher's Silvan Canon Project

I'm starting a new sub-masterlist for a series of posts I'd like to do about Silvan elves, both as a group and as individuals, including canon sources, meta, and my own headcanons, each of which I'll try to mark clearly as such. If you'd like to be tagged in future posts, please let me know in the comments so I can keep track of those requests in one place!

Canon Sources & Meta

This one is important background information for your consideration: On Canon Regarding Silvan Elves: Biased Narrators and my Intended Approach

The First Age (in Three Parts)

The Second Age (in Three Parts)

My Headcanons & More Personal Meta Posts (including those that go into my fic/worldbuilding)

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Would Thranduil ever give Elrond help/advice on How To Survive Without A Wife (fun or angsty, this could go either way)? Or not so much?

Thranduil wouldn’t leave Elrond hanging like that, especially because he knows exactly what amazing of a person he’s losing. 

I headcanon that Elrond sent for Thranduil after Celebrian got rescued but couldn’t be healed, assuming that if any darkness could be reversed in a soul that Thranduil and his people would have figured it out by now. Thranduil arrived even faster than Elrond expected, this instance was the second last recorded time that Thranduil left Greenwood. 

The morning he left for home, Celebrian was about to make him promise to help Elrond through this and Thranduil was already crying when he introduced without her having to say anything with saying: “Of course I will, of course. He will not be alone in this. I knew that the moment I entered this valley.” 

Both Elrond and Thranduil know that Celebrian will have to sail west or fade when they say goodbye at the gate of Imladris. 

“I’m sorry, Elrond.” Was all Thranduil could manage to say before he just gave Elrond possible the biggest, tightest hug he had ever received. For approximately 2-10 minutes while Elrond cried until there was nothing left to be cried. 

Thranduil took either side of Elrond red, snotty face and told him: “You are not alone. Send word to me whenever you need, Elrond. I will figure something out.” 

Elrond did not miss the significance of the fact this was the first time that Thranduil had not attached “Lord” to his name. 

Thranduil returns to Imladris on 2 other occasions, both times because Elrond needed moral support. Ironically, the disappearance of the only thing they had in common was the start of a genuine friendship - type - thing between Elrond and Thranduil. 

Plus, when he had Estel, Thranduil can give him tips on how to rule a nation while also having mash peas flung at your head by an irate toddler. 

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Oropher dying and the first face he sees after reaching the halls is thingols

Poor Oropher 😭😭 He must have been so confused at first, maybe he even thought he passed out in the battlefield and he was having some sort of dream about Thingol but he's super excited to see him nonetheless. Even if it IS only a dream.

But then it set in that it isn't a dream, it's real. At least, his version of reality now. And he' still so, so happy to be with his best friend again. The one he's known and loved since the literal dawn of time for the elves.

But he's still so sad. Heartbroken and devastated because he left his boys. He left his people. He left his body as Thranduil held him close screaming and begging for him not to go.

At least Thingol is there to hold him tightly as he experiences a different kind of grief that he never expected

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I absolutely refuse to believe that Thranduil was anything less than annoying intelligent. If only out of spite.

He has a crippling need to win arguments and have the last word on things, and how do you do that? You outsmart or downright confuse your opponent. That's how. Especially when a bunch of elves flood into your home that think you lesser than them.

He used to start arguments or debates literally just to practice at it, just to increase his chances of winning the next one.

He used to devour tons of books in the library in Doraith and listen with full attention and rapt anytime any expert spoke about anything. He would throw himself in the midst of anything interesting and try and soak it all up like a sponge.

This not only made him good at arguing, but an extremely knowledgeable and overall just a generally intelligent and aware person.

Evidence:

Thranduil was not only able to survive a centuries long Real Life Chess game with Actual Satan's Extremely Angry And Sneaky Husband aka the Necromancer. He fucking won it.

Can you imagine how intelligent he would have to be to constantly outwit (or at the very least match-wits) with a Maiar??? A literal demigod / archangel??? Like???? FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS????

I think he's just significantly more subtle and quite about it, much less so than any Noldor would be. And so everybody overlooks him, and his brain. But he's okay with that, because he's watched what happens to elves who try and proclaim themselves to greatness. And does not intend to follow their footsteps to the grave.

He's smart that way.

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I just can’t see it! His capital used to be Amon Lanc: it was abandoned to the Necromancer. By the time of the Hobbit, the Wood-elves can't even hold the elven-path through Mirkwood safe. Their land is dark and full of spiders, and when they go out to feast in the woods, they are set up so that if there’s any interruption at all, they vanish.  

