Apparently, by coincidence, my last post was about death spoilers and so is this one (indirectly). This is about one of my favorite urban fantasy series by Seanan McGuire, while the other was an epic NA romantasy type book, I guess. Death of core characters is overall more expected in epic fantasy as a genre, and would probably be weird without it, in retrospect. Like, you could probably argue character death itself is partly what *makes* a story epic, though romantic protagonists are exempt. At least in romantic fantasy/romantasy books.
Seanan McGuire doesn't write romantic urban fantasy... her urban fantasy just has a significant amount of romance. I dunno if this makes a difference. It seems she didn't really get blowback, but at the same time... Sarah J Maas does this sort of thing as a matter of course (get rid of romantic pairings, sometimes through death) and this *is* romantasy, so why not Seanan McGuire?
I dunno why, but it's really surprised me. To be clear, I've avoided reading this book because I read reviews referencing character death. But even without reading it, I know it's almost certainly a good book with no gratuitous death. Wanting a romantic protagonist to be safe is a bit of a juvenile trope that dismisses the potential of this genre, in a way, especially if it becomes necessary. At the same time, she gave this couple a happy ending, of a sort. I don't know how to feel. I mean, they weren't retired and were in fact at war, so 'happy ending' is questionable, but... it was one.
I'm also fully aware that if literally no one of the main cast dies in a war, and they're a normal human, you essentially have some sort of weird joke and not a war. And yet, I say this while being used to the main cast in fact surviving wars, at least in books written with romance by women. If I had to guess, most male writers who include romance subplots kill characters freely.
I dunno if I'm 'sad'; I've never cried over character death in my life. I think part of me feels I wasted my time with this couple. Or questions if I wasted my time. I've never read the prequel to Throne of Glass by Sarah J Maas mostly because I feel the man dying makes it sort of a waste for me. I mean technically I know it's a ridiculous attitude, but here we are. I'm pain-avoidant even if I doubt I'd cry or be super depressed, though I'd probably dwell if I really had no warning. I'm dwelling anyway. I do appreciate that a death like this gives a story real stakes. I think Seanan has killed off a lot of this family in the past, though generally this is only once they've procreated. That should've been a clue, though.
Anyway, the fact is that even if the stakes have gone up, my avoidant personality means my chances of reading have gone down.
Spoiler unalert
I'm not really a fan of spoilers, and tend to avoid them if I care about the book before reading... but sometimes I wish for spoilers *after* I start reading. I just get stressed (ala the last post, on the subject of stressful storylines) and kinda wish there was a summary of the scary bits so I could go 'prepared'. That is, rather than alert (or, well, alerted), I would be... unalert. Note, just knowing Bad Thing Happens doesn't help me at all for this reason. The last time this happened, I spent the last book and a half *constantly* waiting for the character to die, adding a lot of extra stress.
I'm actually not talking about character death at all, and I think that's an example of something I'd like better being surprised by if I cared (most of the time I don't, since I so rarely care about side characters). It takes a lot of volumes for me to care about a side character. Basically, if they're killed in the first book, it's not a 'tragedy' IMO, haha. Even with the one I was paranoid about, it was okay when it happened. I actually just hated the waiting, which is what I'd like to avoid. But no one generally posts spoilers in the form of a bulletin list scene format and *only* for the stressful denoument. Er... right?
Anyway, I just want to avoid waiting for something to go badly wrong. This is funny because with the kind of stories I like, I generally only go for books where I *know* the main characters will be fine and the quest will be successful. This much, you *can* get from general reviews. I don't even *touch* other kinds of stories. And still... I don't like that very specific scene tension without which an adventure story would presumably be considered boring. Even so! Even so... I hate that tension even as I suppose I'm addicted to it. I don't even finish boring books, after all.
It's kind of funny because I often end up skimming ahead and then going back, even though this feels stupid and kills flow. I constantly promise myself I'll stop this awful habit of skimming ahead when I get too tense (I mean, I don't do it *on purpose*). And ironically, I haven't done it with this story, possibly because the POV keeps changing, so there's not enough of a singular flow to go back and forth in. Though I haven't done it as much for this series in general, because ironically I just have a lot of faith in the characters to just overcome at every point. When a character is super-competent enough (like with superheroes, for ex), the main thing that can go wrong is *other people* will get hurt. In general, side characters don't bother me, though. In this case, the type of threat is different in this installment, plus there's new POV characters, so I'm just... uncomfortable. Ugh. This is an example of what happens if I really do stop skimming ahead, and apparently the answer is that I'm still not happy, haha.
I know I’ve talked about this before, but I’m really sick of seeing writers who should know better say things like, “Tragedy is more compelling than stories where characters have a nice day and nothing bad happens!” without understanding why.
Tragedy is an effective story element when it’s a deviation from the norm. A character’s peaceful existence is disrupted by a catastrophic event that throws everything into chaos. The character now has to either develop so they can cope with the new status quo, or find a way to put things back the way they were. There’s a good story in that.
But when a character’s life is an unrelenting cavalcade of misery, another heaping dose of shit isn’t all that interesting. At that point, a compelling deviation from the norm would be said character having a nice day where nothing bad happens. And modern fiction is chock-full of misery porn, so by this logic, it’s no wonder the coffee shop AU is such a popular fanfiction trope.
Derek Hale getting a dog and putting his life back together is way more interesting than Derek Hale’s life getting worse for the 26th consecutive episode. Creators like to hold up “everything is fine and nobody dies” as a sign that fanfic is bland and badly written, but if anything, it’s an indicator that mainstream fiction is bland and badly written.
But when a character’s life is an unrelenting cavalcade of misery, another heaping dose of shit isn’t all that interesting
Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy (tvtropes link) is a thing a lot of writers don’t really seem to understand. There comes a point where you just can’t bring yourself to care anymore.
why i stopped watching game of thrones: that shit is boring
This is why I never read anything tagged Nothing is Beautiful and Everything Hurts on AO3.
Also why I don’t bother buying new installments of The Dresden Files, or A Song of Ice and Fire. The same reason why, besides illogical and badly-researched worldbuilding, the Hunger Games series lost me early on, no matter how much I wanted to like it.
