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Jude and how she loves (idk what to title it lol)

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tfota as weird Pinterest pics lol part 3

Cardan and nicasia that time they went to the undersea together (idk abt this one guys)

How Val, lolli, Dave, and Luis looked to everyone after glamouring themselves in the mortal world:

Prince dain when coming to the conclusion of kill his gf and baby or become king instead(he has deer legs do u get it):

the roach when Jude miraculously healed him from an incurable poison and his almost gf confesses her love for him right after:

madoc scheming to kill the bloodline that he was sworn to and betray the prince helping him so that he could put his son on the throne and be king:

Humans w their Rowan berries and salt to the fae:

Jude trying to remember her school work, spy work, poison ratio she has to take every night, and her training w madoc (she is actually insane for this bro):

Madoc when Jude brought cardan into balekins coronation:

Madoc when Jude exposed his plot and beat him at a duel after poisoning his wine:

how cardan expected Jude to come home to him after receiving his love letters:

lol check my masterlist for the other ones bc linking them is too much work ok bye 🫶

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Anonymous asked:

So I'm trying to figure this out and if I'm just missing it in the books let me know. Why did he give Locke the position of Master of Revels? I understand his forgiveness and sort of friendship with Nicasia, I do. But Locke? I don't get it. Hope you're having a good day

Why did cardan make Locke the master of revels/why did cardan forgive Locke?

hi! Thanks for the ask! Hope you’re having a great day/ night too!!

Cardan gave Locke the title of master of revels for a number of reasons,

But first, the title gives Locke he overseeing of revels right, so he’s like the guy that plans all the parties.

Cardan knows that Locke is mischievous, that he likes a good story above all, and that he can acquire that by giving him the title.

But cardan and Locke obviously have history, Locke stole nicasia from him and they screwed around behind his back, so why give locke such a great boon?

Because, cardan didn’t want to be king, he doesn’t even see himself as king, he sees Jude as queen.

But by throwing Jude under the bus by giving locke a position in court that would make Jude’s life harder(to pay her back for putting him on the throne, which he didn’t want), and maybe make cardans job as king something more of an opportunity to be like how he was as prince:

Someone who can drink their problems away, taking the drugs and powders of nevermore/never, making merry with courtiers of the kingdom.

As for his forgiveness toward Locke, we must remember that Locke is (most likely) a gancanagh. A charm speaker, a love speaker. Someone who can sway others to their side by saying all of the right things, by saying the things that person wants to hear most.

It’s likely that cardan was swayed by Locke into remaining friendly with him, even after the betrayal. Tbh tho I’m not sure if cardan ever really forgave Locke. Most likely just tolerated him lol

Locke is also one of his only friends, and one of his only friends that isn’t actively trying to physically hurt him, only emotionally. But cardan is so emotionally and mentally broken from years of abuse that i doubt he comes to care much.

Like i said in my last post, about how cardan forgives his abusers, cardan can be kind. He has the capacity to forgive, time and time again.

Lastly; the whole relationship status in elfhame can be complicated. There doesn’t seem to be a “boy friend” or “girlfriend” or just significant other status that isn’t husband or wife(there’s consorts but that seems reserved for royals, lords and ladies). And husband and wife status, especially in royalty seems to be complete and utter devotion.

When fae take lovers, they seem to see lovemaking as a sport, so coming to CARE for those lovers would make a person seem weak. Especially for a prince. Cardan showing how Locke and nicasias relationship affected him would make him seem weak, would give them both the upper hand, by 1. Giving nicasia power over cardan, and 2. By Locke making a story out of the betrayal.

Cardan lived by the whole “boy with a heart of stone” story his whole life, but he didn’t have a heart of stone, and making it seem like he didn’t made him seem weak. Cardan held desperately onto the only power he had, his title as prince and using it to be cruel.

