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As far as Finn and Rey's feelings for each other seeming out of whack, one thing I notice is that movies seem really bad at portraying mutual attraction specifically between white women and black men. It's either stereotypical or something along the lines of Get Out. TV does it better. Kara and James Olsen, while short lived, was a good example, and now with Cloak and Dagger, Tandy Bowen is shown unashamedly attracted to Ty Johnson. Movies get this so bad for some reason.

That’s an interesting–and disheartening–dichotomy. In fact I can’t think of a lot of Black men/white women romances on the big screen in general. There was a discourse about John as a romantic lead a little while back and I’ve been thinking since then, do even undisputed superstars like Denzel Washington and Will Smith count as romantic leads? Will had Mr. Hitch and Denzel had… The Preacher’s Wife? They both have amazing filmographies and commercial success that few actors of any race could rival and yet I don’t think they could be called romantic leading men like Leonardo Dicaprio or Brad Pitt. It seems to be a combination of Hollywood’s distaste for both interracial romances and Black leading women.

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There have been several films that Denzel should have had a romance with the co-lead, but because she was white they nixed it because test audiences didn’t like it.

Will, among many other black actors, has had the love interest changed from the original casting call (black) to someone more racially ambiguous to appeal to audiences (usually mixed with light skin or non-black Latina) by studios.

Hollywood is a mess and it’s still in so many ways operating on the 80s & 90s scale of what sales and what won’t, even though a lot of people want better. All I can say is I hope John is able to break that mold. Or at the very least put some more dents in it. He’s on the right track with starting his own production company to make an impact.

Evidently it wasn’t his own preference, according to the Washington Post (link). He would have been okay with playing interracial romance on screen with white leads, but he knew white men wouldn’t like it.

I love Will and Denzel, but they got to where they are by not rocking the boat. Even in Hancock, where Will was opposite Charlize, it was a relationship of pure destruction. Will was white America’s favorite actor (at least until he started playing roles considered to be white like in iRobot and I Am Legend), but he was kept in his place.

But going back to Finnrey, it’s rarely the fault of the actors or the writing when people don’t see a romantic connection between a white character and a character of color. If it makes someone uncomfortable to see a white person romantically involved with a Black person, it will never read as truly romantic to them.

It’s like how many of us saw a developing love story between Michonne and Rick on The Walking Dead going back to the second season, and when they finally got together most of the fans were totally blindsided.

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Anonymous asked:

As far as Finn and Rey's feelings for each other seeming out of whack, one thing I notice is that movies seem really bad at portraying mutual attraction specifically between white women and black men. It's either stereotypical or something along the lines of Get Out. TV does it better. Kara and James Olsen, while short lived, was a good example, and now with Cloak and Dagger, Tandy Bowen is shown unashamedly attracted to Ty Johnson. Movies get this so bad for some reason.

That’s an interesting–and disheartening–dichotomy. In fact I can’t think of a lot of Black men/white women romances on the big screen in general. There was a discourse about John as a romantic lead a little while back and I’ve been thinking since then, do even undisputed superstars like Denzel Washington and Will Smith count as romantic leads? Will had Mr. Hitch and Denzel had… The Preacher’s Wife? They both have amazing filmographies and commercial success that few actors of any race could rival and yet I don’t think they could be called romantic leading men like Leonardo Dicaprio or Brad Pitt. It seems to be a combination of Hollywood’s distaste for both interracial romances and Black leading women.

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There have been several films that Denzel should have had a romance with the co-lead, but because she was white they nixed it because test audiences didn’t like it.

Will, among many other black actors, has had the love interest changed from the original casting call (black) to someone more racially ambiguous to appeal to audiences (usually mixed with light skin or non-black Latina) by studios.

Hollywood is a mess and it’s still in so many ways operating on the 80s & 90s scale of what sales and what won’t, even though a lot of people want better. All I can say is I hope John is able to break that mold. Or at the very least put some more dents in it. He’s on the right track with starting his own production company to make an impact.