Grimdark isn’t “cool”, it’s boring as fuck and comes off as the author having just one monkey-shit shade of beige on their palette to paint with.
Also one of the reasons why Sherlock S4 lost me. Misery porn isn’t my thing.
It’s also why I gravitated toward Check Please. You CAN have stories where couples are happy together AND have angsty situations AND have things turn out alright. It’s not lazy storytelling.
Also why I write the shit I write. I like a little angst here and there, but I don’t read or write fic where the ending isn’t at the very least hopeful, if not straight up happy ever after.
Somebody needs to sit allllll the writers for Supernatural down for a little chat about this. Because after twelve freaking seasons, having a couple episodes a season where good things happen to Team Free Will without ~*~Cosmic Repercussions~*~ would actually be an excellent change of pace. (Also, I would like to point out that we have never seen how either Winchester would actually navigate a real long-term romantic relationship given their strange and awful lives, and suggest that this just might be a completely untapped source of plot and characterization. Yes, it would require them being happy occasionally, which I’m pretty sure is why the writers refuse. I’m not even pushing Destiel necessarily, I’ll gladly take Sam/Eileen here.)
I actually reblogged this before to say these were great points but I liked/was okay with a lot of these examples personally, but now I feel like I've changed as a reader a bit. I'm a lot more tired of relentless stress type narratives. Even though, I mean, I still read a lot of adventure thrillers and so there's a lot of stress... but my point is that I trusted (and still need to trust) the series that I like, and that's what makes a difference to me.
I trusted GRRM (within his own standards and with his own favorites-- ie, I trusted he'd never kill Arya or Tyrion) and I was interested in the story rather than the characters' happiness. I mean, well, ASOIaF is about dragons and dynastic war, so. With more character-driven, narrowly focused adventure stories (like the Dresden Files or BBC Sherlock), it's a different question. It's whether I trust the writer(s) to make it work out in the end. This depends on two things: my rapport or understanding of the writing and my personal feel for the balance in the story.
I don't think the Dresden Files (or BBC Sherlock) are grimdark, per se, even in the latest installments, which are the darkest. With The Dresden Files, it's definitely gotten dark enough that my trust has taken a big hit (just like with BBC Sherlock). It's now a question of whether the critiques above were simply seeing the stories more clearly than I was. It's certainly looking like it.
The problem is really that the last book(s) in The Dresden Files have been entirely about a big war in Chicago. There's no way to write a war book gently, with breaks for relaxation rather than boredom and anxiety, so I don't know if *balance* is the problem there. In earlier books, with lower stakes, it hasn't really been so much of an issue. I just feel Jim Butcher went too far for *me*, killed a main character that *I* felt was going too far. But I dunno if it's genuinely bad writing. I do feel that the tragedy wasn't necessary, and I've written about my loss of trust recently in regards to fridging. The issue about the balance of darkness is probably part of it.
In general, I've definitely found myself becoming overwhelmed by too much relentless stress in books.
'Women are the Weaker Sex... in Sex' trope
This may be an old complaint in slash fandom, although it's actually been so long since those days, I don't remember the 'issues of the day', so to speak. Anyway, so I'm reading 'A Winter of Ice and Iron' by Rachel Neumeier. It's a great fantasy and m/f romance (unconventionally so) and I love the in-depth characterizations-- it's all good. It's just that it has a slash trope I find Problematic, although I must admit with some chagrin that I'm fine with it in m/m romance. Perhaps it's just so common I have become resigned?
Basically, the male main character is said to generally prefer men because they are... sturdier and he doesn't have to be so careful. He can let go, he can be rough with other men. It's funny, because the thing about Neumeier is that she generally eschews tropes and cliches, and this is definitely a cliche, at least in slash.
Y'all…I'm having a very disturbing realization dawn upon me. I don't really have a way of articulating this clearly yet, but I wanted to bring it up in case other people know about it:
I'm noticing that many people (namely white Americans) seem to act as branded-versions of themselves rather than who they genuinely are. Specifically, what I'm beginning to understand how insanely pernicious it is. I knew it existed because I grew up in it, but didn't realize how uncanny it actually looks when you watch it happen, nor what the implications are that we do this instead of connecting with each other as people.
It seems like any descriptor under the sun can become a brand, so long as it's understood that way more than it's understood as just a descriptor. "Man" is a brand. "Punk" is a brand. "Conservative" is a brand. "Left" is a brand. "Queer" is a brand. "Protestant" is a brand. "Catholic" is a brand. "Anticapitalist" is a brand. "Young professional" is a brand. "Good" is a brand. Words like "BIPOC" are also interpreted within a brand context.
I'm not sure if this is something that has always been there, but I only just noticed? Or if it's on the rise with commercialization? A bit of both? Something else?
What makes a descriptor or identity a brand rather than a not-brand?
At the risk of oversimplification: The difference is whether you’re describing it as a circumstance, or prescribing it to yourself as a theme to follow.
Take “man” for example. Used as a descriptor, “man” is simply a gender. But in American society, “man” has ideological connotations: Real men are provisioners. Real men are soldiers. Real men don’t cry. Real men drive huge pickup trucks. Etc. This is no longer describing a gender (what someone is), but rather a type of personality (who someone is). It is no longer a description, but a brand.
Another example: “Queer” as a descriptor means “not straight or cis in some way.” (At least, this was what it meant when I learned it.) However, it also has its own branding. Queer people are gender nonconforming. Queer people are polyamorous. Queer people are actively involved in the queer community. Queer people in heteronormative-looking relationships aren’t actually queer, etc. Again, there’s ideological connotations to “Queer” that go beyond its use as a mere description.
I should clarify that by “brand” I’m not just referring to “a public-facing theme for consumer consumption,” but also a concept similar to that of an animal brand, in that a brand is a mark that indicates the herd someone belongs to. You almost have to curate a brand to display in order to be eligible for human connection, which is all kinds of fucked up.
What happens to those who don’t conform to the branding people expect? I’ll tell you what happens: People get angry.
Boys get chastised for liking pink. Stealthy queer folks have their queerness questioned. If a wheelchair-user stands up to grab something, people accuse them of lying or not being disabled enough. Women are dismissed as “unladylike” if their behavior doesn’t match the branding of “woman.”
