I know I’m already a John Boyega fan but I’ve never hesitated to say “hmmm no he’s wrong for this”. That being said.....I just think it’s funny how a white woman instigated a whoooole dragfest of him last night because she read one of his answers regarding online bullying as “shade” toward Kelly Marie Tran just because the INTERVIEWER mentioned her when, knowing how much he stood up for her and had said how much he loves and respects her previously and the fact that he ended the answer with ‘that’s my view on it’, one could easily extrapolate that he was speaking solely about himself and HIS experiences with anti-Blackness. I ALSO think the only reason people started taking it in bad faith right away, instead of even just saying “he probably just didn’t word this right” was because they had ALREADY spent two days “dragging” him for not rocking with The Last Jedi and were looking for more serious things to call him to the mat for. I saw people not hesitating to call him uppity, cocky, and saying he should never work again. And now that he’s been made to apologize, people are STILL not going to believe him, despite the fact that these non-Black people never even dragged Daisy Ridley, who literally dismissed her class and white privilege like an ass, and those who did stopped talking about it heavily after a day. And I’m not even in this goddamn fandom.

I just think that’s funny....

And the woman who did it has done something similar before and is a Reylo who thinks she oppressed. Read this thread by someone in the fandom who literally makes the same points I do.

Ugh, when has my spirit of discernment been wrong? I see right through people’s bullshit. My power.

I did post about this

What the baby could mean: Rey’s origins explained, flashbacks for any of the characters, perhaps Finn’s origin story

What rey/los want: oMG rEy iS prEgGers

Or could just be a baby. Just a baby.

There was a toddler in Rogue One

I wish we could go one (1) day without rey/lows expressing their misogyny and their lack of interest into the star wars saga or the characters that doesn’t revolve around Kylo’s dick, honestly.

Wow. So apparently Stephen Colbert has got bigoted Star Wars fans in a lather.

First, I’d like to acknowledge that although I’ve watched all but 1 Star Wars film in the entire franchise, I’ve never been a big Star Wars fan. I don’t dislike the franchise. Like I said, I’ve seen all but 1 of the films. But I wouldn’t say that I’m a part of the fandom.

With that said, I’m just now learning of how the lovely Kelly Marie Tran (who played Rose in The Last Jedi, for those who don’t know) was harassed off of Instagram due to racism, sexism and misogyny constantly being spewed at her by bigoted Star Wars fans. And I only learned this because I like to watch Colbert’s monologue throughout the week. 

Well, apparently Colbert called out the fuckery (in his own Colbert-ian way) and now there are reaction videos on YouTube lambasting Colbert for calling them sexist, racist trolls. Their argument it seems is that he’s attacking all Star Wars fans. Because, you know, if you’re a “real” SW fan, you’d be engaging in hateful rhetoric, bullying and prejudice online toward an actress of a franchise you love. If you’re not doing that, you must not be a fan.

It just trips me out how this world of geekdom/nerdom/social outcasts that the sci-fi/fantasy fandom community is supposed to represent is filled with the same level of masculine fragility, white supremacy and constant bombardment of harassment, bullying and ostracization that so many of the white males claimed to have suffered at the hands of the mainstream (read: non-geek) community for decades. 

A community that insists that they’ve been bullied, hurt, rejected and threatened for being different because they were nerds, geeks or oddballs, are so quick to take up the mantle of the bully themselves when they believe their opponent is “weaker,” inferior,” or “deserving.” And all too often, we see this play out against people of color, women, and women of color. At the end of the day, these white men (and I know it’s not all white men, so you don’t need to say it) don’t want to be respected like everyone else, they want to be in the same position of power that the people who supposedly hurt them are in. They want to do to others what the mainstream has done to them. And somehow, they think it will result in themselves being seeing as the Alpha or the protagonist. Ain’t that something?!

Whether it’s Kelly Marie Tran in Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Jada Pinkett in Gotham, Sonequa Martin-Green in Star Trek: Discovery, Leslie Jones in Ghostbusters, or Katie Leung in Harry Potter in the Goblet of Fire, let’s all admit that sci-fi/fantasy fans have a serious fucking problem with women of color. Especially women of color who they consider sexually undesirable. 

I know the problem exists for men of color too, but the shit the trolls – and let’s be honest – and actual fans throw at women of color in the nerd/geek world is essentially the same hateful tactics men (especially white men) have thrown at women of color in the mainstream world for centuries. And as women of color, we often feel like our concerns go unanswered or our pain unnoticed. 