Thranduil retreated as far as he could, and was pretty much under siege.

I mean, yes, they weren't wiped out, and that's a great achievement that demonstrates why the Silvan Elves may have taken him as their king, but he didn't win.  He was stuck between the Necromancer and the Dragon, only still alive because the Dragon was asleep and the Necromancer hadn’t come that far north yet.  The White Council rescued him from the Necromancer, and Bard rescued him from the threat of the Dragon.   Galadriel in Lorien is a damn sight closer to Dol Guldur than Thranduil is, and she’s the one that canonically spends her time picking Sauron’s brains.  An alliance with Galadriel and Celeborn would make sense, but Thranduil dislikes them, so no (until that great moment during the Ring War when FINALLY they all work together!).  

And Thranduil calls himself a king,  spends his time having parties with lots of strong wine,  loses his temper with some random dwarves and flings them in jail (Thranduil!  Don’t you already have ENOUGH enemies? The Iron Hills are one of your few non-Evil neighbours! ) I love Thranduil dearly, but ‘clever’ is not how I would describe him. I love him as a proud, flawed, argumentative, partying and possibly even self-destructive king. 

I mean, all throughout Middle Earth's history elves are run out of their cities because of Sauron. Its hardly a rare occurrence., (Gondolin, for example.) Sometimes it isn't necessarily the lack of the Rulers intelligence that causes a thing to happen, but simply the lack of power to repel the attack. Also, the dwarves wander off of the elven road and (at least in the movie verse) they are rescued quickly once they’re in immediate danger.  

I see them having a spell set up so that they vanish if they get interrupted as a sign of their intelligence, to be honest. The war fought was very, very long. They can’t stop living their lives totally because of it, they can’t stop enjoying their forest, they can’t stay inside forever. And so they found a way to lives they liked while also keeping themselves safe. I think it's a very clever little trick indeed. 

Also, I think him throwing parties for his wood elves is also a type of strategy and cleverness. If your life and your world is surrounded by so much hate and dark, you kinda have to create your own pockets of sunshine to enjoy. If all the elves are always super depressed, sad, and have nothing good, fun and exciting to look forward too, it would be an absolute disaster. I see it much more as a way of him keeping his kingdom functioning with a semblance of morral. 

The Necromancer might have been geographically closer to Galadriel's realm, but he didn’t really bother her a fraction of the amount he did Thranduil. She didn’t share a forest with him. Plus, she also had the aid of her Evlen ring and the rest of the White Council who basically completely ignored Thranduil and his realm. 

Its super good for her to pick at his brains during the war, but that's a very different thing than him actively and relentlessly attacking her kingdom for years and years. The only time they really do anything of effect to the ruin of Dol Guldur was after the One Ring had already been destroyed, and they Sauron had finally sent an actually attack them. 

They didn’t rescue him from anything when they ‘banish’ the necromancer, as he wasn’t by any means defeated and they did absolutely nothing about the rest of his army and forces still at the fortress. In fact, they had to chase him out twice because the first time he just slunk back pretty much as soon as they left. 

The only time I think they were ‘rescued’ was when Galadriel and Celeborn arrived to help demolish Dol Guldur, but again, this a few battles VS the hundreds of years Thranduil's people had. 

Also it was because of the White Councils meddling that Smaug woke up in the first place. And while it’s absolutely true Bard killed the Dragon I don’t see how equates to Thranduil's intelligence. 

Perhaps the argument could be made that he simply should have moved his people to another place, away from the Dragon and Dul Guldur. But, where would they go? To Galadriel and Celeborn who essentially washed way all aspects of the Silvan Culture because Galadriel thought her own superior? To Imladris? 

There really isn’t very many places left for them to turn. Plus moving a literal entire kingdom and all its people would require a lot of preparation and money to make sure half of them didn’t die on the way. I don’t really see how it would be feasible for them to leave their forest after the destruction of Amon Lanc. 

He loses his temper with the dwarves because Thorin refuses to give him any information about why a random group of twelve dwarves showed up so close to his home and followed his people through the woods three separate times. Wit the Necromancer so close, and the war so long, and with the knowledge of the sack of Menegroth in the back of his mind, he got upset when all Throin would say was: “We were hungry.” 

Doesn’t that sort of seem like something somebody who was up to no good would do? Give you one single answer to every single one of your questions?  I don't think I would have trusted him either. Imprisoning them might be a tad extreme, but it wasn’t like Thranduil mistreated them. He gave them plenty of food, water, and comfort. He didn’t hurt them in anyway. Nothing. He just wanted to know why they were there. 