What this creates is a situation where people aren’t actually interacting with who the other person is, but with the branding they seem to have, and likewise a situation where people don’t know how to connect with others on the basis of their genuine and emergent character…nor do they know how to demonstrate it without leaning into stereotypes as a vector.
I've noticed this online, where it makes sense to a degree... I mean, to a person interacting with strangers or projecting identity at least in part to strangers. I dunno, but I think the commercialization of the internet has created a dynamic where there's the world of DMs and the world of TikTok/YT branding and content, and these are very different. The issue is that the media and younger people's understanding of reality is influenced more by this commercial filter than by the personal filter in some of ways. Weird.
Anyway, while I see this in the media landscape and how things get represented in the Discourse, I've always assumed the Discourse is bullshit. I think it's 'cause I'm older than 'the youth' (who weren't here when it started) but still significantly younger than the Boomers, who often seem to be losing their minds to fear and reactionism. Though older folks fretting about 'kids today' and 'society nowadays' is as old as dirt. Anyway, it seems like many people even 10 years my junior seem to believe the Discourse is real, and even the Conservatives (as you say) are playing the same game but on the opposite side. Of course, 'real' is always negotiable in society. We made these things, they are now real.
I also think (assume) that people with three braincells to rub together don't actually believe this unless they've been radicalized. Overall... I think most people are too busy and self-centered to be overly radicalized, though it doesn't take a lot of people to create a big problem. But anyway, this can still move the Overton Window and create a chilling effect on the stuff people are willing to say online or in public, 'cause people don't like being bullied/doxxed/etc. And there's the fear that simply being thoughtful and nuanced in the wrong way may include wrongthink about something others we value... value.
I assume this will sort itself out in a few decades, as this sort of thing is probably part of the growing pains of the social Internet. Probably what we understand as the Internet will not be... this way, as in, probably social media will curdle and die, more or less, as we know it. It will take awhile to get back to 'normal', and I'd also be interested if 'actual' VR would create a new hellscape or if we would have learned some way to deal with this sort of thing better by then. Probably a little of both.
I should add, a lot of this is just normal behavior for teenagers. I used to be really into labels, and calling myself things. I mean, it's not like those labels are now false, or I'm not that thing anymore. I guess I now don't think it matters that much (but not like it ever did). My attitude is probably because I'm really asocial and not part of any ingroup (or outgroup... or just group) in any real way, so of course group stuff ceased mattering to me. It's hard to disregard it if you still want to achieve X social acceptance goal, presumably. Anyway, ultimately, part of the issue is that teenagers create the Discourse online, and then it filters down to the activists, the influencers, the media, and finally the antis, who disseminate it for clicks.
The Women in Refrigerators
I've been reading a fantasy that's not a romance by an author I didn't know for decades (for whom I make exceptions), and it's the Tuyo series I recently talked about considering. I was thinking further about books I used to read before my romance fixation began, many more of which had been written by male authors, and the issues that led me-- again and again-- to quit those books in disgust. These are books I really enjoyed-- I considered them well-written, fun, engaging. I'm still a fan of Jim Butcher and Robert Jackson Bennett and haven't written them off entirely in my mind. I plan to come back to them, but. But. The trust has been broken, with these and other male fantasy and sci-fi authors, more than once. More than twice. Many times.
Thinking about how they broke my trust-- Bennett and Butcher specifically, but also others-- I realize what they have in common is the use of fridging, or the Women in Refrigerators trope.
If you read the book(s) in question, it's not like it stands out so horribly-- I mean, there's a plot reason for what happens to kill the female love interest. (Though in one egregious case I remember, the female main character dies after she actually has a baby, with the man who becomes the male main character after her death). It's not like I can't see why the woman 'has to die'. And yet-- mysteriously-- the male best friend almost never dies. The male love interest almost never dies in a non-romantic fantasy/sci-fi that nevertheless has a love interest, written by a female author. It's always that the men feel the need to do this. It just never clarified itself to me that this is what led me to quit reading and retreat to fanfic and/or romance, again and again.
I think I view romance as a sort of crutch, perhaps, in terms of things I'd like to read. I really like the *idea* of friendship-based stories rather than romantic narratives, and yet I have some weird PTSD-like avoidance of them. This probably is a product of my over-familiarity with fandom and particularly the frustration of the source material. I'm afraid that somehow friendship wouldn't be enough, even though this is unlikely for me. Half the time I actually find the stupider/more immature parts of romance (jealousy, misunderstandings, love triangles, imbalance with the physical attraction, etc) more frustrating than friendship by far. I mean, one main reason I stick to genre romance is that there's little time to spend on those plot lines. I actually prefer extraneous sex scenes to extra scenes about romantic anxiety and misunderstandings. Not to say I don't like well done romantic tension, 'cause I do.
Mostly thinking of this as I found a new sci fi/fantasy author, Rachel Neumeier, and I'm thinking about reading the series starting with Tuyo. It's one of those super-close male friendship fantasy epics that I both adore and avoid like it's kryptonite. It also gets old *always* seeing men and women interact romantically. I actually try to avoid this even in romances-- I like where the female main character is only secondarily 'a woman', as opposed to whatever else she does or wants to do.
I have a lot of the personality preferences of the readers who *never* read romance, except that I constantly do. One of the things I look for that resolves this sort of dynamic is that in a genre/romance *series*, by book 2-3, the couple is usually already together and the focus is on their partnership and meeting new obstacles and their friends and family. Ilona Andrews, Patricia Briggs-- urban fantasy books in general-- are well established in doing this.
So I've read pure urban fantasy as well as genre romance-adventures but I've been avoiding pure science fiction. In part because it's more often written by male writers who focus on plot to the exclusion of characterization. On top of that, I like a certain kind of character/culture centric story, even if it's focused primarily on plot. Women tend to write that kind of story even with science fiction (eg, some old Ursula K LeGuin or Lois Bujold and Sharon Lee/Miller or Catherine Asaro, and recently I've found Rachel Neumeier and Dorothy Grant).
