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@lj-writes / lj-writes.tumblr.com

I'm also a 40-year-old Korean mom, she/her, culturally Christian atheist. This is a multifandom and multipurpose blog including Star Trek, Avatar: The Last Airbender, She-Ra, writing stuff, politics, and more. Header by knight-in-dull-tinfoil depicts a secretary bird stomping a rattlesnake above the caption "Tread on them lots, actually."
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@superheroverthinking please read the interview and not one line GQ pulled. He was talking about the boycotts over TFA because of him and ONLY HIM. KMT was not in TFA. He acknowledged that she wasn't treated well either in the interview.

Also it's worth noting that KMT has gotten far more support from fans, the media and DLF itself when racism was directed towards her than John Boyega ever did. Read the article and learn about how he had to put on a brave face and laugh at the haters (unlike KMT he wasn't expected to feel pain). Yes, others have experienced racism, but antiblackbess is different. I and others have been harassed for calling out racism against John Boyega. You're pretty safe from that if you call out racism against KMT. They're both bad, but they're not the same.

ETA: There's also a particular brand of racism with KMT where she is used as cover for racism against JB by fans and journalists, and that's another conversation that gets swept under the rug.

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LucasFilm, fandom, every commentator: I support Kelly Marie Tran!! I don't stay silent in the face of racism!!!!11one

The same people when John Boyega is subjected to antiblack abuse: *crickets*

Spare my Asian ass this constant use of "but Kellyyyyy D:" to derail any discussion of fandom & industry antiblack racism. She deserves better than that. John and Black fans deserved so much better.

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I’m tired

Finn: Kills Stormtroopers to escape enslavement and defend the lives of himself and others

Reylows: Murderer and traitor, can’t relate

Kylo Ren: Slaughters an entire village after capturing and disarming them in a direct callback to the Holocaust

Reylows: Wow... so conflicted... so dramatique... anyway the villagers were ~enemy combatants~ who had the gall to try to defend themselves so they deserved to be summarily executed right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Killing them was an act of mercy, actually. Everyone is SW is a murderer sweetie, deal with it, and anyway it’s wizards in space nothing is literal it’s a movie FoR kIdS wHy sO SeRIouS

Finn: Takes Rey’s hand trying to save her life

Reylows: Sexual harassment! Rapist! White knight! 😤

Kylo Ren: Assaults Rey, abducts her, tortures her, and manipulates her

Reylows: Bridal carry 😍 death and the maiden ❤️ sooooo kinky 😳 soft boi didn’t even beat her bloody or anything omg the kindness 🙌 mythology archetypes respects her as an equal feminist bae endgame romance uwu anyway strong women(TM) can’t be abused and that’s the tea ☕️

Finn: Tells one (1) lie for his own safety and out of undeserved shame at his abuse & enslavement

Reylows: He’s a lying liar who lied to Rey and any attraction she might have had was based on a lie 😠 misogynist 😡

Kylo Ren: Gives her an account of her abandonment that blatantly contradicts her Force vision, pins the death of Snoke on Rey

Reylows: Anyway Kylo would never lie to Rey because UNLIKE A CERTAIN WHITE KNIGHT he respects her 😎

Finn: Misses Rey and tries to protect her because they are friends

Reylows: Scary stalker! 😱 He needs to overcome his unhealthy obsession with her, because despite our deciding that he is damaged goods and disqualified from a romance with Rey he can magically have a healthy relationship with Literally Anyone Else ☺️ I am v smart

Kylo Ren: Spends an entire movie brushing off Rey’s pain, gaslighting her into thinking she can’t have a legitimate grievance with him because she’s Too Crazy from her abandonment issues, and manipulating her into being tortured and risking her life for his power grab before he negs her and decides to kill her for not complying with his demands

Reylows: Omg... true love... so tragic... so romantic... our ship is canon 😭 suck it haters 😜 Ben is the HERO and PROTAGONIST of this trilogy and he will be REDEEMED and take his RIGHTFUL PLACE as the Skywalker and Rey will realize her destiny of having his Skywalker babies!!!