Evidently it wasn’t his own preference, according to the Washington Post (link). He would have been okay with playing interracial romance on screen with white leads, but he knew white men wouldn’t like it.

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lj-writes
Anonymous asked:

As far as Finn and Rey's feelings for each other seeming out of whack, one thing I notice is that movies seem really bad at portraying mutual attraction specifically between white women and black men. It's either stereotypical or something along the lines of Get Out. TV does it better. Kara and James Olsen, while short lived, was a good example, and now with Cloak and Dagger, Tandy Bowen is shown unashamedly attracted to Ty Johnson. Movies get this so bad for some reason.

That’s an interesting–and disheartening–dichotomy. In fact I can’t think of a lot of Black men/white women romances on the big screen in general. There was a discourse about John as a romantic lead a little while back and I’ve been thinking since then, do even undisputed superstars like Denzel Washington and Will Smith count as romantic leads? Will had Mr. Hitch and Denzel had… The Preacher’s Wife? They both have amazing filmographies and commercial success that few actors of any race could rival and yet I don’t think they could be called romantic leading men like Leonardo Dicaprio or Brad Pitt. It seems to be a combination of Hollywood’s distaste for both interracial romances and Black leading women.

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neogenesis85

There have been several films that Denzel should have had a romance with the co-lead, but because she was white they nixed it because test audiences didn’t like it.

Will, among many other black actors, has had the love interest changed from the original casting call (black) to someone more racially ambiguous to appeal to audiences (usually mixed with light skin or non-black Latina) by studios.

Hollywood is a mess and it’s still in so many ways operating on the 80s & 90s scale of what sales and what won’t, even though a lot of people want better. All I can say is I hope John is able to break that mold. Or at the very least put some more dents in it. He’s on the right track with starting his own production company to make an impact.

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If you were disappointed by the Resistance mutiny plot in Star Wars: The Last Jedi I highly recommend you check out Crimson Tide, a 1995 movie which I may or may not have seen 18 times starring Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman. Other than the incongruity of Washington playing a character named “Ronald” it is so much more interesting a military drama than TLJ.

For one thing, Crimson Tide takes care to establish the fundamental worldview differences between Hackman’s Captain Ramsey and Washington’s Commander Hunter, even though the two meet and talk for the first time under an incredibly urgent national security situation. Ramsey is Navy salt through and through, an effective and seasoned sailor who only knows the military and orders. Hunter is educated, erudite, philosophical, and sees the bigger picture in world events.

See how the mirrors behind Ramsey catch his senior staff so that their reflections are watching Hunter along with Ramsey. All the senior staff know each other well and are highly loyal to Ramsey, while Hunter as Ramsey’s new second-in-command is comparatively unknown other than having his friend Blond Aragorn on board with him. Ramsey and his senior officers want to see what kind of person Hunter is, whether he was the right choice in this extremely high-stakes mission. This underlying distrust will have important implications later on.

And just in case we missed the point, the movie drives Ramsey and Hunter’s contrasts home again in a later scene where Ramsey is a raging asshole and Hunter just barely manages to hold onto his temper. Blond Aragorn then explains their contrasting worldviews to Hunter and the audience yet again.

It’s a little heavy-handed but it’s Hollywood, we’re not looking for subtlety here, and it’s one of the movie’s strengths that it errs on the side of clarity over cleverness every time. You can agree or disagree with the movie’s developments but no one who actually watched it could ever say, “errr, what was that about?”

Therefore, when circumstances pit Hunter and Ramsey against each other the conflict is about something meaningful, not “um why can’t you just talk to each other like grown-ass professionals.” Ramsey, for all his faults, doesn’t hide his plan from Hunter for no reason like a spiteful ninny. Hunter and Ramsey are both eminently clear to each other and the entire ship about exactly what they mean to do. This makes the conflict more meaningful, in addition to simply making real-world sense. I mean, how are you going to execute your plan if your crew doesn’t know it? No, the conflict isn’t over some stupid miscommunication. Rather it is over Hunter and Ramsey’s fundamental and strenuous disagreement over their core values, a disagreement that has implications not only for their mission but the fate of the world.

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