So I’m glad that people are turning out for Kelly Marie Tran the same way they turned out for Leslie Jones. I’m happy to see here on Tumblr that they are some SW fans who are calling out this fuckery and shunning those hateful bigots, giving them no where to seek refuge for their online Klan meetings.

Because you’re right. These people are scum. Just like the haters of Star Trek: Discovery because it didn’t put a white male front and center. Just like the haters of Leslie Jones for just daring to exist. Just like the haters of Cho Chang because she kissed Harry Potter like it said to do in the script – and the book! (Seriously, I heard some white fans harassed Katie Leung in real life and sent her death threats. This was before the days of Twitter and Instagram.)

So please continue to show the world that us sci-fi/fantasy fans are not all bigots, hate-mongers and assholes. I know there are a lot of them (::cough:: comic book fans, you too. ::cough::), but just as we need to show the world that America isn’t the Tiki Torch Whites at Charlottesville, Va., we need to show the world that these trolls, bigots and haters are not who we are.

OK. I don’t feel like responding to this in a comment, so I’m going to respond to it in a reblog, as I believe it deserves to be addressed. I’m kind of tired at the moment, and it’s just easier to type this out on a desktop keyboard than on my phone.

So … regarding this comment on my blog post:

Where to begin …

To @harlequinn823 and others, if you’re interested:

I’m completely fine with Colbert’s video not addressing the harassment or fuckery that Boyega had to put up with even before the first reboot film came out. And I’ll tell you why in a minute, but first, to address your point about the fake trailer, if you go back and re-watch the trailer, Finn’s name isn’t included in the short list of “cool male characters” who get dropped into a pit.

The dialogue in the video is (listen from the 2:39 mark): 

Although I would’ve preferred for Colbert to include Finn as a part of his “cool” male lead characters list along with Kylo Ren and Poe Dameron, the reality is that a lot of SW fans (and casual fans) don’t see him as “cool.” They like him, but they don’t think he’s cool. I disagree with them, but I know I’m in the minority. So maybe that’s why Colbert didn’t include Finn’s name. I don’t know.

But since his omission from the fake trailer list is not the most salient issue in this discussion, I’ll move on. 

What I think is the most salient point is is that Colbert was addressing the current issue with Kelly Marie Tran being harassed off of her social media channels due to bigoted trolls and fans. Although Boyega has put up with a lot, he’s 1) never left social media, and 2) has had a lot of people defending him since the attacks began – and not just in the nerd community. People have been defending Boyega and calling out and mocking the racist hate he’s been receiving since the moment it started. There have been articles in the US and abroad addressing it, most written by members of the SW fandom, the mainstream pop culture news platforms, and members of the Black community in the US, Nigeria, and the UK.

So no, Colbert didn’t include Boyega in his call out on the bitchassness that has affected Boyega, but I don’t see that necessarily as a flaw. Boyega has been, and continues to be, defended to racist trolls. And Boyega is still active on Twitter and Instagram. Not as much on Twitter as he used to, but I believe that has more to do with him being busy with his new production company than avoiding dealing with the racism in the fanbase. (Also, I use Twitter less these days too because of all the constant angry rants or depressing news that bombards you every day, so I can’t judge him for that.)

Boyega has had people stand by him. And his absence from Colbert’s monologue on this issue – that’s specifically about Kelly Marie Tran – isn’t a sign that Colbert doesn’t stand by him too. Instead, it’s a sign that he chose to focus on an issue that is currently hurting this specific woman. I’m not going to find fault with Colbert for that. 

Also, I’m a little disappointed with all this “What about John Boyega?” and “What about Jake Lloyd?” commentary I’ve been seeing. Are we that fucking anesthesized to the pain of women of color that we can’t give them their due when they’re hurting and have people come together to address why that’s wrong? Do we have to drag men into it because the notion of us caring about an Asian-American woman’s unnecessary pain seems so foreign to us? Women of color so rarely get to receive this type of attention when they’re attacked by men, and actually see people take the woman’s side. And it’s even more rare for a women of Asian descent.

Can we have this moment be about Kelly Marie?

I adore Boyega. That’s my nerd. But this isn’t a moment about him. Sure, we can reference the bigotry that has affected his life in this particular fandom, but it shouldn’t take the spotlight from what’s happened and happening to KMT.

But that’s just my 2 cents.