Rey: Repeatedly takes Finn’s hand, starts healing from lifelong trauma when he came back for her, faces her fear of the Skywalker lightsaber to protect him, lies on top of his lifeless form weeping, spends an entire movie missing him and asking about him, and has a joyous and heartwarming reunion with him

Reylows:

Reylows: Anyway Rey is lonely as hell and nobody understands her, Ben was the first one to show her human touch and kindness, Ben came back for her, and unless she gets with Ben she’ll be aloooone foreverrrr

Rey: Leaves Kylo Ren to get blown up twice in two movies, repeatedly risks her life to be at Finn and the Resistance’s side

Reylows: She thinks about Ben all the time he is the most important person in her life

Reylows: :)

Reylows: Trust me, I'm an English major

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i believe in ship and let ship. i get liking characters who aren’t good people and wanting to explore why they are that way, what they might do, etc. but there really are some kylo stans out there who don’t want to explore his canon personality and motivations and it always just looks like

and both of these characters deserve better than that

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Yeah, I don't even recognize woobie Ben Sowwo uwu as the selfish, entitled, violent, manipulative, dangerous, and dumbass as hell tbh villain I know and love. Why do they even call themselves fans of the character when he's so transparently a pale and limp imitation of a completely different character?

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Tumblr:  We want complex villains!  Tumblr:  But they can’t do anything villainous or complex ever. 

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My favorite quote on this is Lemony Snickett when a school district banned his book due to the marriage plot by the villain.

He merely responded

“I’m sorry, but I’m at a loss on how to write a villain that doesn’t do villainous things.”

More like…

Tumblr: We want complex villains! Series: -creates complex villains who, while complex, are unambiguously villainous- Tumblr: [Villain] is SO. PURE. And if you don’t like them, you’re a [insert bigot type of choice] who needs to die. Series: -creates a hero who has maybe made a couple mistakes throughout their life like a normal human being, but is overwhelmingly kind and caring otherwise- Tumblr: This character is toxic and problematic and in this essay I will

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Protect platonic male/female friendships at all costs.

Write them. Read about them. Demand them. Decide the Harry and Sally law of “all male/female friendships will become romantic” is a bunch of bull and kick it to the curb.

Screw the guy getting with his girl best friend being the end of every romantic comedy. Have the guy go to his friend for advice. Have the girl tell him when he screws up. Have them sitting on the porch when the sun sets, talking about their day. Have them hug and laugh, and shout for joy, and never feel pressured to bring them in for that expected kiss.

Not all soulmates are romantic. We should stop acting like it.

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Close friendships between men and women does happen in fiction often enough these days, but the relationships between heterosexual characters that people demand to remain chaste and pure are also often between people of two separate races so… uh… that’s its’ own problem

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Max and Furiosa, canonical platonic friends whose growing trust and friendship completed their respective character arcs: Biggest ship in the Mad Max franchise

Finn and Rey, canonical friends who have shown attraction to each other and had broad hints dropped about their romantic potential: Lags behind white ships in popularity, Finn's actor John Boyega so sick of being mocked for his character's "friendzoning" that he tweeted about it and publicly supported canon Finnrey--and got mocked some more for it

Rey and Kylo Ren, canonical enemies whose interactions consist of torture, violence, and manipulation: Wildly popular ship with obsessive fans who fervently believe their ship is canon and "Ben" is the true male lead of the sequel trilogy

Glimmer and Bow in the new She-Ra, canonically such close friends that Glimmer's mother and aunt love Bow and Glimmer was jealous when he went to a dance with someone else, with major plot consequences: RARELY get content together featuring their relationship front and center, shippy or otherwise

So on the occasions that platonic male-female friendships do happen in media, fandom at large consistently fantasizes canonical male-female friends (or even those who are nowhere near being friends) as romantic couples, provided they fit a certain aesthetic. Meanwhile fandom also uses the valid call for male-female friendships in media as a disingenuous way to dismiss relationships between characters of different races, particularly when one of them is Black.

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Seriously, am I going blind or something? I totally understand concern that Finn and/or Poe could be sidelined but I’m not seeing ANYTHING in that leak that says that. It doesn’t even say anything about Finn or Poe period. I even checked the user’s comment and post history to see if they’d said anything about that elsewhere and nope. Why are so many people saying this?