Anyway, so while I dip my toe periodically in non-romantic fantasy and particularly sci fi by women, I've still been avoiding genre stories (by women) that are about male friendship. There's no good reason for this, rationally, particularly when I only like family stories when they're in the background of an individual's life (though I love that background, and I love Ilona Andrews, Seanan McGuire and Nalini Singh partly for that reason). Without a focus on primarily family dynamics, without friendship what else is there? And this is how I get to settling on romance. I just like books about 1-2 people *primarily*. Even 3 protagonists is really pushing it if they're dominant.
So I'm wondering if I did read Tuyo, would it be a beginning of something? Or would I never get over my fandom trauma. That would be sad.
I know a little something something about how information works online and in a fandom environment specifically. I remember falling into the rabbit holes and (eventually) emerging to discover a sort of post-apocalyptic landscape, every time. Everything gets consumed by The Discourse, everyone ends up trapped in their own version of a bad faith argument, and we all get marauded and pillaged by trolls who just want to see the world burn. What I never fully expected was how we (in Livejournal, on Tumblr and then Instagram and Twitter) were the canaries in the coalmine of culture. Now it's not about fandom discourse but the behavior of both mainstream media and 'normal' individuals online. It's all drowned in the equivalent of high school drama and hallway gossip, except with lives at stake.
At least in fandom, you could argue there was no 'truth', because after all it was all about fiction. Of course, canon existed, but the nature of storytelling is such that we could all have a point. Not agree that we all had a point, but we could all have it without appearing to be literally insane.
I know that the people who believe conspiracies and spout garbage online based on next to no evidence (and then cling to it) are technically no less sane and ordinary than the equivalent types in fandom. This is 'just' human nature. We 'just' cannot bear to open our minds about things we feel to be true or have already staked some ego or social status on defending. And yet. It's just so ugly. We're just so UGLY. I roll my eyes, but I also want to scream sometimes, just like that comic above.
The same behavior that's kind of cute in children is just frankly terrifying and disgusting in adults. All I can think of, honestly, is that access to the internet-- or even the news!-- for the average person was simply a mistake. 'Sit down and shut up' is at the tip of my tongue, as far as your average internet poster yelling about this or that is concerned. At the same time (and even worse), all existing examples of top-down controlling the information environment have been dystopian tyranny. There's no controlling people without oppressing them. So here we may have a chaotic din, but the alternative is... well, worse.
I was just thinking recently about how I needed/wanted to reaffirm my personal commitment to the freedoms I believe in, in the face of all the speech by people I strongly believe are harming their republic and the quality of our discourse just by speaking publicly. There is such a thing as harmful speech, and I won't shy away from that. The freedoms of speech and assembly I think are vital may nevertheless do real damage to vulnerable people and to their causes. I won't shy away from acknowledging that. And I won't-- and can't-- simply say it'll all balance out in the 'marketplace of ideas'. In the long view, maybe. But for now, the most toxic, the loudest, the one with the most clicks and views-- that one wins.
And so it's more important than ever to reaffirm one's commitment to democratic speech and free assembly. Now, when it's actively painful sometimes, and my own personal freedoms are under threat and my own personal feelings are often hurt, to some degree.
Their speech may harm the republic, but the suppression of it would harm it more deeply, more irrevocably. This sort of painful chaos is the work of us. The balancing act of moderation is a work in progress, always a compromise, always a quest for ultimately piecemeal and inadequate solutions. They may be stupid and some may indeed be so brainwashed as to be crazy, and yet it matters little. I must allow them freedom just enough that they cannot take away mine.
I always thought of myself as someone who's a big fan of 'unlikeable' or difficult characters in fiction, from the most psychologically complex to your basic 'bad boy' types (if written well enough). So it's difficult for me to reconcile this with the fact that I gave up on Mira Honfleur's Blade and Rose series at least partly because of the 'bad boy' problem. It seems I make an exception for... entitled internet asshole types, I guess?
If you've read the book(s) more than a quarter of the way, feel free to enlighten me or let me know it improves. At this point, it seems like my issue is that a) there's a love triangle (which I default to hating in any romance where it's a source of drama) and b) the 'bad boy' is just really entitled and... weak because he's insecure, I guess? Like the sort of guy that blames the woman for his own insecurity, while being responsible for meeting his needs and solving his issues.
I mean, insecurity can be sympathetic, but when a person blames someone else for not solving their problems.... You can argue it's realistic, but I think it's *too* realistic. Or rather, it's so frustrating and annoying that it starts to make me annoyed not at the guy, but at the supposedly 'strong' female character who would tolerate this bullshit, even if it's in the past by the time the couple's temporary reconciliation eventually occurs (according to spoilers).
I think I'm used to 'bad boys' just being extra ruthless, possibly violent, empathically challenged, overly ambitious but not... personally odious, I guess? Like in a gross way. Like... a loser way. Not being a sad loser is kind of a prerequisite to being a 'bad boy' love interest and not... a YA villain, basically.
I find myself making comparisons to incels and like, Tate fanboys, though this is just vibes mainly. Basically, this guy wants the main character to shut up and marry him because he needs his curse lifted ASAP, and it's inconvenient and embarrassing for him to have to wait while she gets the magical education she needs to be safe. Therefore he's going to seduce and scheme, and if that fails, try to ruin her life. That's not really the sort of thing I can find cute or forgivable on any level. Perhaps that's unsurprising after all.
Words for Skin Tone | How to Describe Skin Color
We discussed the issues describing People of Color by means of food in Part I of this guide, which brought rise to even more questions, mostly along the lines of “So, if food’s not an option, what can I use?” Well, I was just getting to that!
This final portion focuses on describing skin tone, with photo and passage examples provided throughout. I hope to cover everything from the use of straight-forward description to the more creatively-inclined, keeping in mind the questions we’ve received on this topic.
Standard Description
Basic Colors
Pictured above: Black, Brown, Beige, White, Pink.
“She had brown skin.”
- This is a perfectly fine description that, while not providing the most detail, works well and will never become cliché.
- Describing characters’ skin as simply brown or beige works on its own, though it’s not particularly telling just from the range in brown alone.
Complex Colors
These are more rarely used words that actually “mean” their color. Some of these have multiple meanings, so you’ll want to look into those to determine what other associations a word might have.