Overall, Cardan gave Locke the title for cardans own benefit, to terrorize Jude, to see being king as something that isn’t a burden. And he “forgave” Locke because it’s likely that Locke is just charming that way, and because Locke is one of his last buds, and because cardan doesn’t want to seem weak for not forgiving him.

Anyway that’s what i came up w, thanks for the ask! Hope i answered your question! Feel free to add on! 🫶

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cardan just wanted love. 😐

i was just replying to someone regarding nicasia and i had this sorta realization moment abt cardan lol

Cardan is consistently merciful toward people that wrong him. To his abusers.

He spares his mother when she leaves the tower of forgetting. He gives her a courtier title. After her lifelong abuse. he spares balekin from execution time and time again, despite all the death threats and beatings and humiliation. he forgives nicasia and Locke and remains (sorta) friends with them after they screwed around behind his back and broke his heart. He forgives Jude for putting him on the throne, for killing balekin.

Cardan has the capacity to be a lot kinder to those he cares about. While he attempts to act like he has a stone heart, he cares so deeply about the few people around him. No matter how they treat him in return.

Even his sisters, whom treated him like a dog when he was a child, throwing food at him under the table. He held balekin responsible for killing them, even when they had little love for him.

and his father, whom tossed him out of the kingdom for dains lies. He still strove for his fathers love and attention. And he did what he thought he needed to do to get that attention.

All he wanted was love, and he gave a lot more of it than he wanted to show. I’m so glad he found it w Jude 😭

And with Jude, he gave her everything. He gave her half of his army bro. HALF OF HIS ARMY just because she ASKED. She didn’t even have to order him to do it, because he trusts her and he so badly wants her to trust him too.

He secretly desired (and eventually cared for) her for yearsss. It’s so sweet how they went from school rivals besting and beating one another, to them making each other king and queen. ENOUGH

moral of the story, he just wanted LOVE. 😭😭😭😭😭😭

I’ll never stop thinking about them, idc how generic and obvious my posts are, every throwaway thought i have of them i will post

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Jude/vivi and madoc parallels

Jude gets revenge on Madoc not just by scheming to keep madoc from coming into power, but by doing to him and oriana what he did to her mother and father.

of course, Jude didn’t kill them, but she did take their child from elfhame to be raised in the mortal world.

She made a changeling out of oak after madoc made a changeling out of her and her sisters.

I like how Madoc and Jude both could use the excuse of having “honor” to justify why they did it. Madoc took Jude and Taryn out of honor and obligation, perhaps a little shame and guilt. Jude whisked oakey to the mortal world out of her obligation not toward him as a sister, but as the high kings seneschal and by being loyal to the greenbrair line, because oak too, is a greenbriar prince.

The same way she goes out of her way to protect cardan consistently is the same way she protects oakey. She was loyal to first dain, then cardan, and through protecting cardan does she protect oak.

anyway- meanwhile madoc, betrayer of the greenbrair line, plans to put oak, his adopted son, on the throne, but in doing so would he more than likely cause oak great trauma. The same way he traumatized his girls, partly by shoving them into the violent and unforgiving high court.

He was loyal at first to eldred, then to balekin, and was ready to be “loyal” to oak before jude stepped in. (Wayy later he was eventually loyal to her and oakey: “I’ll bend my head to you, and only you”.)

add on: i like how madoc raised Jude to always have honor and loyalty, and Jude absolutely lived by that. Through living that way, she maintained her relationship w Taryn, continued to serve in the court of shadows after dains death, serving the greenbriar line thru oak and cardan, became elfhames queen, and was loyal even during her exile. Meanwhile, madoc was loyal-less he had more ego and power hunger than honor, and it cost him everything, his status, his home(bro got exiled), his relationship w his family, nearly everything.

anyway those parallels are crazy, they mirror each other really well. Their plans were literally opposite, but their methods, using multiple greenbriars to come into power, were similar. only Jude was loyal and had good intentions and madoc was not loyal and had bad intentions.