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Because there are set pics of Finn and Poe, and the majority of the fandom can’t fathom that any scenes with Finn and Poe can possibly be anything but an unimportant side story.

People saying this believe Kylo Ren is the real protagonist and Rey is his love interest (Rian Johnson instigated that belief, but TLJ doesn’t establish or set that up – it ultimately does the opposite). They believe epIX is going to revolve around a Kylo and Rey romance, that that will be the primary central plot, and any other arcs are little b plots.

In fact, the fact that all of the sneak peeks and set leaks have been about Finn only makes them believe that harder. Cause Kylo is so special he can’t be seen, whereas Finn (in their brains) can be shown because, and this makes perfect sense to them, he doesn’t matter.

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I mean if Finn hadn't been in any of the set leaks they would never say it's because he's too important, but rather because he's a bit character like they'd always thought. The double standards and circular logic are obvious here.

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Heyyy my fellow anti antis, can we chat?

Sometimes, it’s good to criticize media. It’s good to look at it and say “hey this is messed up in ways that aren’t okay.” Sometimes critics have valid points. That’s fine, that’s okay.

What isn’t okay, and what antis regularly do, is attack people for liking things when they’ve found something wrong with it, and often that something wrong isn’t even actually something wrong but something they were reaching at to be wrong, and sometimes they’re only doing it to invalidate whatever they don’t like.

Doing the opposite of what antis do, which is shut down any and all criticism ever, is not the solution to this, and every now and then I catch y’all doing it. You’re so wound up over antis that you can’t allow reasonable critiques, and that’s not good.

Please keep in mind that the problem with antis is that they invent reasons for things to be bad, blow minor things out of proportion to make them look worse (or bad at all), and then viciously attack anyone who engages with it in ways they don’t approve of. The problem is not that they criticize it at all.

I’m not saying this as a judgement on anti-antis as a whole. I don’t think of this as something that makes all anti-antis terrible and bad. I think you’re all reasonable people who’ve been stuck dealing with unreasonable people for way too long. But sometimes you need to take a step back and really look at what you’re reacting to for what it is.

This is so valid because literally earlier today I saw some white anti antis attack a woc just because she said fandom spaces are full of racism, which is a fucking fact. They were twisting her words and even going as far as accusing her of using alt right dog whistles and one white user even said that she’s the reason good conversations about racism don’t happen, like that would actually be a woc’s fault and not racists’ fault lmao. It’s fine to disagree or whatever but to say those things to a black woman is fucking disgusting and unnecessary and it isn’t the first time I’ve seen fucked up racist bullshit from that side of shipping discourse. It’s shit like that that makes me reject calling myself an anti anti. I agree with what 99% of y’all think but y’all literally make me feel unsafe based on the behavior I’ve observed from y’all.

Just because someone has criticism about fandom spaces or your side of the discourse, that doesn’t mean they’re an anti or misogynistic/homophobic/or what ever other labels y’all hurl at people for daring to think fandom isn’t perfect. Y’all are alienating people that would otherwise be on your side because of your behavior. Please do better.

For the record, this is the post diskhorsedudes is referring to that got so many anti-antis riled up

(Gonna mention @diversehighfantasy since I’m posting screenshots of their post)

I don’t think they’re saying shipping communities deserve to be taken down because of racism but rather that there is racism in fandom spaces that needs to be addressed and that we shouldn’t treat them like they’re entirely good and pure. It’s a criticism on a common criticism.

The responses they got seemed to be people operating under the assumption that OP meant “fandom is racist, destroy it all, the purge is a good thing,” which then included vicious attacks, including “so you hate adult women?,” “this is why we can’t talk about racism” (OP is a woc), and “so fandom is worse than Nazis?”. None of which are what I believe OP was trying to say. Notice that OP didn’t even mention Nazis. Just racists.

Whether you agree with the OP is up to you, but you gotta know what OP is trying to say in the first place. If you think the way I’ve read what diversehighfantasy said isn’t what they meant, I’d love to hear what you think they meant. Especially if you’re diversehighfantasy themselves. After all, maybe I’m just too heavily inclined to see the best in people. But with what I think they were trying to say in mind vs what other people are responding with, i think we all need to take a step back and read it again.