I’m glad we can both deeply enjoy his character, even if we do see him in dissimilar ways 😊😊😊

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I think something that gets lost in the discourse of whether Beren and Luthien were wrong for not giving the Silmaril to the Fëanorians is that Luthien was kidnapped and held captive by Celegorm and Curufin, whose end goal was forcing her to marry - and with how Tolkien's elf marriage=sex that would require sexual assault or coercion in the very least - and then tried to murder her fiancé. And to her knowledge, C+C were never reprimanded for it by the other brothers. The only public consequence they got from their own family was in the form of Celebrimbor leaving. I love the Fëanorians, I really do, but if I were in Luthien's shoes, I would tell the entire family (minus Celebrimbor) to get fucked. I would not be taking the moral high ground and handing over the Silmaril to the guys who imprisoned me and tried to kill my loved one for sake of property rights and family heirlooms. The expectation that she should is wild.

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I wholeheartedly am in love with luthienne’s character analysis of Legolas Thranduilion and this line «it’s impossible for me to think about legolas and not think about his father and his grandfather, to not think about the life he must have lived leading up to the forming of the fellowship.» set my heart aflame to speak on Oropher, and how his selflessness and wisdom is reflected in Thranduil and Legolas.

I have a deep love for Oropher, the canon character with only two pages or so dedicated to him. I think that the House of Oropher is chiefly characterised by resilience and non-violence, which is saying A LOT coming from the lineage of a Sindarin Prince of Doriath who not only has witnessed the Fall of Doriath, but also the second and third Kinslayings. To the House of Oropher (and Celeborn?) should be the right for vengeance against the Dwarves and the Noldor, or to pass judgement on those who had stood aside at Sirion. However, that is not what Oropher chose to do. Oropher’s entire reign as King of Greenwood was a big contrast to how he was described in the last alliance, and regrettably by some in fandom: “rash, hateful, isolationist”.

Indeed, Oropher did not stay in Lindon (forlindon, the seat of Gil-galad)—and this is so understandable because of its chiefly Noldor population, which must be triggering even if they were not the sons of Feanor. And to this point, I have to remind the reader that even Celeborn and Galadriel did not stay in Forlindon, so let’s be fair here. And later, each of these leaders moved away: C G C (Tyelpe) to Eregion, and Oropher much further east over the Misty Mountains to Greenwood.

Oropher had come among them with only a handful of Sindar, and they were soon merged with the Silvan Elves, adopting their language and taking names of SIlvan form and style. This they did deliberately; for they came from Doriath after its ruin, and had no desire to leave Middle-earth, nor to be merged with the other Sindar of Beleriand, dominated by the Noldorin Exiles for whom the folk of Doriath had no great love.

I always found it quite amazing and inspiring that Oropher literally travelled halfway across the “globe” as he knew it, with only a handful of his people, and joined with the Silvan elves. Think about the would-be King —who may not even know he was going to be a King— camping out on harsh lands, hunting on the hills, crossing two great rivers, and scaling the immense Hithaeglir, just for a shot at:

They wished indeed to become the SIlvan folk and to return, as they said, to the simple life natural to the Elves before the invitation of the Valar had disturbed it.

This is such a huge shade being thrown at the Sundering of the Three Kindred, waaaay back when. It is so heartwarming and endearing that Oropher and his friends REMEMBERED there exist other of their folk! And would brace all these unknowns mapless lands to go join them and live among them and be with them? What was going through his mind? And when we think about the Woodland Realm holding back the forces of Dol Guldur in Legolas’s time? Would Greenwood the Great be overrun if Oropher did not make this journey, if Oropher did not go to a distant land? Indirectly or literally, Oropher’s coming empowered and defended the Silvan Elves. His knowledge from Doriath, his knowledge about the enemies they will be facing in the future, would greatly survive the Silvan elves.

Three times did Oropher move his people, for different reasons. He’s not perfect, he’s traumatised, but yet he chooses a non violent way of avoiding his triggers.

