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I'm also a 40-year-old Korean mom, she/her, culturally Christian atheist. This is a multifandom and multipurpose blog including Star Trek, Avatar: The Last Airbender, She-Ra, writing stuff, politics, and more. Header by knight-in-dull-tinfoil depicts a secretary bird stomping a rattlesnake above the caption "Tread on them lots, actually."
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Reylos: Who says we devalue Finn and Rey’s relationship? We love their awesome friendship :)))

Also reylos: Rey is surrounded by people who don’t UNDERSTAND her she is DESPERATELY unhappy without His Magnificence Prince Ben who is the one (1) person who ever understood her or cared about her she is forever incomplete without King Ben the First of His Name no one could compare to the bond they share absolutely no one-

FIRST OF HIS NAME BAHAHAHAHA I MEAN MIGHT AS WELL BE SINCE YOU NEVER HEAR REYLOS MENTION BEN KENOBI

Ever since it turned out Rey Kenobi was a bust, that is. Old Ben got a lot of mention back when they were trying to give Rey a special bloodline of her own. Reylows like to pretend they were always pro-Rey Random and loved the empowerment of her being from no special lineage, but that's revisionist and many were just as elitist about Rey as they are about Ben.

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pros of finnrey becoming canon:

  • canon interracial couple! in star wars!
  • endless racist fanboy screaming
  • inverted gender roles - rough bruiser girl, kind gentle boy
  • lots of love and respect
  • it’d just be adorable okay

pros of stormpilot becoming canon:

  • canon gay interracial couple! in star wars!
  • endless jacket-sharing jokes
  • the gays would probably not die, which is always nice
  • also extremely adorable

pros of reylo becoming canon:

  • there aren’t any

As a damerey shipper, I agree with this

I’m a Finnnrey shipper, but I’d rather see Damrey happen than Reylo.

  • Interracial couple
  • Positive and healthy relationship
  • Piloting jokes for days
  • The han/luke fans get their outlet
  • They might still get some Finn love

Damrey is like Rey Kenobi or Rey Solo. We different but we love y’all!

Damerey is partly like Rey Kenobi - there were basically no true hints for Rey Kenobi anywhere but people wanted it bc they love Obi Wan or didn’t want Rey to be related to the Skywalkers to avoid incest in R*ylo. Damerey is basically a crack ship for people who either like both characters, have the hots for Oscar and don’t want the gay, can’t imagine Finnrey due to antiblackness… and it would be LF‘s way to claim they aren’t racist bc they wrote an interracial relationship that wouldn’t even be considered one in Europe for instance … so Damerey is the easy and biased way out … mixed with some antiblackness, homophobia and hot Latino stereotypes for many shippers… while Rey Kenobi was the biased and less impactful version of Rey Skywalker/Rey Solo … oops..

Is Damerey a lot better than R*ylo? Of course but then do you know how low the bar is here???

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Pretty much, yeah. Doomerey is one of those things that are cool in theory but make no canon sense and only look good in comparison to the abyss that is Reylow.

Also while there’s no harm in enjoying it as a fanon ship, it’s been spoiled for me because of jerks who keep being anti Finnrey and went so far as to send me and other Finnrey shippers weird passive-aggressive asks about how their ship is already canon and how Rey and Poe’s 10-second greeting trumps everything that happened between Finn and Rey. Not to mention the asshats who take over Finnrey and JediStormPilot posts and turn them into Doomerey, excluding Finn.

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Anonymous asked:

Casual SW fan here. Why was Rey Kenobi such a hated theory? I have no horse in this race so I’m just curious.

Leaving aside the fact that it was like catnip to a Certain Group of Fans That Shall Not Be Named, I disliked its lack of emotional resonance. Obi-Wan Kenobi died over 30 years ago in story time by this point in the franchise and, more importantly, he wasn’t important enough in TFA enough for him as Rey’s grandfather to be emotionally satisfying. Her parents would have to be whole new characters or characters from The Clone Wars unfamiliar to the general moviegoing audience, and introducing them would have taken screen time. Maybe @applepiewithextrafreedom could provide more insight, since their comment on hating Reynobi is what I reblogged.

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@lj-writes  for your Anon.

it served no purpose to the story in any way shape or form. we love him but it makes no fucking sense and is actually detrimental to obi-wans character. this is a man who watched his adoptive brother get torn apart by the internal conflict between the dark side and the light and you mean to argue that shortly after watching someone who he loved fall the way he did he was going to risk getting attached to someone. did he not learn anything from watching anakin die?

look, it makes sense for luke because luke wasnt there. luke didnt see anakin when he was burning up on mustafar so to luke the most important thing was his friends and thats when he proved that attachments dont have to be a death sentence. but this was LUKE. up until anakin was redeemed by luke obi-wan didnt believe it was possible. that was why he was so afraid for luke when luke tells him hes going to abandon his training and go to bespin to save han and leia.  “i dont want to lose you to the emperor like i lost your father”. it doesnt make any sense if obi-wan is secretly hiding a wife and child somewhere. obi-wan is an old school jedi. hes very by the book kind of guy. its completely unlike him and i would hate to see obi-wan throw the book out the window. thats not who he is, he’s not like anakin, and thats why i like him.

back to the pointlessness of such a reveal. how does that affect rey?

