You throw another moon at me, and I’m gonna lose it!
Y’all remember the magic surrounding Avengers: Infinity War? The hype before and then after? Idk man that was a wild time and low key, I miss it.
There is no argument, this scene is the best thing that infinity war has given us
I always forget how devastating Peter Parker’s dusting scene is until I watch it like I always forget how Tom Holland delivers his lines and every time I watch it I’m like “Oh RiGhT”
infinity war is such an angst party my god it has the same energy as try-hard angsty comic books granted it does not quite reach the try hard angsty comic book level because I have yet to laugh at it but still same energy
I accepted & made peace with the apparent fact that Loki actually might have died in Infinity War with a strange level of ease but I feel like that’s because past events of the mcu have conditioned a part of my subconscious to never actually believe that Loki can die
Oh my friends, my friends forgive me That I live and you are gone
It’s too easy to accidentally type stan instead of stab lol
so i was watching infinity war again and i noticed that out of thor, tony, and steve’s entrances (marvel’s “big three”), tony’s is the only one where the avengers theme doesn’t play. steve and thor’s pieces are the avengers theme, but in tony’s there’s only two or three measures, just the very beginning of it, after which it morphs into something different and unique (it doesn’t play in his fight with thanos either). and i realized that while it was never addressed on screen, the score tells us how tony feels about the team post-civil war: he feels alone.
think about it: in civil war, natasha, steve, and clint all went against him. no one knew where thor and bruce were. civil war split the team, and left tony feeling that he was on his own, separated from everyone else.
there isn’t really a point to this, i just thought it was a really cool detail alan silvestri put into the score.
if anyone wants to listen to the music itself without the movie, these are the tracks i’m referring to:
steve: help arrives 0:06-0:46
thor: forge 3:25-4:19
tony: he won’t come out 2:10-2:25
another interesting detail is that tony’s entrance theme is actually more thematically similar to peter’s (he won’t come out 0:36-0:41) than any of the other avengers’.
there’s also never a moment where the avengers theme plays during a group shot, something both previous avengers movies had, signifying even more that the team has split apart.
a movie’s score, done right, is just as an important storytelling tool as the writing, directing, and acting.
A good score can tell the story even better than dialogue. It’ll be really rewarding to (hopefully) see the Avengers theme played next year when they finally reunite and forgive each other. I bet Infinity War will be much more fun to watch after seeing how it set up A4 once we’ve all seen that.
Tony Stark in Avengers: Infinity War The Gentle, Reassuring, Attentive Soft Dad™
shoutout to the mvp of Infinity War, Zoe Saldana, she did a darn good job
So far my mom has the best Thanos nickname with “empty-headed evil nutsack”
Didn’t see the actual tear until now and I wanna die
Marvel really came out on this blessed day just to have Tony go “time for a baby please maybe uwu” wow their MINDS
Transcript Excerpts from Infinity War DVD Commentary on: Tony Stark
[Thanos’ first scene, where he kills Loki]
JOE: Thanos is violent and cruel. It’s interesting because, as Thanos moves forward in the film from this moment, once he disposes of his armour, he almost becomes a holy warrior. Where he doesn’t spend a lot of energy intentionally trying to murder people, unless they’re in some way a threat to his agenda. But almost no one ends up being a threat to the agenda except for Tony, who I think feels he has this sort of existential connection to Thanos. And we’ll get to that when we get to that scene, but its the one moment (since brutally murdering Loki for disobedience) where he actively is going to murder someone for standing in his way.
[Tony about to call Steve at the Sanctum]
MARKUS: We are about to get to a longstanding character conflict built from Civil War, which is, Tony is about to realise that the one person who could help him is the one person he least wants to talk to. JOE: And he luckily carries around the burner phone. MCFEELY: It is convenient that he keeps it charged. JOE: Fully charged. (laughs) Well to be fair, we did have another scene between Pepper and Tony that illustrated where the phone came from. But it was a reshoot scene that we then opted to revert back to the park scene with, so… MCFEELY: And just to underline between lines here, when he says Steve might be able to help, it’s because Tony knows that Wanda is on the run with Steve. And he knows that Vision has been stepping out and maybe having a relationship with Wanda. And he has been cool with that and probably not called Vision to task for it. So, yeah, Tony knows a lot here. JOE: Yeah, Tony’s too intelligent and has too big of an ego to be a stooge to the government. He will take whatever by-product came out of Civil War and use it to his own advantage and to keep the Avengers alive in a way that he feels like is, the less the compromise, the better for him. So I think he has not been actively pursuing bringing Steve, Nat, Sam, and Wanda to justice. He has, in fact, been turning the other way.