Now, Vivienne and madoc are opposites in this, vivienne didn’t kill her lover and take the lovers children, instead, she brings her lover a child-brother to care for with her.

Anyway idk moral of the story madoc is a hypocritical idiot and Jude is so much better than he ever could’ve been lol.

i also love how Jude learned everything from him. ofc by being the model soldier, endless loyalty and strength, swordmanship, strategy. and then she used it all against him, all while having loyalty to the king. maybe it’s not as a big deal to have honor in tfota as i thought, esp since madoc seems to lack it sm, but i always thought that he’d be pretty proud of her for beating him all while doing what he couldn’t. Being loyal and having honor.

i love Jude’s character sm. she is so loyal and she really does what she can for her family no matter how much it hurts her. On the other hand, madoc does things for his family but sacrifices their well being for it. 😭😭 their parallels are endless and i could go on and on but I’ll spare you

this was just thought soup,(i said the word “honor” way too much didn’t i) and i really hope it made sense lol, feel free to add on! 🫶

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thought dump on new tfota book:

i think the reason that there’s going to be another jurdan book (supposedly) is mostly because Jude and cardan both have very unfinished stories.

you know that deleted scene at the end of qon where Jude and cardan are all sweet laying on the grass together? it was cut for a reason, and replaced w the epilogue in the mortal world.

In that epilogue, Jude herself hopes in her head that cardan won’t lash out at any humans. i always hated that part in her monologue, because it shows that Jude still doesn’t even really know the man before her.

it’s bittersweet that in their time outside of the series after qon, that maybe Jude learned why cardan wouldn’t lash out at humans. or maybe she’s yet to learn it in the new book.

but while i feel like there’s potential for them to do more, not just politically but with their relationship, some things are better left unsaid.

also, i don’t see the series being very romantically focused on Jurdan, only because miss black hasn’t really done that when it comes to her folk of the air series before. it’ll def be more politically driven.

i dreaded the publishing of the stolen heir and the prisoners throne because i worried that it would ruin Jude and cardan for me, and while that wasn’t the case, i still found myself unsatisfied with their story and how the entire family doesn’t really know each other.

don’t get me wrong, i do love family drama, but at the same time, Jude and cardan and oak and vivienne and Taryn have all endured so much trauma, I’d die for them to just be happy.

i assume the political problem will be the one i vaguely remember from the prisoners throne, the croin guy who hates orlagh and nicasia (can we blame him) and his evil sea buddies who attacked that ship oak and suren were on

Anyway i def think madocs dying in the next books, since it’s undersea based, and he had the queen of the undersea shot and whatnot, and while the ghost payed the price for that (sorta but not intentionally) i still think madoc is kicking the bucket.

Someone important is gonna die and i dread it.

on a lighter note, i really wish that miss black would pick up some of her older characters, not just for cameos. (Not gonna happen but i can HOPE)

i want to see Ben and severin, corny and Luis, Kaye and roiben, Val and ravus and their cute little troll babies. i want more info on the greenbriar line, on Val moren, on Locke even, his parents, on Jude’s parents, oriana, grima mog, anyone.

I’d especially like to see oriana and madoc finally have a relationship that isn’t based on obligation, one where there isn’t cute little Oakey pokey to take care of now that he’s grown. especially if it’s like scraps, like random interactions they have from someone else’s pov (idk i just think that’s so cute)

Lastly, all the hate im seeing abt jurdan potentially being the main focus for the next book is halfway understandable but also pretty sucky, as if oak and suren didn’t have their own duology after tcp trilogy. i can understand ofc not wanting them to be the main focus but slandering miss black over it is just rude, let her lock in and create another beautifully written fantasy world with complex characters.

also we know pretty much nothing. what the author said doesn’t even automatically confirm it’s going to be a jurdan book, but conclusions have already been jumped to and half the fandom is super excited and the other half hates the thought of jurdan getting another story.