Pictured above: Umber, Sepia, Ochre, Russet, Terra-cotta, Gold, Tawny, Taupe, Khaki, Fawn.
- Complex colors work well alone, though often pair well with a basic color in regards to narrowing down shade/tone.
For example: Golden brown, russet brown, tawny beige…
- As some of these are on the “rare” side, sliding in a definition of the word within the sentence itself may help readers who are unfamiliar with the term visualize the color without seeking a dictionary.
“He was tall and slim, his skin a russet, reddish-brown.”
- Comparisons to familiar colors or visuals are also helpful:
“His skin was an ochre color, much like the mellow-brown light that bathed the forest.”
Modifiers
Modifiers, often adjectives, make partial changes to a word.The following words are descriptors in reference to skin tone.
Dark - Deep - Rich - Cool
Warm - Medium - Tan
Fair - Light - Pale
Rich Black, Dark brown, Warm beige, Pale pink…
If you’re looking to get more specific than “brown,” modifiers narrow down shade further.
- Keep in mind that these modifiers are not exactly colors.
- As an already brown-skinned person, I get tan from a lot of sun and resultingly become a darker, deeper brown. I turn a pale, more yellow-brown in the winter.
- While best used in combination with a color, I suppose words like “tan” “fair” and “light” do work alone; just note that tan is less likely to be taken for “naturally tan” and much more likely a tanned White person.
- Calling someone “dark” as description on its own is offensive to some and also ambiguous. (See: Describing Skin as Dark)
Undertones
Undertones are the colors beneath the skin, seeing as skin isn’t just one even color but has more subdued tones within the dominating palette.
pictured above: warm / earth undertones: yellow, golden, copper, olive, bronze, orange, orange-red, coral | cool / jewel undertones: pink, red, blue, blue-red, rose, magenta, sapphire, silver.
- Mentioning the undertones within a character’s skin is an even more precise way to denote skin tone.
- As shown, there’s a difference between say, brown skin with warm orange-red undertones (Kelly Rowland) and brown skin with cool, jewel undertones (Rutina Wesley).
“A dazzling smile revealed the bronze glow at her cheeks.”
“He always looked as if he’d ran a mile, a constant tinge of pink under his tawny skin.”
Standard Description Passage
“Farah’s skin, always fawn, had burned and freckled under the summer’s sun. Even at the cusp of autumn, an uneven tan clung to her skin like burrs. So unlike the smooth, red-brown ochre of her mother, which the sun had richened to a blessing.”
-From my story “Where Summer Ends” featured in Strange Little Girls
- Here the state of skin also gives insight on character.
- Note my use of “fawn” in regards to multiple meaning and association. While fawn is a color, it’s also a small, timid deer, which describes this very traumatized character of mine perfectly.
Though I use standard descriptions of skin tone more in my writing, at the same time I’m no stranger to creative descriptions, and do enjoy the occasional artsy detail of a character.
Creative Description
Whether compared to night-cast rivers or day’s first light…I actually enjoy seeing Characters of Colors dressed in artful detail.
I’ve read loads of descriptions in my day of white characters and their “smooth rose-tinged ivory skin”, while the PoC, if there, are reduced to something from a candy bowl or a Starbucks drink, so to actually read of PoC described in lavish detail can be somewhat of a treat.
Still, be mindful when you get creative with your character descriptions. Too many frills can become purple-prose-like, so do what feels right for your writing when and where. Not every character or scene warrants a creative description, either. Especially if they’re not even a secondary character.
Using a combination of color descriptions from standard to creative is probably a better method than straight creative. But again, do what’s good for your tale.
Natural Settings - Sky
Pictured above: Harvest Moon -Twilight, Fall/Autumn Leaves, Clay, Desert/Sahara, Sunlight - Sunrise - Sunset - Afterglow - Dawn- Day- Daybreak, Field - Prairie - Wheat, Mountain/Cliff, Beach/Sand/Straw/Hay.
- Now before you run off to compare your heroine’s skin to the harvest moon or a cliff side, think about the associations to your words.
- When I think cliff, I think of jagged, perilous, rough. I hear sand and picture grainy, yet smooth. Calm. mellow.
- So consider your character and what you see fit to compare them to.
- Also consider whose perspective you’re describing them from. Someone describing a person they revere or admire may have a more pleasant, loftier description than someone who can’t stand the person.
“Her face was like the fire-gold glow of dawn, lifting my gaze, drawing me in.”
“She had a sandy complexion, smooth and tawny.”
- Even creative descriptions tend to draw help from your standard words.
Flowers
Pictured above: Calla lilies, Western Coneflower, Hazel Fay, Hibiscus, Freesia, Rose
- It was a bit difficult to find flowers to my liking that didn’t have a 20 character name or wasn’t called something like “chocolate silk” so these are the finalists.
- You’ll definitely want to avoid purple-prose here.
- Also be aware of flowers that most might’ve never heard of. Roses are easy, as most know the look and coloring(s) of this plant. But Western coneflowers? Calla lilies? Maybe not so much.
“He entered the cottage in a huff, cheeks a blushing brown like the flowers Nana planted right under my window. Hazel Fay she called them, was it?”
Assorted Plants & Nature
Pictured above: Cattails, Seashell, Driftwood, Pinecone, Acorn, Amber
- These ones are kinda odd. Perhaps because I’ve never seen these in comparison to skin tone, With the exception of amber.
- At least they’re common enough that most may have an idea what you’re talking about at the mention of “pinecone."
- I suggest reading out your sentences aloud to get a better feel of how it’ll sounds.
"Auburn hair swept past pointed ears, set around a face like an acorn both in shape and shade.”
- I pictured some tree-dwelling being or person from a fantasy world in this example, which makes the comparison more appropriate.
- I don’t suggest using a comparison just “cuz you can” but actually being thoughtful about what you’re comparing your character to and how it applies to your character and/or setting.
Wood
Pictured above: Mahogany, Walnut, Chestnut, Golden Oak, Ash
- Wood can be an iffy description for skin tone. Not only due to several of them having “foody” terminology within their names, but again, associations.