answer: it doesnt. rey doesnt care that her parent is the child of some jedi who died 34 years ago. its not like obi-wan is anakin. obi-wan was a great jedi but he wasnt exceptionally powerful or anything like that. he was pretty average. what made obi-wan a good jedi were his values. he was very by the book and followed the rules but if he didnt feel comfortable doing something he felt was immoral he would speak up and he wielded his power responsibly. this is why he was a great jedi. not because he has raw power like anakin. anakin had raw power and he was the worst jedi. he single handedly destroyed the jedi order. so yeah it affects rey in NO way that obi-wan is her relative. its pure fan service and requires the movies to do too much leg work like introducing the actual parents as well as telling us who obi-wans wife was. saying hey she appeared in some TV show the general audience hasnt seen isnt going to work. when the audience walks into the movie theater they arent going to hand them a CLIFFNOTES guide to the expanded universe so you can understand who the fuck Satine was. the reason why reysky matters is because shes actually meeting luke (A SKYWALKER) and she was attacked by his nephew (A SKYWALKER) who worships his dead grandfather (A SKYWALKER) and she is now doing his sister’s bidding (A SKYWALKER). this family is taking over her life. why should some random girl work to fix this family’s issues? because shes not random. shes one of them. they are her family.

one of the more minor reasons i hated it was because a lot (not all) reylos completely latched onto this theory as an excuse to deny reysky because it would be incest for rey and kylo to be related. they completely ruined this theory for a lot of people.

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Turns out that the Economics of Storytelling work well for newcomers to the Star Wars franchise. My roommate is probably drawn to Rey Solo as a parentage theory not just because I like it, but also because then she knows everyone in the story: Rey’s father, mother, and brother were all there onscreen in TFA, and Rey interacted with all of them. 

No doubt the Star Wars franchise wants new fans; making the storyline comprehensible to them pushes Rey Solo theory into the lead. 

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Rey Kenobi theory... you mean with the grandfather who showed up in just one movie which she hasn't seen yet, involving his love affair with another character from an animated series that 95% of the moviegoing audience will never see, and his fathering a child who appears in another animated series with an even smaller viewership? I'm sure that went over well.

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One thing that’s been really bugging me about the Rey Kenobi vs Rey Skywalker debate and the way it gets used in shipping is this persistant “ew cousins” attitude. I mean I get that many people in fandom come from cultures where cousin marriage is taboo, but this is not true for much of the world. In some cultures, first cousin marriage is outright preferred. There are a lot of reasons not to ship R*ylo, but “They’re probably cousins, it’s practically incest, you sickos” really isn’t a good one. And then on the other side we’ve got R*ylos taking for granted that first cousin relationships are disgusting and answering with theories for how they might not be cousins. It’s just, do any of you realize you’re shitting on the millions of people for whom first cousin marriages are not taboo, and are either part of one or the result of one or both?

With respect…I’d just like to point out here that cousin relationships are not only taboo, but illegal in many places because of the genetic damage they cause (nevermind the context of family power dynamics, abuse, overwhelmingly sexist traditions, etc.), and would argue that “respect for culture” becomes a moot point when talking about smthg so incontrovertibly unhealthy.
You know a lot of those non taboo cousin marriages you’re talking about are arranged, and the young women have no say on who they will marry. And in America, where most of the creators of the SW sequel trilogy come from, cousin marriages are the butt of jokes and definitely culturally taboo regardless of their legal status in individual states.

[Image of an anonymous ask with the text:

“I’ve seen the comments in your post about first cousin marriages, and I was a little baffled that people seem to think that the only places where it’s not taboo are deeply sexist and the marriages are forced. Here in Brazil, it’s allowed and it’s not a taboo, and the marriages are definetlely not forced or abusive. And about the “genetic damage”… well, it only increases the chances of genetic deseases, but nothing is set in stone.“]

The cultures that permit or favor cousin marriage are wide ranging and are not confined to those that practice forced marriage.  As the above anon says, cousin marriage is not taboo in much of Latin America, as well as among many Pacific Island societies, many African societies, most of the Muslim world, among many of the Jewish sub-ethicities, and in many other societies.  It accounts for more than 10% of all marriages globally.  Coerced cousin marriages do of course take place, just as there are coerced exogamous marriage.  Cousin marriage is not inherently abusive or coercive and indeed many are loving and happy.

As far as genetics goes, first cousin marriages do lead to more birth defects, but the effect is fairly minimal, the equivalent of having children in your forties.  Repeated cousin marriage in the same family increases this genetic risk, but so does endogamous marriage more generally, and we have no similar taboo or laws against Amish people marrying within their own community, or Jewish people marrying within ours.  The taboos against cousin marriage in the West (and laws in parts of the US) are only relatively recent and date back to the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, when the study of inheritance was in its infancy, and subsequent scientific studies have not borne out the fears that led to those laws.

In short, cousin marriage is a cultural taboo in certain parts of the world.  It is not a universal taboo, nor is it reflective of any great scientific or moral truth.  Marrying a cousin might not be something I ever want to do, but I do think that we should acknowledge that this taboo is an artifact of modern Western culture and society rather than something universal or objectively wrong.

As for the cultural context of the Star Wars movies, I agree, it’s highly unlikely we will see a cousin marriage featured in a Star Wars movie.  However, there is a massive difference between, “We aren’t likely to see a pair of cousins in a romantic relationship in the Star Wars movies, because they are written by Westerners for a primarily Western audience, and the Western taboos against cousin relationships are going to be reflected,” and “Cousin marriage is horrible and disgusting, and you should be ashamed for thinking otherwise.”

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