edit for whoever sent that ask: of course it’s fine to not want them to be the center of the book! i agree, but yknow what they say: “you get what you get and you don’t get upset!” so maybe let’s not say mean things abt the author because that’s not very nice, if you’re gonna criticize, criticize the work and not the creator?

anyway idk i have 0 motivation to post anything decent hence why i haven’t posted an analysis in about 162948392 years only because I’m basing it on my reread and that’s going super poorly bc I’m taking a torturous precalc class

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tfota pictures w captions for giggles (i hate the word meme guys i can’t take it anymore)

faeries upon eating in the mortal world (namely madoc, vivi, oak, and Kaye):

madoc when Jude yelled at his green ass in tpt:

Eldred when all of his sons turned out to be absolute cunts that all wanted him dead(the land of promise was his only option but it’s ok bc his son beat him to it):

Valerian watching with his pale blue eyes as Jude, from across the battlefield, destroys cardans ego (secretly wishes it was him):

Dain and balekin to each other throughout the entire first book and probably long before that:

Cardan when jude never found out that he sent her a pretty dress and instead forced him to be king instead (atleast she tied him up👅):

Madoc locking in when his least fav prince finds out his dead wife was actually living happily w three kids including his own with his human servant blacksmith, and that prince uses that info to make him do his bidding:

Half of the royal family (pic reminds me of grandpa eldy tho) spotting cardan and Jude having a very heated fight across the mock war field:

Jude when her sisters bitchass husband who is also her ex bf jumped her for fun and stole her sisters wedding gift so he could give it to her sister instead:

How i see oak in every book he’s in: (this FUCKINF PICTURE LMAOOO)

Part 1: here

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screaming and crying at how once Jude is beneath the waves, cardan is a child again. Wanting to resort to violence to pry Jude from the fingers of her assailants. Because his entire childhood was spent being cruel for his mothers attention, and acting cruelly and lashing out for his fathers attention.

It was the only power he had, being the youngest but worst prince. It was one of the only tactics for things to go his way. and now, with balekin gone and Jude being the only one to control him, but beneath the waves, he’s just lost. He feels powerless as high king, but imagines that Jude is there with him, giving him orders.

but after all that she has taught him, all that he has learned from watching her levelheadedness rule elfhame so sufficiently, he works WITH madoc (who slaughtered his family) and the undersea (who stole his seneschal and lover) to get her back.

add on: not only that, but he’s willing to risk war and disloyalty within his lower courts for her, allowing to the undersea to attack lord roibens court. all for Jude.

People talk a lot abt him breaking his moral code for her, but no one mentions how he learned to be a good high king, he learned to not be the boy in the story with a stone heart. For, and because of Jude, so that he could get her back. FUCK. I love him

deleted scene from the wicked king, found in the Barnes and nobles exclusive edition.

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How is no one talking about- “Alive or dead, I never cared for him. I only cared for you. If you're sorrowful hes gone, then I am sorry for that. If you wished he were returned to life so you could kill him again, I recognize that feeling. But perhaps you dispensed justice and are only troubled that justice can be cruel.” …. Not only does Madoc understand his daughter to such a good degree that he mentions how she did justice and just doesn't like that justice is violent, he also validates her feelings and has compassion for her, even though he personally does not understand her feeling of mourning over killing someone. Like…. Say what you will about Madoc, but he was a damned good father, though misguided at times holy fuck.

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ivycrestfell

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN HOLLY BLACK YOU CANT JUST SAY THIS 😭😭😭

like am i stupid or what bc WHOS POV IS THE NEXT BOOK GONNA BE IN?! she says it won’t be nicasias??? but i totally thought it was?

cardan was the one who said what was gonna happen next, but holly has also said that there’s a lot of story left in Jude?

and we were left on almost a cliffhanger w the prisoners throne, never rly seeing oak and suren together officially.

AND since it’ll be undersea focused, but not nicasias pov, will it be the pov of her husband???

the prisoners throne mentioned a something “croin” guy who’s the underseas opp so will he be nicasias future hubby? or will he be Jude and cardans and potentially nicasias political problem?