- Some people would prefer not to compare/be compared to wood at all, so get opinions, try it aloud, and make sure it’s appropriate to the character if you do use it.
“The old warlock’s skin was a deep shade of mahogany, his stare serious and firm as it held mine.”
Metals
Pictured above: Platinum, Copper, Brass, Gold, Bronze
- Copper skin, brass-colored skin, golden skin…
- I’ve even heard variations of these used before by comparison to an object of the same properties/coloring, such as penny for copper.
- These also work well with modifiers.
“The dress of fine white silks popped against the deep bronze of her skin.”
Gemstones - Minerals
Pictured above: Onyx, Obsidian, Sard, Topaz, Carnelian, Smoky Quartz, Rutile, Pyrite, Citrine, Gypsum
- These are trickier to use. As with some complex colors, the writer will have to get us to understand what most of these look like.
- If you use these, or any more rare description, consider if it actually “fits” the book or scene.
- Even if you’re able to get us to picture what “rutile” looks like, why are you using this description as opposed to something else? Have that answer for yourself.
“His skin reminded her of the topaz ring her father wore at his finger, a gleaming stone of brown, mellow facades.”
Physical Description
- Physical character description can be more than skin tone.
- Show us hair, eyes, noses, mouth, hands…body posture, body shape, skin texture… though not necessarily all of those nor at once.
- Describing features also helps indicate race, especially if your character has some traits common within the race they are, such as afro hair to a Black character.
- How comprehensive you decide to get is up to you. I wouldn’t overdo it and get specific to every mole and birthmark. Noting defining characteristics is good, though, like slightly spaced front teeth, curls that stay flopping in their face, hands freckled with sunspots…
General Tips
- Indicate Race Early: I suggest indicators of race be made at the earliest convenience within the writing, with more hints threaded throughout here and there.
- Get Creative On Your Own: Obviously, I couldn’t cover every proper color or comparison in which has been “approved” to use for your characters’ skin color, so it’s up to you to use discretion when seeking other ways and shades to describe skin tone.
- Skin Color May Not Be Enough: Describing skin tone isn’t always enough to indicate someone’s ethnicity. As timeless cases with readers equating brown to “dark white” or something, more indicators of race may be needed.
- Describe White characters and PoC Alike: You should describe the race and/or skin tone of your white characters just as you do your Characters of Color. If you don’t, you risk implying that White is the default human being and PoC are the “Other”).
- PSA: Don’t use “Colored.” Based on some asks we’ve received using this word, I’d like to say that unless you or your character is a racist grandmama from the 1960s, do not call People of Color “colored” please.
- Not Sure Where to Start? You really can’t go wrong using basic colors for your skin descriptions. It’s actually what many people prefer and works best for most writing. Personally, I tend to describe my characters using a combo of basic colors + modifiers, with mentions of undertones at times. I do like to veer into more creative descriptions on occasion.
- Want some alternatives to “skin” or “skin color”? Try: Appearance, blend, blush, cast, coloring, complexion, flush, glow, hue, overtone, palette, pigmentation, rinse, shade, sheen, spectrum, tinge, tint, tone, undertone, value, wash.
Skin Tone Resources
- List of Color Names
- The Color Thesaurus
- Skin Undertone & Color Matching
- Tips and Words on Describing Skin
- Photos: Undertones Described (Modifiers included)
- Online Thesaurus (try colors, such as “red” & “brown”)
- Don’t Call me Pastries: Creative Skin Tones w/ pics I
Writing & Description Guides
- WWC Featured Description Posts
- WWC Guide: Words to Describe Hair
- Writing with Color: Description & Skin Color Tags
- 7 Offensive Mistakes Well-intentioned Writers Make
I tried to be as comprehensive as possible with this guide, but if you have a question regarding describing skin color that hasn’t been answered within part I or II of this guide, or have more questions after reading this post, feel free to ask!
~ Mod Colette
I finally had some time to draw again, so here is the Luidaeg to round out the Toby Daye kick I’ve been on lately. The series has so many amazing characters but I think she is my favourite!
which bits of men (specifically the ones who aren't, like, 95th percentile for beauty) are for ogling and such? you seem like a person who might know
oh man there are so many good things
(as always this is just the opinions of one admittedly pretty horny person)
- hair! I love long hair on men! I love curly hair! floofy hair! hair that is soft and nice to pet
- smiles. the thing where some guys smile and it just lights up their WHOLE FACE? it is so good.
- big noses!!!
- hands??? don’t you just love guys with big hands with a bit of fuzz on the back and calluses! or soft hands with long fingers! gosh!
- hipbones!! when they stick out and you want to lick them!
- when his belly is soft and just a LITTLE bit pudgy. that is VERY GOOD. so soft so nice to pet
- or ALTERNATIVELY when he is SKINNY and SMOL. oh no want to protect
- or when he is SO BIG that he could PICK YOU UP and CARRY YOU AROUND (I am p small lots of people can carry me around) and he is USUALLY SOFT but he has SECRET ARMS MUSCLES that show up for example when he’s fucking you in missionary position
- speaking of arms: arms. shoulders. gosh. it is a service to us all when men wear tank tops imo
- when guys have body hair and then you can put your cheek on it and rub it and it is SOFT and FUZZY
- some men move in a way that is SUPER GRACEFUL and then I cannot stop looking at them and it is PROBLEMATIC
- voices??? men who can sing are very good. guys with deep voices! guys with dom voices!
- jawlines! I have a Thing for jawlines
- dicks. I love all dicks. they are all great. like we talk about size but! what about the softness of the skin! what about the way the skin slides against the spongey bit when you give a blowjob! what about when a guy is just casually naked and he has a dick RIGHT THERE and it is v compact and neat-looking and also you want to put your mouth on it! what about when you are making out with someone and then you adjust a bit and then you can feel that he’s hard! dicks are an EXTREMELY GOOD BODY PART
nothing against this post in particular, but it reminds me that I find it amusing how ~boy positivity~ posts on tumblr always end up taking this cute, infantilizing tone that elides what is actually attractive about men
here are what I think are some ~cute boy things~
- controlling most major world governments
- being responsible for many important inventions and scientific discoveries
- spatial reasoning abilities
- low risk aversion
- sufficient strength to physically overpower you
if you are a boy who is driven to succeed at ambitious goals you are valid
if you are a boy who arrives at opinions through logical reasoning you are valid
if you are a boy with the confidence to advocate for unconventional ideas and take actions based on them you are valid
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Honestly I just thought this post was cute and on point, but then I realized that @worldoptimization was/is this crypto CEO who apparently scammed and/or defrauded a bunch of crypto investors and lived in the Bahamas in a poly fraud harem-house type arrangement....