Colbert doesn’t defend John. When John was getting a ton of racist shit after the TFA trailer came out, Colbert did a segment making fun of Fans complaining about Kylo’s lightsaber. It’s revisionism to say that John had the same level of defense from commentators, media and official sources. Abrams didn’t say anything about John’s harassment until a year later.

I know Finn wasn’t part of the pit part – as he should not have been. But the video’s one acknowledgement of fandom’s antiblack racism was Porgs with a Black Lives Matter sign. Not Finn as the male lead, which pissed off the people they were targeting just as much as having woman leads.

Which suggests it was more about getting feminist applause than actually dealing with an issue that DOES go beyond Kelly. By the logic that it’s all about Kelly and only Kelly, the video shouldn’t have highlighted other women like Rey and Holdo who have also faced fandom misogyny.

Disney is riding a narrative right now that says the only reason to dislike TLJ is if you’re a bigoted, misogynistic manbaby, and this fits that narrative without bringing, you know, the “volatility” of blackness into it.

I support Kelly Marie Tran. Colbert can suck it.

People who say they defend Asians while denigrating and ignoring Black people and other POCs can fuck all the way off. The hypocrites who claim to care about racism while ignoring antiblack racism are very much included. That’s missing the whole damned point and it’s worse than useless. If you treat antiblack racism like business as usual because Black people are “strong” and can “take it” or some such shit, if you don’t even see it happening and only go uwu poor dear over people you deem worthy of protection, then you are part of the problem.

star wars is dead but i love finn so fucking much

I swear to god I’m deleting this entire site

And regularly tell the child they are nothing except to you

@aryainwinterfell

I hope anon is wrong, too. The parts about the marriage being unhappy and filled with strife smells of Reylo fanwank, too. And I thought the dice were from his game with Lando and it would be crappy to erase that just to insert Qi’Ra. And I’m with you on being forced to defend my NoTP, which is a constant mood these days 😂

I don’t know a Star Wars I only know a Marvel .

I’m not even a supporter of the MCU, I only like five of their films, but I give credit where credit is due.

Marvel has a clear and thought out plan and you can see that they actually do take what the fan say into regard. Whether or not I am the biggest fan of their movies doesn’t matter, I will congratulate them on their hard work.

Lucas films has to spent their time since December mocking and insulting half their fan base. I have zero respect.

Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson can choke

You don’t Criticize and mock your Fanbase for caring about the characters from the original trilogy, calling them nostalgic losers and then tell them to go see a movie that’s only appeal is built out of nostalgia.

Nah op, the MCU may be trash especially after IW, but it's still better than the unprofessional, hypocritical shitshow that is LF. Also look at you so eager to put down BP's outperforming TLJ uwu uwu

Can someone explain to me why it’s necessary to introduce a new character who suddenly was the love of Han’s life instead of Leia??? I wait …

Because Lucas Films was too afraid to give Lando the lead role and they don’t believe in interracial couples as leads.

I would have been totally invested in Donald Glover playing a young Lando, since we know next to nothing about, and watching him turn from young flyboy, to gambling smuggler to eventual leader in an epic character driven trilogy.

Anyway yeah it’s cus LS needs a female lead. She’ll probably die since Han NEVER mentions her in all of future canon.

I wish someone had told LF that there can be a female lead that Han DOESNT have a romance with … but then they would’ve probably peed their pants bc the fandom might interpret Han’s and Lando’s interactions as gay… 🙄🙄

Watch the same fandom that screams "Finn and Rey don't have to be romantic to be important to each other!!! Friendship is awesome gurl pwr!!!" stan the fuck out of this ridiculous retcon ship.

the thing with white people protecting things like hetalia or kpop or snk or south park is theyll defend it to their dying breath because

1. their token asian/black/brown friend says its okay, so clearly that makes it fine

2. since the racism doesnt affect them personally they didnt know that it could hurt other people

3. “im autistic and yellowface is actually my special interest so youre being ableist lmao”

white people always forget that them being not OVERTLY racist doesnt mean theyre suddenly incapable of microaggressions and being racist to poc as a whole. like just because youve never called me a racial slur or broken my jaw doesnt mean youre magically cured of being racist

you are encouraged to reblog this. white people dont add any commentary, even in the tags. i dont wanna hear it

A Korean-Japanese biracial person here. Hetalia and SnK are 100% absolutely overtly racist toward Koreans and Chinese folks. It’s just not overtly racist in Western eyes. K-Pop is overtly racist (it’s mired in anti-blackness) and shamefully appropriative (from the same black people K-pop artists tend to absolutely spread hatred for), which is perhaps the greatest shame in one of only Korea’s  form of modern popular culture to have such a global foothold. White people just have a very high standard on what’s overtly racist.