Yes, that’s what I said, and what I meant. The glorification part was a reference to publications like Glamour and Slate tweeting about Tumblr ruining the sanctity of fandom as a safe place for women. (It’s not a safe place for women if it’s not safe for Black women).

Then I see fandom people who ordinarily try to shut down talking about race saying Tumblr ignores racism. Which is true, but it’s more than a little lacking in self awareness to take a stand for racism while ignoring the fact that fandom is full if it.

One of the your responses pointed out that I specifically compared neo Nazis to fandom.

This is going to be uncomfortable. I’ll say it again, I have had neo Nazis come at me, usually in a mocking way. But in my experience blogging about fandom racism, the harassment, campaigns to take me down and blatant lies about me have been from women in fandom. That’s a fact of my Tumblr experience. I WISH it was so neat and tidy that I only got harassed by male neo Nazis. It would be a lot easier. I’d get a lot more support and sympathy, for sure. But that’s not my experience on Tumblr, and if that upsets people, attacking the messenger doesn’t make it not true.

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@bai-xue-lives “dogwhistles” lmaoo. I don’t do dogwhistles, that’s why yall so mad.

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Did @bai-xue-lives srsly use a word that denotes racist signaling and use it against a Black woman talking about racism

They sure did! And they erased the fact that I say what I mean to make ME look like I’m using alt-right tactics lol

It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a bullhorn and they hated it for that reason. Racist speakers use dog whistles because they can't come out and say outright what they mean, and their audiences are complicit in the charade. Speaker and audience both want some hazy distance from the repugnant reality of what they're advocating. They're not in favor of murdering civil rights volunteers, they just believe in states' rights! They don't think Black people are drains on the system, they're just against welfare queens! They don't think Black and brown people are underachieving dolts who fake their own oppression, they just don't want affirmative action! And so on and so forth ad infinitum.

Pointing out that Nazis/the alt right and fandom racism are on the same continuum of racist thought is the exact opposite of a dog whistle, it's smashing the whistle and pushing people's faces right into the ugliness they were distancing themselves from. You want fandom dog whistles? Ask why Kylo Ren assaulting Rey is a romantic bridal carry but Finn taking Rey's hand to save her literal life is sexual harassment. Ask why Kylo Ren is called a victim and the male lead while Finn is called a murderer and a bit character. Ask why BS is considered a romantic hero while Finn is treated as harmless comic relief. Ask why shippers keep and keep and KEEP saying BS is the first person to care about Rey. Ask why fans sigh about ultra-powerful ForceBabies and say Disney would be crazy to pass on those moneymaker Reylo kids, because Finnrey babies wouldn't earn money I guess, or it doesn't occur to them to even consider her marrying a guy she loves enough to lie down and die with? I wonder why 🤔

Fandom racism is an entire collection of dog whistles and calling them out for what they are is absolutely unforgivable in fandom's eyes. It always has been.

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Seriously tho, don’t use “but the racists are getting a pass!” while complaining that shipping communities are losing a safe and empowering place to share porn.

The most dominant shipping communities uphold racist aesthetic ideals, methodically erase people of color from their narratives and uphold white men as superior to all – and they continue to congratulate themselves for their own enlightenment while doing it.

Instead of glorifying shipping communities as empowering spaces for women, this is an opportunity to talk about what’s really lurking under that so-called subversive feminism.

After all the ugliness they’ve injected into Tumblr fan spaces, we can do better than letting them go down as martyrs. (Again.)

Just say you’re happy the purge happened and be done with it lmao

Imagine thinking that shipping in any way compares to running hate blogs and twisting this whole trainwreck into being shippers’ faults, somehow

You’ll have to point out where op said shipping equals racism. She said racism is rampant in dominant shipping communities, which does not translate into all shippers being dedicated white supremacists. One has to wonder why you construe this as a personal attack on shippers.

“don’t use “but the racists are getting a pass!” while complaining that shipping communities are losing a safe and empowering place to share porn.”

That right there by necessity posits that shippers and racists (specifically meaning white supremacists in the context of the overall discussion on tumblr) are two sides of the same coin

We all know that racism is a problem in fandom. We know that. However, specifically relating it to the issue of white supremacist blogs being left untouched while transformative fiction blogs are purged, with the implication that somehow white supremacy and shipping can be compared in any way, is disingenuous at best.

