Late night thought but I think the thing that really ties it together for me on transandrophobia/anti transmasculinity stuff is how quickly people will turn on a transfem if they side with transmascs. Like I’ve seen people in real time try to find any way to take a transfems ‘status’ as transfem away when they say they agree with us, saying that they’re not “transfem enough”, accusing them of secretly being transmasc, trying to find any past take that would invalidate them, or just flat out say they’re lying about being transfem. Like these people immediately fall back on transmisogyny if a transfem sides with us, despite accusing us of being the transmisogynistic ones, which kinda comes back to my assumption that these people just want to silence any trans people that don’t agree with them
Mfs will be like “Omg I hate radfems and terfs! They’re awful! Radfeminsim and Terf ideology is bad!!!” And then turn around and be like “All men are evil and bad and all women are pure and good! But it’s okay this time because I’m including trans people!!!!”
“Just another man making it about himself.” - someone on *MY*post that *I* made *SPECIFICALLY* about transphobia to trans men
Mfs will be like “We need to listen to and uplift trans voices!” and then when a trans man is in front of them trying to tell them something they plug their ears and go “Lalalalalala I can’t hear you!!!”
Screenshots from a video by "imogen" on tiktok. The original video, which is still up if you want to view, was a response video to "date a trans man" as "being a trans man doesn't automatically mean a good experience or good person", which is of course a reasonable take. People are people. She explains that the trans man she dated had a "friend she was told not to worry about, until that friend commit suicide", and that was the bad experience.
Captions of the comments viewed in screenshots: "Heavy on the trans men are men [crying emoji]" "Trans men will do you wrong if not worse" "This is all too real many trans men/masc are super shitty and misogynistic" "The difference is they'll turn around and weaponize their "lack of power" lmao" "Trans men without mood stabilizers should be illegal" "my ex broke it off after feeling poly envy from their partner and gave me chlamydia... so yeah. trans men are men" "They will play with you the exact same way as cis men do LMFAO" "Trans inclusive misandry [liked by creator]" "I bet they [cat emoji] smell insane" "Trans men pls go on mood stabilizers once ur on T [crying emojis]" "Jesus... we really are the worst just across the board [crying emoji]" "As a woman, men are some of the biggest threats to me. You being trans does not exclude you from that fact" "ive heard some t4t HORROR stories and its always the dude fetishizing or cheating on the girl" "Every trans men I dated are either evil asf or lazy idiots" "No because why are half of them just annoying and why are half of them incels" "Trans men treat and talk about trans/cis women way worse especially within their "private" community spaces. let's address that before throwing yet another trans woman under the bus!" "literally why im just transmasc, i could not be a man [100 percent emoji] its also such a man thing to do to be like "not all" so.. i guess theyre doing it right?" "Its like trans men really are the men of the trans community [laughing emoji]" "Do you even see trans men as men? trans men are men, and its ALL men. Choose the bear because men are less predictable." "misandrist isn't a thing. it's ALL men, cis and trans"
The first half of these comments were under the original video, the second half are from the creator replying to a comment that states "wow ur so right bestie lets open up a space to make disgusting comments towards fellow trans people. real queen behavior"
In the reply video, the creator states that "men are terrible, trans or not" and that most of her followers are just trans women sharing their experiences. She ends it with "welcome to manhood. you are now part of the more problematic gender. you're never going to stop hearing 'men suck' 'i hate men'. But if i did hurt your feelings, I would like to formally issue an apology to" and she lists a few "stereotypical" trans man names.
Tell me I'm not crazy. please.
Like 90% of these comment are just riddled with repackaged misogyny. Transandrophobic women have massive amounts of internalized misogyny that they just project onto trans men and transmascs because projecting your internalized misogyny onto cis women strips away your girls girl title and projecting it onto trans women will get you labeled a terf. So instead your project it onto trans men and transmascs.
the multiple comments about mood stabilizers are really getting me…not just because of the blatant misogyny but also because the idea that trans men on t need to be on some sort of psych meds was something my former psychiatrist tried to actually enforce when i told her i was going to be starting t. i was in the process of getting off of an ssri at the time that was hurting me more than it helped, and she tried to make me stay on it and even go back to my original dose because she was convinced i wouldn’t be able to handle being on t without it. the only reason she let up was that i told her i would stop taking it regardless of if she helped me manage the process or not. all things considered, i got off easy because the possibility of forcing those meds on me was only ever talked about and not actually attempted.
like, these aren’t just ideas held by people who like complaining about men on tiktok. these are ideas held by professionals with power over trans men who can and will use that power to limit our bodily autonomy and control as much of our lives as they possibly can. perpetuating them is part of a long history of outcasting and disempowering oppressed people by marking them as ‘crazy’ and in need of psychiatric intervention.
but yeah, it’s a great idea to reinvent the concept of hysteria! it’s not like that’s ever been used as a tool of medical oppression, right? definitely just a funny thing to make jokes about at the expense of a marginalized group…
All of this is awful in itself, that’s self explanatory, but are we not gonna talk about “until that friend commits suicide” HUH??? Like yeah, if someone’s friend fucking dies, especially if it’s suicide, OF COURSE you’re not the center of attention. OF COURSE that has a big impact on your partner. This person clearly has some mental issues and doesn’t like not being the center of attention, and is also clearly looking for any excuse to pin that on other people and talk shit about them. Hope their ex is doing much fucking better than however they were doing with this person bc they’re clearly very toxic.