Can you explain to me how the entirety of kpop is overtly racist and appropriative. Specifically how it’s anti-black?

I’m really just scratching the surface here…

Tumblr won’t even let me link more videos but like google is free… lmao…………

What else is there to say apart from the you can’t pick and choose parts of black culture to incorporate into your music while simultaneously dehumanizing and disrespecting them. 

REBLOGGING THISSSSSS

watching that video of john tearing up when talking about the day he got cast in star wars and then remembering how horribly lucasfilm treats finn, how rian johnson treated finn like shit in tlj, how finn is constantly shoved aside and ignored in advertising and merchandise, how lucasfilm has 0 respect for john whatsoever, it makes me seethe with anger. john is too good for that shit company and i will always hate lucasfilm for how they’ve treated finn and john

likes:

• finn from star wars

dislikes:

• star wars

black panther, a wrinkle in time, and pacific rim uprising will heal me from star wars being ruined and destroyed 

🚫⭐️🎬📢👴🏻🚫 spell to get lucasfilm to take rian johnson’s trilogy away from him after tlj fan response 🚫⭐️🎬📢👴🏻🚫

likes charge, reblogs cast

They’re really going with this

I cant believe

ARE YALL FUCKING KIDDING ME?? Oh my god

He’s killed people rian. He killed his dad. Like what movie did you watch

Also not even giving a fuck about Kyle, but like I’ve hated this rhetoric that’s all about Leia not caring about her son. Leia grew up with two loving parents who were ripped from her at an early age. And then she found out that her biological father was one of the worst people in the galaxy, but she also found a loving twin brother.

What I’m saying is, if there’s any people in the galaxy who would understand the importance of family and sticking together, Leia would be one of them. Just because Leia believes so strongly in the Alliance, doesn’t mean that she would ever just forget about or neglecy her son. Leia would look at him and yeah sure maybe see the fear of Vader, but she’d also see Bail and Breha, and the fact that her parents aren’t here to see their grandchild, that she never got to tell them about the little things, about Han, about Luke. Leia doesn’t have to be a bad mother just because she’s a badass general.

Especially after PLOA, which takes care to point out that Bail and Breha always put family first despite both of them having incredibly busy careers and Bail living off planet half the time and Leia thinking about how close she was to her parents, it’d make no sense that she wouldn’t want the same for her son. Leia’s whole character arc in ROTJ is putting Han above the Rebellion by leaving it during a dire time to rescue the love of her life, it’s like JJ et al just want to believe that Leia remained the same 100% duty driven princess she was in ANH and never changed, just as Han remained the same selfish smuggler he was at the beginning of ANH and never evolved from that.

Don’t even get me started on the anti feminist BS that Leia had a career, therefore she was a terrible mother. Besides, in the new canon Han doesn’t even really get involved with the New Republic and starts setting up a shipping business after Ben is born.

Excellent points. Y’know, if all Driver, Johnson, and crew have is that Kyle “felt his parents put the New Republic before him”. That just shows him to be completely narcissistic, selfish, and incapable of empathy from a young age. It’s not all about you, Kyle.

What gets me is the assumption that we’ll all relate to this whiny pissbaby. Who the hell had a perfect childhood? No one I know. Yet Kylo’s self-pity is meant to resonate with us? People who fetishize their own pain as a means to act out in histrionic, destructive and poisonous ways make my skin crawl. 

I agree with all of the above, and additionally it bothers me that the original heroes are being purposefully portrayed in negative ways that completely contradict their character arcs for the sake of the Kylo Ren plot, yes, but also elsewhere in the new films.