This post is bad (or, at the very least, badly worded) and OP should feel bad.

If you can’t see the fundamental disingenuousness in the dichotomy the op objected to--between white supremacists on the one hand and "empowering” fandom communities on the other--then you don’t actually see fandom racism as a problem. If you give lip service to the idea of fandom racism but jump on to derail a post about fandom racism, if you whine about fandom being painted unfairly while ignoring how Black women who talk about fandom racism are harassed and attacked and threatened and called fascists and worse (gee, I wonder why op might not see much daylight between fandom’s treatment of her and outright alt right assholes?), then no, you don’t see fandom racism as a problem. You’re saying you do while being ready and willing to attack the people most affected who actually do speak out about it.

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Are you high? Yes, Damerey is antiblack. Finnrose as it stands right now is antiblack. Reylo is antiblack. Finnpoe is not because Finn and Poe have an established friendship. Reyva is not because wlw relationships in a mainstream movie are nonexistent and Jessika is not white. Now I think you’re just shitting on black people. Idk if you’re just tired of pretending to care about the bullshit we endure in this fucked up fandom or what but literally you sound exactly like every antiblack reylo.

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Look, I really can’t keep track of all those categories of what is an acceptable ship or not. I do in fact vocally dislike the first three ships and am annoyed with the shippers (and gotten the shit to show for it), but it’s like you said–I’m just not that woke™. If being an ally in fandom means being completely up on those different categories and toeing the line exactly, then I’m not up for it. All I have ever been doing here was trying to have fun and bitching about the shit that makes fandom unfun for me and others. I don’t consider that activism or political in any way and never have.

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I’m sorry but this isn’t okay. I really hope you’re just angry and when things calm down you’ll understand how flippant and offensive what you’ve written here is. Being an ally in fandom has nothing to do with toeing any line and glibly speaking about wokeness in this way when there are actual people being hurt every day by fandom antiblackness is a really bad look. A lot of black fans are not able to have fun just being themselves. For you to complain in this way is extremely tone deaf and I’m really surprised at you.

I don’t like reylo but I was fine with your answer to my question. I don’t like reylo in any shape or form but I do think there are gradations they fall within and without the realm of shipping. I understand being frustrated by those who either are unwilling or unable to absorb what you’re saying. But your answer is an insult to black Finnrey fans who are reylo antis and I really hope that once tempers have cooled you will retract this.

After thinking about it and cooling down a bit, I agree with you and I apologize that I downplayed the crap Black fans go through by accusing their pain of being, basically, political correctness run amok. It was disingenuous of me to conflate the pushback against reylow etc. with, say, reyva. Thanks for being understanding of my position.

did you really just apologize about downplaying what black fans go through - then call the person who brought it up to you and, who you were being flippant to in the first place, a bitch in your tags while also saying ‘you understand her reasons’?

that’s not highly suspect in your damn mind that saying one thing and then say that in your goddamn tags?

My fault for taking it out of context. She was being a bitch on another post which was the catalyst for my blocking her, not this exchange. At the very least I wasn't in a place where I could deal with her, nor did I think it productive to interact, when she was calling me a coward and racist for saying I would delete repeat asks. Ironic, considering that I answered her own ask after making that announcement because I decided she did make a novel point. See my other reply on this thread for the link if you're curious. (I see that your note was actually earlier, maybe I didn't scroll far enough to see it.)

I think she has every reason to be angry at fandom's awful treatment of Black fans. What she doesn't get to do is call me a coward over having boundaries and otherwise treat me like shit over something I've already explained. If she's not satisfied with that explanation, fine; she can block me and stay away. She doesn't get to insult and harass me over it.

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Are you high? Yes, Damerey is antiblack. Finnrose as it stands right now is antiblack. Reylo is antiblack. Finnpoe is not because Finn and Poe have an established friendship. Reyva is not because wlw relationships in a mainstream movie are nonexistent and Jessika is not white. Now I think you’re just shitting on black people. Idk if you’re just tired of pretending to care about the bullshit we endure in this fucked up fandom or what but literally you sound exactly like every antiblack reylo.