[Peter joining and helping Tony fight against the Black Order]
JOE: The relationship between Peter Parker and Tony Stark is integral to the emotional core of the film. And its one that was set up in Civil War, continued in Homecoming, and is furthered here. And it is a father-son relationship, and one that will ultimately end up being exceedingly painful for Tony. ANTHONY: Circumstances sort of forced them to move forward into a more complex place with one another.
MCFEELY:Tony tries to save him, tries to protect him, and actually he does save him, sends him home. Kid’s too much of a hero for that.
(Rhodey at the Compound)
SOMEONE: Even though Team Cap caused physical damage to Rhodey, he does not hesitate, as a hero, to invite in other heroes who can help defend the planet when aliens invade. JOE: And I think it would be a much different situation if Tony were here. If Tony and Steve had to see each other for the first time, it would be much more complicated. MCFEELY: Which is why we didn’t do it. We tried in a few drafts and it ground things to a halt. JOE: Rhodey is once removed from that conflict. He’s also an extremely heroic character, a military man, and understands that his sacrifice needs to be put aside for the greater good of the universe.
(Tony and Strange on the Q-ship)
MCFEELY: We tried to give every main character a bit of a topic sentence; “Why am I in this movie? Why am I going to the great lengths I’m going to?” […] Tony tells Dr Strange that Thanos has been rolling around in his head and “I gotta do something about it. He’s been the cause of all my anxiety.”
JOE: One of my favourite scenes in the movie is this showdown between these two great actors [RDJ & Cumberbatch]
MCFEELY: Yeah. You’ve been waiting for this sort of confrontation.
MARKUS: If you remember in Avengers, Tony goes to space for a very brief moment, and sees what is, in effect, the looming threat of Thanos. And now he is in space again and its time to face that thing he saw back then.
JOE: And these characters all have very cathartic histories that are clashing with each other. Strange lost the Ancient One and learned a very powerful lesson about protecting the Time Stone and what his mission is as Master of Mystic Arts. Tony saw a vision of all of his friends dead. These are powerful motivators that drive these characters on their missions, and their missions are conflicting with each other.
[Tony and Thanos 1v1 Fight]
JOE: And here comes Tony. So, the journey that Tony’s been on as a genius/scientist, is the evolution of his armour. This is the best it’s ever gonna get for Tony and his nanotech. He goes to the cutting edge of what his mind can deliver and it still is not enough to beat Thanos. And in fact, barely keeps him in the fight. MCFEELY: After his initial remark, there’s not a lot of smart aleck here. [referring to the “You throw another moon at me and I’m gonna lose it” line] MARKUS: You realise this interesting parallel between Thanos and Tony. They’re both aware of something from an early point and constantly having to deal with being smarter. Thanos is a futurist as much as Tony Stark. JOE: Which is why he’s aware of Stark from that original battle in New York as the person who undid the plan. MARKUS: And a little bit of respect from Thanos. JOE: We should also talk about that misdirect - Tony Stark getting impaled here. That also was to make you believe that this could potentially be the end of Tony Stark’s journey in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In fact, it’s a plot twist. MCFEELY: It really gets a reaction.
[That Scene]
MARKUS: Tony starts the movie talking about the possibility of having a child and effectively loses one at the end. JOE: Peter’s death wasn’t originally drawn out like this. He [RDJ???] kept driving to put more and more emotion into it and just went up to Tom and said, “You don’t wanna go. You’re a child. You’re using your spider strength not to go.” And now this is a colossal loss for Tony. As snarky as his relationship is with Peter Parker, he cares deeply about him. And to have him die in his arms will change him forever.
Thank you so much for typing all this out, @jess-b-xo! It definitely provides some incredible insight into Tony’s character in the film.
I am really interested to know what the alternative scene was going to be with Pepper and Tony to explain the cellphone. Was it going to be Pepper pushing Tony to bring it with him? Or would it have been Pepper asking, “Why do you carry that with you all the time?”
And on that last point? My heart… it can’t deal.
Tony took the fight into space, away from Earth, because the vision from Age of Ultron is still in his head.
We have verbal confirmation from Joe Russo that Tony is still not over that experience – and that it’s a catalyst for his actions even years later.
Tony willingly puts his life on the line to protect his friends – even though he hasn’t seen them in years, even though he hasn’t spoken with them in so long, even though things ended poorly between them, he wants them safe.
Add the fact he could’ve easily figured out where the Secret Avengers were, but deliberately and willfully looked the other way to protect them? That he’s been working behind-the-scenes to keep them alive even now?
I love him. I love him. I LOVE HIM.
Pepperony deleted scene! Starts off the same as what’s in the movie but totally different. Tony really wants a baby! His please and maybe is everything. Give Tony Stark his happy ending! He deserves it, no more angst!!!
“Honey, you’re totally rambling, you lost me” MY HEART THIS IS SO CUTE