In the Second Age their king, Oropher, had withdrawn northward beyond the Gladden Fields. This he did to be free from the power and encroachments of the Dwarves of Moria (…) and also he resented the intrusions of Celeborn and Galadriel in Lorien. But as yet there was little to fear between the Greenwood and the Mountains and there was constant intercourse between his people and their kin across the River, until the War of the Last Alliance.
See also Note 14 of Disaster Of The Gladden Fields

From my point of view, it always looked like Oropher was escaping from the trauma of Doriath and the Kinslayings. We must remember that even though Galadriel had no part in the Kinslayings, she withheld vital information. Prophecy may null whatever she could have revealed, but to a Sindarin Prince of Doriath who sees his King and people slaughtered before his very eyes? This is all very real, very traumatising, and I can understand Oropher pinning some kind of disdain on ~ all Dwarves ~ or ~ all Noldor ~. Oropher does not take any offensive measure, or drive them out. No, Oropher himself chose to walk away from his chances for vengeance. Heck, he might even be so self aware of his or his people’s feelings that he chooses to leave before some kind of accident happens. However, Oropher remains professional as a King and the realms do communicate often before the Last Alliance. This can be inferred as Oropher had peace with the realms of Moria and Lorien, despite past trauma.

I think Oropher has such a big heart, and quite a lot of patience as well. It must take a hefty amount of resources and planning to move a huge number of people not once, but three times. Then I remember Thranduil’s iconic line in The Hobbit: ❝ Long will I tarry ere I begin this war for gold. ❞ His father did not choose war at any point in time, until the moment where it counted, and this is the kind of wisdom that Thranduil has. Thranduil lived through all of Oropher’s decisions to move, and it must be quite stressful on a young person to have to uproot their entire life to move? Yet Thranduil must also have been one of Oropher’s closest councils, being the only named son of Oropher, and Thranduil listens to his father’s wisdom and it shows through in The Hobbit, where Thranduil does not choose to take the offensive until all other means has been exhausted. I, for one, could clearly see that Oropher brought up his son well.

Legolas’ decision to help Aragorn rebuild Minas Tirith, could it also be him remembering how his grandfather and father rebuild their people after every set backs? Oropher’s big heart and willpower to put all of his life’s work into another people, and shelter them as his own?

The House of Oropher could honestly be a romance novel! They are capable of such great love and selflessness despite, despite, despite.

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Anonymous asked:

this may be a weird question but you joked that you own legolas in some tags, and as it happens i’m in love with lotr/the legendarium and also adore your blog. which is to say that i’d love to hear some of your thoughts on him, if you’re comfortable sharing?

ahh hi yes i think he’s such an interesting character!! there’s something so fascinating about the wood-elves for me, something so rooted in folklore and myth that compels my imagination. the dark wood inhabited by the deathless. more below cut:

as much as we know that boromir is tempted by the ring because his people are fighting a seemingly pointless battle just to hold back sauron’s forces at the expense of their own people—we can infer that the situation for legolas is exactly the same. the forces of dol guldur are held back by the wood-elves and no one else. thranduil has no ring of power to protect his people, has no other armies at his back, no aid from the other elven realms.

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I’m not going to call this a headcanon, but rather a head-characterization, but I believe that each of the Finwean first born heirs (Maedhros, Fingon, Finrod) wished a different uncle was his father

Or, rather, that their father was more like one of their uncles. Like so-

Maedhros, looks at Fingolfin and sees a king and a diplomat and a statesman of unrivaled poise. His father is not so composed, he’s flighty and bombastic, genius but miserable at following the details of things that don’t interest him. Is it wrong that Maedhros wishes to be the heir of someone with such focus and dignity as Fingolfin?

Fingon, meanwhile, looks at Finarfin and sees a good man with good perspective. His father is more short-sighted, more prone to offense and pettiness. His father is also deeply committed to honor and decency! But he misses moments of simple joy, freedom, and forgiveness. Why could Fingon’s house not also simply live happily like Finarfin’s?

Finrod, though, oh Finrod, he looks at Feanor and he sees and Elf-prince of stature and grandiosity and individuality. His father is a simple man, a kind and good man, but he lacks all ambition. He won’t do anything to advance his interests, his name and power, or that of his children. Why could Finrod not be the son of so great and bright an Elf as Feanor?

All three of them love their fathers, but there is a point where their values don’t align, and there is an uncle who fits their vision just a little better…

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Legolas, who is young by elf standards, A wood elf, who worships the stars and light. stuck underneath a mountain, in the dark. He's used to the dark, the suffocating darkness that has taken hold of his home. but here underneath stone he's cut off from nature, he can't hear it, feel it. its alien. Legolas, who's grown up with stories of ages past, fiery creatures made to destroy elves. These things killed the greatest elves of the first age. Things of nightmares. Legolas who knows something is wrong, can feel the darkness take hold of his fëa and the thing from his nightmares, the horror stories is right there. And he's an elf, away from familiar grounds and starlight and there is a Balrog. He's and elf and thats a balrog.

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