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Look, I really can’t keep track of all those categories of what is an acceptable ship or not. I do in fact vocally dislike the first three ships and am annoyed with the shippers (and gotten the shit to show for it), but it’s like you said–I’m just not that woke™. If being an ally in fandom means being completely up on those different categories and toeing the line exactly, then I’m not up for it. All I have ever been doing here was trying to have fun and bitching about the shit that makes fandom unfun for me and others. I don’t consider that activism or political in any way and never have.

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I’m sorry but this isn’t okay. I really hope you’re just angry and when things calm down you’ll understand how flippant and offensive what you’ve written here is. Being an ally in fandom has nothing to do with toeing any line and glibly speaking about wokeness in this way when there are actual people being hurt every day by fandom antiblackness is a really bad look. A lot of black fans are not able to have fun just being themselves. For you to complain in this way is extremely tone deaf and I’m really surprised at you.

I don’t like reylo but I was fine with your answer to my question. I don’t like reylo in any shape or form but I do think there are gradations they fall within and without the realm of shipping. I understand being frustrated by those who either are unwilling or unable to absorb what you’re saying. But your answer is an insult to black Finnrey fans who are reylo antis and I really hope that once tempers have cooled you will retract this.

After thinking about it and cooling down a bit, I agree with you and I apologize that I downplayed the crap Black fans go through by accusing their pain of being, basically, political correctness run amok. It was disingenuous of me to conflate the pushback against reylow etc. with, say, reyva. Thanks for being understanding of my position.

Those are your tags. You “apologise” then in the tags continue calling someone ”a bitch” AND IN THE SAME BREATH saying she “deserves to be mad”. Make up your mind. You are being very dodgy as a non black with how you choose to interact with black people. I always knew you felt a sense of correct entitlement because of your age and the fact that people feel that you are an anti (which, is also currently suspect LMFAO) but now I think you’re starting to show your true colours.

I should have been clearer, I blocked ssg not because of this exchange but because she called me a coward when I said I was no longer publishing asks on the subject of shipping discourse that made no new points (link). Someone who baits and insults me for having boundaries and not wanting my blog to be endlessly repetitive is not someone I have time for. I spoke wrongly in response to her and I regret that. This was about correcting my own mistake, not pathetically seeking the approval of someone who dislikes me and calls me names.

As for her having good reasons to be mad, I meant just that: she has good, valid reasons to be angry because Black fans are treated like shit in this fandom and most others. That doesn't mean I am obligated to interact with her or have her come into my inbox constantly.

I'm amused that you think being an anti is a source of moral correctness for me when rather the opposite would appear to be true. Seriously every fandom faction has been trash at some point--some, like reylos, more than others--and using identification with any one of them as a source of moral validation just fails on its face, almost as much as using age in the same way.

Please feel free to block me if you think I'm not acting in good faith. In fact I'd prefer it, since I'm not sure right now who's comfortable interacting with me and I'd rather not unwittingly step on anyone's boundaries.

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Love how you pretended to gaf about the black people who suffer at the hands of reylo and you shipped that shit all along. Priceless. This is why I and other black fans realize that solidarity between black people and non-black POC is a myth. You have the luxury of being able to say this shit without getting your inbox blown up with racial slurs. People should have known you were reylo trash when you admitted to being antiblack against Finn.

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I mean obviously I have the privilege not to have racist hatred directed against me, and have commented on this before. For that reason I am not the right person to take any kind of lead on the hatred Black fans face in fandom, and I have made that clear a number of times. The best I can do is support and validate Black fans, and if you now believe that was disingenuous on my part there’s nothing I can do to dissuade you. Like you said I do in fact have and always will have racist and antiblack biases and will continue to try to confront and examine them, but obviously that’s my own thing to do and no one is obligated to cheer me on or hold my hand through it.

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Mace Windu: We’re here to arrest you.

Palpatine: *murders the other three Jedi there*

Palpatine: *literally using a DEADLY force move against Mace Windu*

Mace Windu: *defending himself, because if he stops for even a MOMENT he will be killed by the lightening he’s redirecting*

Mace: Anakin this man, who is literally actively trying to kill me in such a way if I stop this defensive stance I will die, is too dangerous to live. He is currently ACTIVELY trying to kill me, right now.

