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"AU where JGY isn't evil" tag is an immediate fic red flag for me like we could not more clearly have irreconcilable differences around this character. so how did you make him "not evil" - did you make the jianghu an equal opportunity utopia with no social class hierarchy? did you raise him and his mother out of poverty? did you allow him to experience genuine compassion and consistent kindness from his peers so he could process and move past his trauma? did you stop him from having to suffer years and years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of his father and father's wife? no?

oh, you just made him make the choices WWX would. cool cool cool.

thank you thank you thank you and one million more times thank you.

i think i've had an extremely long post sitting in my drafts for a long time about this exactly but this is the perfect phrasing this is it exactly

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The Lan Sect received a letter urgently requesting their assistance in a series of deaths that had occurred in a small village in the outer reaches of Gusu. Jumping on the opportunity to leave his ever-growing pile of paperwork behind, Lan Xichen personally agreed to see to this case himself. Inviting his sworn brothers was a spur of the moment decision, motivated entirely by his own desire to see them. And, he’d reasoned to his uncle, they would work faster together, and he would be back to his duties as Sect Leader much sooner if he had some assistance.

case fic my beloved!!! I love a good case fic and this one is really great. I've said it before and I'll say it again, usually the fastest way to reconcile nieyao is to put LXC through the whump wringer, and this fic does just that. can they work together and put aside their issues before LXC, under a curse from a vengeful ghost, runs out of time?

oh! my! goodness! this is the best day of my life probably thank you!!!!

i love them and i love this art and ah!!!!

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really hoping not to bring the wrath of teenage tumblr assholes upon myself here, but.

i didn't really get Jin Guangyao's character when i first watched The Untamed and read MDZS. there was a lot going on with the protags i instantly loved and a bunch of other side characters, and i didn't pay attention/missed a lot of the little moments of development for him as well as his connection with Lan Xichen, so his final speechifying and the drama of his ending didn't really do anything for me. i enjoyed his acting in the series a lot, but i found the ending scene boring. and the method of Jin Guangshan's murder was just too icky for me tbh. a friendly anon asked me to keep an open mind, though, and i did! but even as i rewatched/reread in good faith, i really didn't think i would change my mind. still, i was open to it because i've had this experience before, of initially disliking a character and then finding them more and more compelling as i dug into the text. and now i genuinely love little murder dimples!

like, i keep wanting to articulate what i find so fascinating about him, but i don't think i can. there was a conversation in The Americans that always stood out for me, where the two spies talk about how the way to make it work - all the lying, the infiltrating, the seducing and sleeping with people they wouldn't normally be into, etc. - the way to make it both convincing and bearable for yourself is to "make it real," i.e. make yourself believe that you mean it in the moment. i just find that idea really interesting, because i think our natural impulse when being forced to do something we don't want to do or don't think is right, is to do it angrily, begrudgingly, or miserably. to insist internally on how much we hate it!! fine, i'll do it, but i'll complain the whole time! but that's not how you be good at it.

and i often think of that in relation to Jin Guangyao. i think that's part of what makes him an effective spy and a compelling character, and that's the function his little smile serves (or one of several functions, obviously). there's just this constant uncertainty about when he's lying and when he's telling the truth, and i think at least like 60% of the time, he's lying while also telling the truth. because he's making it real for himself. because that's the only way forward. this story is overwhelmingly about people who feel that they're doing what has to be done, and this is just JGY's version of that. like, i am convinced that as he's pulling the sword out of that general dude and turning to Nie Mingjue to tell him "it wasn't me", at that specific moment he has genuinely made himself believe that it wasn't him.

the moment at the Guanyin temple, when Lan Xichen reminds him that Jin Ling is a child and his nephew, is probably one of my favorites:

At a loss for words, Jin Guangyao laughed out loud instead. "Er-ge, what are you implying? Of course I know Jin Ling is a child, and that he's my nephew. What did you think I was going to do? Kill him to seal his lips? [...] A-Ling, you hear that? If you try to run away or scream, it seems I might do something terrible to you. I'll let you decide."

i mean it is just so SOOOOOOO. i can't articulate it! i think at first it comes across as your typical villain spiel, but it's not! like, he's saying that he wouldn't do something terrible to him, and look at what these people are implying! but he's also saying that he would do something terrible to him if it has to be done. and like, the first part is not a lie, and the second part is not an empty threat. both are true somehow. he cares about Jin Ling but he will kill him if it becomes necessary. but like, it sounds stupid when i say it like this, when it's actually really intense and complex and just really compelling??

ugh idk man, i just really do appreciate this character a lot, and i wish he wasn't so polarizing to the fandom (though i guess that's why he's polarizing). it's just this piece where no matter how hard you try, you can't quite put your finger on it. but it's THERE.

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What never came across in either translation or the drama is that JGY spoke in kindergarten teacher voice (the one people often say the use to pacify angry customers) almost all the time, esp during guanyin temple.

The reason I assume he does this (pardon me as I have not checked canon in a while) is because he adds a 呀 (polite lighthearted exclaimation) to the end of some of his sentences under REALLY TENSE SITUATIONS. The cultural equivalence would be saying "oh my..." at the beginning, but it's much more subtle so I understand not translating it that way.

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some of the tags on this post are a goldmine

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Are those little dolls made to look like 3zun as animals in the most recent comic? I need to know how/when Nie Mingjue got those. Are they gifts from Lan Xichen or Nie Huaisang? Did Jin Guangyao sew them himself and stuff them full of evil talismans in case the song didn't work? So many possibilities.

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The 3zun dolls were a self-indulgent reference to this (previously abandoned) doodle! As for who made them in universe? I'll leave it up for interpretation B*)

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@guqin-and-flute sent me a Dad Sayings list a while back and I wound up losing it but I DID make notes on what applied to who in 3zun 👀 and yes, NMJ is most of them

JGY may be the "I'm not heating the whole neighbourhood" dad but despite that he's not the "do not even THINK about touching the thermostat" dad - that's NMJ. JGY gets cold all the time and now he is rich he is very pro-theromostat-adjustment, turn that shit UP.

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