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NEVER LET YOURSELF BE STOPPED BY WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE IF YOU STARTED EARLIER!!!!! THE ONLY TIME WE HAVE IS NOW

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[walking confidently into a live minefield] I can't say for sure how we reached the point where "trans women everywhere (read as: everywhere online) oppress/hate/are secretly plotting the downfall of trans men" is a thing that people think is both true and reasonable to believe, but I think at least one factor is a stupid vicious cycle of bad actors and gullible bystanders where, like. you have some guys engaging in shitty misogynistic behavior > some women either try to explain why this behavior is shitty and misogynistic (to no avail) or just disengage entirely > instead of learning from this, the guys act all wounded about it > outside observers who don't have a great grasp on the situation (or maybe don't have great grasp on how misogyny functions in general, or think that only cis men can engage in misogynistic behaviors, or have some kind of unconscious hang-up against trans women) see this and think aw man, these poor dudes are getting ragged on for no reason! > people who weren't necessarily doing the original shitty misogynistic behavior are falsely pointing the finger at trans women for "starting shit" > this is obviously fucking irritating, and no one has an infinite well of patience, so after calmly defending themselves however many times, some of these ladies are just gonna start telling bad-faith jokers to fuck off > shitty dudes and gullible bystanders go "see, they're doing it again! those man-hating harpies!" > women continue to be irritated and (understandably) defensive, tell bad-faith jokers to fuck off > and so on and so forth.

and to be clear "vicious cycle" does not mean "oh well really it's everyone's fault for being involved in the whole mess." I think there's a pretty clear cause and effect here where if you're dismissive of women's voices and viewpoints, and hold them to unfair standards, and just generally aren't very nice, they might not be very nice to you in return. and why should they be!

oh lol and how could I forget... I think the mere existence of the word "transandrophobia" created a red hot death spiral of miscommunication where you have people who are earnest believers in misandry as a real thing but also a lot of people who are inadvertently positioning it as a real thing, and then when people in the second group face pushback they either don't understand why or start actually believing in misandry out of spite. I always thought the trajectory there is something like: the word "transmisogyny" entered mainstream use, which describes how trans women are stuck between a rock in a hard place thanks to the dual forces of transphobia (which affects all trans people) and misogyny (which affects all women) > someone coins the phrase "transmisandry" in an attempt to argue that trans men face a combination of transphobia (which affects all trans people) and... misandry? (which affects all men? wait hold on idk about that) > "transmisandry" gets rebranded as "transandrophobia" even though it's just using different greek roots that mean the same thing > bystander who is not familiar with the history of these terms assumes that transmisogyny simply means "transphobia that happens to girls" and therefore transandrophobia must mean "transphobia that happens to boys" > you get situations where person A says "transandrophobia isn't real" and means "there is no such thing as an intersection of transphobia and misandry" but person B hears this and thinks "wow, this asshole doesn't think men ever face transphobia?"

and again, the problem here still doesn't cut both ways, because person A can explain a million times that misandry is not a meaningful structural force, and that "the male equivalent of transmisogyny" still isn't a useful term in the same way that "the male equivalent of lesbophobia" or "the monosexual equivalent of biphobia" aren't useful terms either, but person B is often not receptive to this. so now person A has to brace themselves whenever they see someone using the word "transandrophobia," because they've learned from experience that whatever conversation follows is gonna be unproductive at best or hostile at worst.

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