Anakin: This isn’t the Jedi way.

Anakin stans and people who hate Mace for no reason: SEE Mace is BAD and WRONG, him insisting that a man who just murdered three of his fellows and is STILL actively attempting to murder him as the scene takes place means it’s just like Anakin beheading a disarmed and non-resisting Dooku. MACE IS BAD!!!1!

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1) I wasn’t glossing over any fact. Poe is a deutertagonist. He was a duetertagonist in TFA and he was a deutertagonist in TLJ as well. 

That word means secondary lead. 

What it does not mean and what you and every other Antiblack Poe stan - that btw seems to be the lot of you - in this fandom doesn’t get is that that doesn’t mean he won’t have a story line of his own.

This does still not make him the male lead.. It doesn’t make him male protagonist of the ST. That is still Finn. And as deutertagonist Poe is going to be supporting Finn’s story, just like he did in TLJ never mind that he also had a story of his own.

Of course, you’re far too Antiblack to notice any of this, much less accept that Poe is the secondary male lead in the ST. He is and have always been a secondary character to Finn’s main male lead. That is not going to change in IX.

2) I was connecting Finn to the main villain. Who is Kylo Ren. Who happens to be played by a white dude yes. Not the issue and you damn well know this, you’re just being a hypocrite.

And since Rey, the main female lead, is bound to be in that conflict somewhere too I mentioned her. While I personally would rather leave her out of that conflict as she’s already defeated Kylo and left him in the dust twice and seeing the two go at it again will be boring, I doubt JJ is going to do that. Hence why she’s mentioned in the post.

And yes I’d much rather have had a Rey of color, but the casting is what it is. Still not the issue and you damn well know that.

Finn’s narrative importance depends very much on his being in the main conflict. We saw what happened when he’s put in a side story in TLJ, I do not want that to happen again. What is more, Finn being directly involved against Kylo Ren - apart from being the only thing that fits his set up in TFA - does affect his perceived importance in both media and fandom.

Or didn’t you notice how everyone was throwing tantrums before TFA because it looked like the central hero and Jedi was going to be a Black man? A breathed a collective sigh of relief when it became clear that at least the Jedi legacy appeared to be safely in white hands, even if said hands were female?

Also, Finn not being involved in the main conflict and going directly against Kylo, goes against everything that John indicated about how the shooting is going, that all of them are together. Finn and Rey, and also Poe and Rose. (Funny how you give fuck all about Rose.) And Adam, hence Kylo will be there as well.

But you seem to want Finn kept in a side plot again. You seem to want Finn to be kept safely away from any conflict with Kylo Ren and have him play second fiddle to Poe, to keep him from righteously kicking Kylo’s ass at last after being defeated at the end of TFA. As a bare minimum, Finn should be allowed to do that much, to get restitution for that defeat. And that would mean placing him in the focus of the story and in Kylo Ren’s path, where Finn belongs as he’s the male protagonist in the ST.

Wonder why you don’t want to have him there? Why you don’t want him to have that?

Don’t bother answering though. For one thing I already know the answer to this question- For another you’re blocked!

Stay mad about that.

~Mod Mara

Here’s the thing: For Finn to be a lead (and he is), his relationships with white characters are important, because the other protagonist is a white woman. His relationship with Han was important, his relationship with Phasma is important, and his foil relationship with Kylo Ren is important. And yes, I hope he somehow forges a relationship with Luke, too.

This is not to say his relationships with Poe and Rose aren’t important – they are. But miss me with this “you attach Finn’s value to his attachment to white characters” bullshit. Finn is a lead in his own right, and as a lead, he has to be connected to white characters. Rey is white and there’s nothing we can do about it (no disrespect to Daisy Ridley). To say Finn’s relationships to white characters devalues him is to say he should be segregated away from Rey and Luke and Kylo. Which would make him a side character. It’s a shitty argument.