Like, Han, Luke, and Leia have been the sacrificial lambs. It doesn’t matter that the fact that Han and Leia repeatedly and consistently put the well-being of those closest to them over the rebellion—that even after her planet blows up and she has the weight of the rebellion and the entire galaxy resting on her shoulders, Leia still takes the time to comfort Luke over the loss of Obi-Wan, that she leaves the rebellion and risks her life to rescue Han because he is her priority, that Han’s literal entire story in ESB is being attentive to Leia and putting her above all else and even, yes, saving her from herself when she’s pushing it too far with the Alliance. Doesn’t matter that it’s completely out of character for them to be neglectful to their child or be bad parents or put the rebellion before their loved ones. Doesn’t matter that it’s the most sexist crap ever to insinuate that Leia, who is a feminist icon and triumph and role model for so many girls, couldn’t have balanced a family and a career. Doesn’t matter that it is literally the exact opposite of the entirety of Han Solo’s arc to characterize him as a deadbeat smuggler unable to commit to a family or settle down. It doesn’t matter that it retroactively paints their characters—who are the original heroes of Star Wars and representative of goodness and justice and love in the story—in a negative light.

All that matters is that it benefits their Kylo Ren endgame to twist things that way, no matter how unsupported it is by the source material or inconsistent with the purpose of the real story it is.

The same can be said about Luke, who I’ve now been reading apparently “put too much pressure” on his nephew and tried to make him into the new chosen one and evidently did to him what was done to Anakin in the prequels. It doesn’t matter that the entire point of Luke’s character in the original story is that he sees the error in his Jedi Masters’ ways and that he doesn’t repeat them. It doesn’t matter that Luke’s journey as a Jedi is culminated by his ability to understand the TRUE role of the Jedi and the Force, and the fact that he has the wisdom and faith not to make the mistakes of Yoda and Obi-Wan. If that entire component of the story needs to be swept under the rug for the sake of giving Kylo Ren a Relateable BackstoryTM, then they are absolutely willing to have Luke become Obi-Wan 2.0 even though it makes no sense whatsoever and even though it’s incompatible with the original six-film saga. Doesn’t matter that it is against the entire point of Luke Skywalker.

The same can be said for his sudden apparent lack of faith in the Force, his conviction that the Jedi should end, and the fact that he walked out on his family and the galaxy. This is complete and total character assassination for him, just as Han leaving Leia, doing nothing about his son, and not caring about the galaxy and reverting to swindling was character assassination. Hermit Luke who has lost faith in the Jedi serves Rey and makes her look better so that she can be the hero, so that she can make him see the truth, so that she can do the exact same thing that Luke already did with Yoda and Obi-Wan, and that’s all that matters now.

The integrity of the original characters does not matter to Rian Johnson or JJ Abrams or Kathleen Kennedy. Consistency with the original story doesn’t matter. They don’t even care if they make the protagonists and heroes of Star Wars look bad. They don’t care that it does injustice to the characters who MADE Star Wars, the characters who are the entire reason that Star Wars is a success, the characters who people care about. They don’t care how insulting it is to the fans—as though that kind of character assassination and inconsistency would go over our heads so long as there were enough Porgs and flashy battle scenes to distract us. They don’t care how insulting it is to suggest that we would sympathize with the man who murdered Han Solo and became a space fascist. All they care about is their own agenda, and they don’t care what they have to do to the original characters to get there.

It is disgusting, tbh.

^^^^ THIS

I’ve just realized that according to the logic of antis, George Lucas is a pedophile (so far as I know, he’s actually not).

I mean, he aged up Anakin (9) and Padme (14) by ten years for Attack of the Clones so they could be shipped.

Why have I seen no discourse about this? :P

And for those who think those headlines might just be clickbait, here’s the relevant excerpt from the Escapist Magazine article:

(Below a cut because YIKES!)

Keep reading

…anyway I’m still watching Star Wars, I’m tired of pedophilia callouts especially when the article you sourced doesn’t directly or remotely help you with your argument

Also that source is a fucking FORUM (AKA not reliable at all)

Even if he was a pedophile (yeah I’d be ashamed as hell, but it’s not my business and it’s certainly not anyone else’s)

This also happens to be a really bad time to call yet ANOTHER male actor/director out since like half of the accusations made after this month began are possibly fake

It’s really suspicious that all these accusations are all coming out at one time

There is no argument. Those are FACTS. And that FORUM links to the ARTICLE. There are also MULTIPLE SOURCES. Also, here is the link to the official transcript where the damning conversation occurs: http://maddogmovies.com/almost/scripts/raidersstoryconference1978.pdf

Also, the actual conversation:

@mask-of-prime

Mate, buddy. That shit is from freaking 2009! It’s not new. It’s not “just coming out”. It’s been know for years.

And no one says you have to stop watching Star Wars. (Especially as George isn’t even involved anymore) But boy did you get passive-aggressive defensive fast.

Though I really wonder how anyone could have missed that George was and is a major creep.