But what does “straight sequel” mean 😭 sorta seems like it’ll be cardan pov but IDKK

I’m panicking. Let me know what you think of this bc idk

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madockisser

this may sound controversial but i am afraid for future jurdan books bc what they have now is PERFECTION.

To me, it sounds like it will be Jude and Cardan's. If that was supposed to be obvious at the end of TPTs, I'm dumb as rocks 💀

i hope so but then i wonder what it’s even gonna be abt lol 😭 I love holly black and her work but I’m so nervous that the new books will change jurdan for me

I get that. It has been long enough that a headcanon might be more satisfying than a sequel. I already didn't like some jurdan things in TPT, but maybe in another book were they are main it won't be a problem. Also, wasn't this supposed to be YA? I presume by fae terms you can be 100 and still a young adult 💀

LOL honestly idk how to feel abt the age rating, she said ya but we will be focusing on adults? i get that they were once children that she wrote abt, but not only have her characters grown up, but so has her audience and target demographic.. which also makes me think it won’t be a jurdan book? bc she allwayyss writes abt younger teens and stuff

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ivycrestfell

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN HOLLY BLACK YOU CANT JUST SAY THIS 😭😭😭

like am i stupid or what bc WHOS POV IS THE NEXT BOOK GONNA BE IN?! she says it won’t be nicasias??? but i totally thought it was?

cardan was the one who said what was gonna happen next, but holly has also said that there’s a lot of story left in Jude?

and we were left on almost a cliffhanger w the prisoners throne, never rly seeing oak and suren together officially.

AND since it’ll be undersea focused, but not nicasias pov, will it be the pov of her husband???

the prisoners throne mentioned a something “croin” guy who’s the underseas opp so will he be nicasias future hubby? or will he be Jude and cardans and potentially nicasias political problem?

But what does “straight sequel” mean 😭 sorta seems like it’ll be cardan pov but IDKK

I’m panicking. Let me know what you think of this bc idk

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madockisser

this may sound controversial but i am afraid for future jurdan books bc what they have now is PERFECTION.

To me, it sounds like it will be Jude and Cardan's. If that was supposed to be obvious at the end of TPTs, I'm dumb as rocks 💀

i hope so but then i wonder what it’s even gonna be abt lol 😭 I love holly black and her work but I’m so nervous that the new books will change jurdan for me

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ivycrestfell

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN HOLLY BLACK YOU CANT JUST SAY THIS 😭😭😭

like am i stupid or what bc WHOS POV IS THE NEXT BOOK GONNA BE IN?! she says it won’t be nicasias??? but i totally thought it was?

cardan was the one who said what was gonna happen next, but holly has also said that there’s a lot of story left in Jude?

and we were left on almost a cliffhanger w the prisoners throne, never rly seeing oak and suren together officially.

AND since it’ll be undersea focused, but not nicasias pov, will it be the pov of her husband???

the prisoners throne mentioned a something “croin” guy who’s the underseas opp so will he be nicasias future hubby? or will he be Jude and cardans and potentially nicasias political problem?

But what does “straight sequel” mean 😭 sorta seems like it’ll be cardan pov but IDKK

I’m panicking. Let me know what you think of this bc idk

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madockisser

this may sound controversial but i am afraid for future jurdan books bc what they have now is PERFECTION.

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the folk of the air meme/funnies masterlist

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tfota as Pinterest pics part 1, part 2,

tfota as stupid memes i found on Pinterest lol part 1 , part 2, part 3

dain meme 1 and 2

tfota meme dump 1, and dump 2

idk what to call this meme 1 (Jude’s version), and meme 2 (cardans version)

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just to keep track and make it easy for ppl to find my stuff

idk abt u but the end of qon tore me up emotionally so maybe if u are craving some tfota flavored giggles this’ll be a blast 🫦 love u

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