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Kris Leliel

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Friendly reminder that if you cannot explain, discuss, or celebrate your beliefs without shitting on someone else's, you neither understand nor truly believe in your chosen path.

Yes, even if you have trauma.

And no, you don't get to claim the suffering of people who died during witch trials because those were not secret pagan witches.

Also, learn your history. Not everything was originally a pagan sex festival, the Wheel of the Year is a recent invention, Christians did not steal our holidays, and cultural development doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Don't be a pick-me witch. You're better than that. So do better.

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aeternalight

I understand to some extent, but when your spiritual identity has been torn apart because someone or something of a different faith has hurt you, then it's okay to exist in spite of another path.

Besides, not all paths will be yours, and you do not have to kindly respect other's paths, in response.

As long as you are not hurting innocent people that have not hurt you, it's okay to be angry with other deities or spiritual practices outside of your own. And as long as you are not colonizing other's faiths, just because you disagree with them, you are free to be angry.

I personally have religious and cult trauma, RAMCOA in all, throughout multiple lives. I do not belong to a single faith, nor do I see my "faith" above anyone else's. I have a deep hatred for cults and religions that exploit other people, especially christianity. But that does not make my experiences less true or less real, just because I feel estranged from others.

I understand what you are referring to, and that can be frustrating. But if you are multifaceted in your faith, like myself, its kind of hard to not see flaws in the way history has been written.

It is okay to criticize or to loathe other faiths, especially if you have been hurt by them. We do not need to be civil with things that uphold systematic oppression and bring fear to exploited innocents.

While I respect your personal struggle and your journey toward healing from past trauma, that is not what the post is about.

Discussing one's current beliefs, discussing one's religious trauma, and criticizing issues and shortcomings extant within religious systems are separate conversations. And it's important to be able to separate your journey with your new faith from the pain caused by the old one. This is definitely a process. But it needs doing.

Everyone has their own reasons for what they believe, including existing in spite of whatever faith they were raised with, but if you cannot discuss or describe your current beliefs without going into a tangent about Why This Other Religion Sucks, you are still existing within and measuring your beliefs by that other framework.

It's fine to be angry. It's fine to need time to process trauma. It's fine to engage in critical discussion. But your reasons for being a witch or pagan or what have you should be deeper and more complex than, "Because I Hate Christianity."

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lonelyleliel

Damn this is a really intriguing discussion! Don't know if anyone will read this, but here's my breakdown.

“…if you cannot discuss or describe your current beliefs without going into a tangent about Why This Other Religion Sucks, you are still existing within and measuring your beliefs by that other framework.” - @breelandwalker

That’s such an AWESOME statement within itself. What both @breelandwalker and @aeternalight are discussing are the factors that affect a person’s extrinsic and intrinsic religiosity.

Read More below, but if tl;dr: All arguments are antiprejudice and pro-healing trauma, so why are y'all fighting? Lol. What your reasons are for being a witch/pagan/etc. "should" be is debatable, because separating our pain from our path isn't likely, but if you wanna do that, then you do you, boo.

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sag-dab-sar

Reminder: Dia de los Muertos is not Halloween and it is not Samhain. It is separate. It has its own proscribed traditions and cultural importance. If you have a chance to celebrate with your local Mexican community cool! But it is not a neo-pagan or "witchy" accessory to use in Samhain rituals or pagan festivals, or whatever.

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lonelyleliel

THIS.

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Many of us who become intrigued in occultism, whether we believe in its power or not, often start with books that give us general descriptions of the topics we’re interested in. These descriptions can be gateways to other schools of thought. If you’ve come across #WitchTok, #occulttok, and other social media circles those are also gateways in themselves, but you should know that those bite-sized pieces of information aren’t enough to get the full picture of occult practices.

…Perhaps it’s silly to think a video game would inspire this kind of article, but I really love a mystery/horror story that has a well-read protagonist who applies their knowledge to the mystery itself and the knowledge they use isn’t half-baked, nonsensical fear mongering. In the game, there are five skills listed under each of the three categories, so in three parts, I will briefly go over the skill and how they can be applied to your own research. I hope this article will help those who are new learners of occult topics or those who are already down the road with their research and would like to consider a different approach.

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Moondays Should Be Mindful - [Just Me]

Moondays Should Be Mindful – [Just Me]

It’s so important to have just one day completely stress free, but that’s not easy…like ever. Considering that many of us have been “grinding” so to speak either in the workforce or in school most of our lives, we can’t just say, “I’m relaxing now,” and boom! You’re chill AF. That’s not life. That’s not the brain. Giving ourselves a moment to pause and just be has to be a practice, just as…

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Why is it when I started building a relationship with Hecate I didn’t spiral into the world of classical studies, but when I’m getting to know Athena I’m suddenly studying Ancient Greek, following everything social media/internet wise related to classics studies (whether it be legit history or goofy memes), and anything about Athens I’m just consumed? I get it’s the connection and it’s important to know your deities and their associations…but this is a very, very strong pull. It feels like a deep dive into a whole other method of thinking. It’s nothing near romanticizing intellectualism. It’s an intellectual consumption…that I don’t think I have a word for.

My autodidact ass is NOT complaining though.

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