Somehow that post doesn't seem so cute and funny anymore. A little too on point, really. More... uh... ominously villainesque than anything.
I mean, what even is 2022. On the other hand... speaking as someone who likes and even admires Slytherin sometimes, I dunno why I'm even surprised. This is just... on-brand. For Gryffindors too, tbh. Maybe I should stick to sexualizing Ravenclaws... I mean... the original post is kind of Hufflepuff in spirit, and while I do think it's a bit infantilizing to talk about boys the way they do on Tumblr, this sordid saga shows why Slytherin and even Gryffindor-type men have the reputation that they do. 😳
I think my principle of "whoever starts it should lose it" holds up pretty well for most real world examples:
- Iraq invades Kuwait, Iraq loses
- America invades Iraq, America loses
- Argentina invades Falklands, Argentina loses
- Russia/America invade Afghanistan, Russia/America lose
- France/America invade Vietnam, France/America lose
- North/South Korea invade each other, both lose
- Germany/Japan invade everyone, Germany/Japan lose
- Germany invades France, Germany loses (WWI)
- France invades Germany, France loses (Franco-Prussian War)
honestly when you start listing them all out, starting a war begins to seem like a pretty stupid idea!
This is such basic stuff that it’s really embarrassing to hear self-described “antiwar” types equating the attacker and defender. The best deterrent to war is for the people to start them to lose reliably! I don’t know that I’d say that this rule always holds, but it’s a pretty good rule, and the more antiwar one is in general the better it looks.
What’s fascinating is that, like, this is super old news. Much like empires no longer call themselves that and all the Departments of War have been renamed to Departments of Defense, one always manufactuers a pretext by which invasions don’t count as wars of aggression; with propaganda, it’s easy to manufacture provocations and construct arguments that a strike is truly preemptive. The interesting thing about the Russian war is that they didn’t even try to do that, which I think is part of the reason the response against it from Europe has been so intense -- it’s an unapologetic war of conquest, one without shame or discretion enough to pose as something else. It seems like a trivial distinction until you see it in practice, at which point it’s like no, that’s actually pretty concerning!
I don't know whether how much you or indeed I follow internal Russian propaganda is enough to actually discuss it, but I do think the internal narrative is that Russia's war is preemptive (and/or a defense of Ukraine's Russian-speaking population). I suppose it's just that it gets muddied by the fact that a) Russians in general are pro-empire, or pro-strength posturing; b) most reasonable people outside Russia just don't relate to how Russians view their situation, and so the explanations and/or propaganda doesn't work, basically. So it would ultimately be... weird if the Russians spoke in a way *we* understood as attempting to justify the war. But to Russians, saying 'NATO support of Ukraine means we're fighting NATO' is enough. Even 'Ukraine threatened to join NATO' is enough to make Russians sympathetic to the treatment of the war as 'defensive'.
Basically, it just doesn't work outside Russia, mostly because people (even people who're not pro-NATO) aren't actually... *afraid* of or threatened by NATO, in the Western world. No matter how crazy people think American politics and Americans in general are, people in the Western world and even in developing countries (outside China) aren't *paranoid* about US influence the same way Russia is. I mean average, reasonable people. And “average”, “reasonable” people (still remaining) in Russia think it's reasonable to think Ukrainians are literally Nazis and the US is as threatening (if not more threatening) than during the Cold War.
TL;DR: it's obviously unapologetic to everyone except Russia.
Basically, epistemically, Europe is in a different universe from Russia. You can only apply Russian epistemology and the Russian context to understand the issue. To be clear, not that understanding would actually help. There’s no bridging this gap. To the average European, Russians are functionally insane. I’m not even sure that’s wrong, tbh. Anyway, I agree that the difference between starting a war vs not is ‘obvious’ in this, our universe of meaning and historical fact. But the Russians (and their Western fans) are living somewhere else.
2014: geek culture needs to change to be more accessible to women. 2015: geek culture has changed, the last pockets of chauvinism are dying. 2016: geek culture is inherently alienating, it needs to be replaced by the blandest of the bland. Welp, that was useless.
I find that, as I spend more time as a Woman in Finance, I’m more instinctively sympathetic to “such-and-such culture is exclusionary of women and therefore bad” arguments.
I don’t really think my sympathy is justified, though.
Like, it is certainly true that the tech industry, or the finance industry, has aspects of its culture that are more suited on average to men than women, probably because it has many more men than women. And this does make women feel less welcome, so if you terminally value having more women in these fields then like yes, geek culture must be destroyed.
But there is an obvious cost to this, in that it makes the culture less enjoyable for everyone else, and the more male-dominated a field is the more true that will be.
Idk discourse around the culture of spaces is weird … to a first order my response is “safe spaces for everyone!” but I feel like that kind of ignores the ways in which culture gets formed within spaces. Part of me wants to say acquiescing to people who complain about aspects of culture is bad but maybe this is just how healthy cultures evolve over time?
As a woman who likes Star Trek and has no STEM affinity, I feel oppressed by this article.
I don’t really have any personal stakes in this so my opinion probably isn’t worth much, but…
I am someone who just inherently doesn’t “fit” any culture and probably don’t identify with any group. Most kinds of cultural references, whether geeky or mainstream, just go over my head, and I never feel I have much to talk about with most people because we just don’t like the same things.
I see this as my issue and my issue alone. People should not have to abandon what they like for the sake of including me.
So I feel it would be, and I don’t like using this word because it is really overused, sort of entitled to push for people to abandon harmless interests and cultural signifiers just because you want to join their field but have different interests from them.
You have a right to feel uncomfortable because of someone’s interests, but I don’t think other people should be required to drop what they enjoy to cater to you either.