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Now reylos are saying the batb author is getting death threats and threatening self harm. I hope no one is sending that idiot threats. And the other stuff, that's standard for "uwu I got caught being racist" assholes.

its times like these where i wish i didnt have most reylos blocked so i could see what they’re saying. the thing is, even if that stuff is happening, she still has a chance to apologize? her fic is disgustingly racist and its been brought up in the past and will continue to be brought up until she 1. acknowledges she’s being racist 2. apologizes for being racist 3. deletes her fic. 

and yeah, i’ve been on this website long enough to know that when people are accused of things like racism they always threaten things like self-harm and suicide instead of just confronting their own behavior and becoming a better person. 

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heres a snippet of what the writer and her fellow reylos are sending to me tho so like? who cares if u got death threats babe join the club lmfaoo. and yes boo i too have clinical depression and anxiety and YET i havent threatened self-harm as a way to get out of consequences. fuck outta here with that mess. stop being an ugly violent racist and nobody will bother you! it’s not like you get hate mail for just existing like the rest of us. cry me a river. 

despicaWhat J said. They do these things to us to really showcase their violent bigotry (antiblackness and islamophobia in J’s case) then turn right back around and cry victimhood. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if these were reylos sending her this shit so that they can really play their victim complex.

They are all fucking despicable.

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It's so telling, like practically a case study?? A white woman (op), an Asian woman (me), and a Black woman (@muslimfinn) all tear into a shitty racist fic. Guess which of them gets threats of violence, suicide bait, and Islamophobia in their inbox. I published both the critical asks I got in relation to this mess. They were annoying, disingenuous, and self-serving, sure, but NO ONE threatened me or was bigoted toward me. The difference in treatment is palpable.

And yeah, fuck off with hiding behind mental illness/RL issues. White women called on racism pull this shit all the time, weaponizing their perceived frailty to silence criticism and avoid accountability. Because obviously the people they hurt can't have mental illness or other shit going on in their lives. Because everyone else are just dumb brutes with no real feelings and inner lives that matter. Because it's not like racism, interpersonal and institutionalized, is devastating for the mental and physical health of Black people. I find myself agreeing more and more with the analysis that white supremacy is a form of socially accepted sociopathy (link) that frees too many white people from empathizing with Black people or indeed seeing them as full people at all.

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I’m so tired of seeing reylos and Kylo stans claim they care about Finn’s abuse when it is abundantly clear that their concern is entirely conditional on whether or not it can be made to serve Kylo.

Because they demand that Finn as an abuse victim himself be understanding, empathetic and forgiving of Kylo because of Kylo’s alleged abuse, so course Finn must in their eyes. Finn’s past abuse are to them only a tool to make him obviously “Pro Ben” and redemption, because they never, ever make the same demand in reverse.

But you do not see comment after comment on posts about Finn, nor meta after meta, espousing how Kylo absolutely have to be sympathetic to Finn’s pain and trauma. That he’s an asshole and utterly heartless and selfish if he doesn’t support Finn, if he hates him or wants him hurt.

How a Kylo who wishes Finn dead is a bastard who deserves nothing but misery, because he’s a bad person for not supporting and being empathetic with a fellow abuse victim.

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Holy shit, I didn't even think of it that way. Here they go on about how Finn must be pro-abuse unless he understands and sympathizes with Kyle, meanwhile they choose to ignore the fact that their fave is an actual abuser. (At least one of them didn't even remember the part where Kilo stared at Finn before startling him by hitting a structure near him with a blaster beam--which forgetfulness is in itself telling.) The double standard is absolutely staggering.

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White racists pulling the “Wakanda as an absolute monarchy that doesn’t share its secrets is so fucking problematic” card as a “gotcha” to excuse their antiblack racism or get one over on Black fans of the film (“how can you be anti blah blah blah if you like this problematic country”) is beyond annoying.

Where’s the insipid commentary on how monarchies are bad related to Thor and Asgard, hmm? No one had a problem with absolute monarchies until Black people were running one.

All these fuckers parrot about Wakanda sounds like it comes straight from white supremacist handbooks and it’s so transparent considering a fictional monarchy run by black people in Africa is basically a tipping point for them and their anger.

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Also, why should Wakanda share its knowledge and resources anyway? Why do these people act so fucking entitled to everything Black people have, whether it's due to luck, ingenuity, or effort?

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