It would be like if I wanted to go to a neurotypical party but demanded that there be no loud music, no alcohol, and nothing sexual whatsoever. I don’t think I’d have any right to demand these things and should probably either stay home or make my own party for people with needs like mine, not take someone else’s and change it.
I also don’t really like the generalization that women just essentially dislike geeky stuff. It comes off as gender essentialism, not to mention it contradicts all those other feminist posts about how women are actually a decent percentage of all geeks and have been shaping geek culture from the beginning.
So this is kind of a mess on every level.
I think this is kind of complicated.
For totally optional social events like parties, absolutely everyone should be able to throw whatever kind of party they want to and it would be silly for me to object to some aspect of a party that I didn’t like (with the exception of someone being nasty to others at the party, I think that should be generally disallowed in like, virtually all spaces).
But if a whole industry has a culture that is more welcoming to one gender than to another (even indirectly/statistically), I think that may be more worth addressing, especially when it’s an industry that’s both societally important and quite lucrative.
And in education, too! When you’re a student you can’t really go and have your own party. Nor do you necessarily want to, if you already have unpleasant associations with this field of study.
I do like cultural diversity and even though I’m not really a participant in tech nerd culture I do like it. So I certainly wouldn’t want to eradicate it or shame people for participating in it. But I am in favor of this line of research which looks for interventions to make places more welcoming to people from outside the culture.
I’m not sure I agree even if we’re talking about work or education, though. I feel like the same principle would apply even then.
Once again, there are no cultures I fit and don’t feel that I have, or should have, the authority to decide what culture any future school or workplace of mine (if any) should have, especially if it’s not actually directly hurting me or anything.
I feel that I’d only be entitled to either put up with it or find something else, and that’s fine because my preferences are not more important than other people’s and as long as they’re not hurting me or others in a more concrete way I’d rather respect their preferences rather than force mine on them.
As I said, if I can’t get into something because of an aversion to the culture there, that is entirely my issue, not theirs, and I don’t think it should be “addressed” even if I would benefit from getting into the thing. Other people having interests that I’d rather avoid is not a problem (at least, it’s not their problem).
I don’t think I’d even feel comfortable if people started minimizing their interests for the sake of not bothering me. I’d probably actually want to avoid any group that did that or else I’d feel responsible for worsening their lives.
This is some very thoughtful discussion, and I would just like to add that you can pry my Star Trek references from my cold dead female-software-engineer hands.
Yeah, I find this whole approach misguided, not to say a bit terrifying (as a female geek and STEM fan even if not STEM participant). If nothing else, why not encourage female geeks to work in tech rather than... random women who just... want a lucrative job or are working in HR, presumably?
On the other hand, as a Star Trek/sci-fi fan, ironically, I can't help but think the normalization of tech is basically inevitable. In the actual big-F Future, presuming civilization survives, technology will become an invisible and integral part of every field to the point that a concept like 'STEM' will probably mean something different. And not even that long, we're talking decades from now, not centuries. The men and women who're now young children and who haven't yet been born have such a fundamentally different relationship with technology that I don't even know if Star Trek and/or existing sci-fi will click for them. So current tech culture (unlike finance) has an inherently limited lifespan.
So... I dunno. I also doubt we *can* change a field's workplace culture unilaterally, whether or not we should. Pearl clutching aside, however, it's bound to change and grow more bland and conservative as tech matures.
which bits of men (specifically the ones who aren't, like, 95th percentile for beauty) are for ogling and such? you seem like a person who might know
oh man there are so many good things
(as always this is just the opinions of one admittedly pretty horny person)
- hair! I love long hair on men! I love curly hair! floofy hair! hair that is soft and nice to pet
- smiles. the thing where some guys smile and it just lights up their WHOLE FACE? it is so good.
- big noses!!!
- hands??? don’t you just love guys with big hands with a bit of fuzz on the back and calluses! or soft hands with long fingers! gosh!
- hipbones!! when they stick out and you want to lick them!
- when his belly is soft and just a LITTLE bit pudgy. that is VERY GOOD. so soft so nice to pet
- or ALTERNATIVELY when he is SKINNY and SMOL. oh no want to protect
- or when he is SO BIG that he could PICK YOU UP and CARRY YOU AROUND (I am p small lots of people can carry me around) and he is USUALLY SOFT but he has SECRET ARMS MUSCLES that show up for example when he’s fucking you in missionary position
- speaking of arms: arms. shoulders. gosh. it is a service to us all when men wear tank tops imo
- when guys have body hair and then you can put your cheek on it and rub it and it is SOFT and FUZZY
- some men move in a way that is SUPER GRACEFUL and then I cannot stop looking at them and it is PROBLEMATIC
- voices??? men who can sing are very good. guys with deep voices! guys with dom voices!
- jawlines! I have a Thing for jawlines
- dicks. I love all dicks. they are all great. like we talk about size but! what about the softness of the skin! what about the way the skin slides against the spongey bit when you give a blowjob! what about when a guy is just casually naked and he has a dick RIGHT THERE and it is v compact and neat-looking and also you want to put your mouth on it! what about when you are making out with someone and then you adjust a bit and then you can feel that he’s hard! dicks are an EXTREMELY GOOD BODY PART
nothing against this post in particular, but it reminds me that I find it amusing how ~boy positivity~ posts on tumblr always end up taking this cute, infantilizing tone that elides what is actually attractive about men
here are what I think are some ~cute boy things~
- controlling most major world governments
- being responsible for many important inventions and scientific discoveries
- spatial reasoning abilities
- low risk aversion
- sufficient strength to physically overpower you
if you are a boy who is driven to succeed at ambitious goals you are valid
if you are a boy who arrives at opinions through logical reasoning you are valid
if you are a boy with the confidence to advocate for unconventional ideas and take actions based on them you are valid
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“The discourse” was a pretentious way this type of intra-left argument would be referred to in academic circles, so when I first found out that Discourse was used this same way in professional pundit Twitter as well, I was pretty surprised - even as someone whose main writing topic is “Tumblr invisibly built modern politics”.
Truly the tombstone to my Tumblr career. I always feared and intuitively suspected this, but to see it in black and white..... Truly terrifying, tbh.