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Aremo Shitai Koremo Shitai Onna no Ko ni Mietatte

@lilietsblog / lilietsblog.tumblr.com

Wow, it's been like 10 years since I updated this. Neat. I've made a dreamwidth blog just in case tumblr dies. I think dreamwidth is neat. My username on Discord is Liliet#1061 (and no I don't intend to update it, they're asking but they haven't tried to force me yet). My username on reddit is LilietB. Read PGTE. Homestuck is great. Peace and love on the planet Earth. I'm Ukrainian. Wish us luck.
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greenzaku

For those with covid conspiracies, they said Ukraine had secret biolabs. To those obsessed with Trump, they made a whole Hunter Biden extended universe. To those who are anti-nazi, Ukraine is full of Nazis. To those who are Nazis, Ukraine is full of Jews. To those who are anti-LGBT, Ukraine is depraved rainbow orgies and secret sex tunnels. To those who are pro-LGBT, Ukraine is full of homophobia and hate crimes. To those who are pro-NATO, Ukraine is too hopelessly corrupt and backward, to those who are anti-NATO, its ranks are filled with NATO mercenaries, gender-neutral toilets and furry conventions.

Hence the logical conclusion, if all of this is true, is that Ukraine is a hellscape of genetically-modified, CIA-armed, Satanic Nazi transgender Jewish furries slithering forth from sex tunnel biolabs to serve Emperor Biden.

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ykp-chk

For the Westerners & other people who don't/can't follow russian news and the russian speaking online space:

This is not satire! They do talk like this. They spread this kind of stuff as 'information'.

The only satirical part here is to put it all together in one sentence, but if you split it up into its components, you'll find each of these, broadly pushed and not just one single mention on someone's obscure blog or something, as russian propaganda. It's mind boggling really how that actually works on people but it does!

Ukrainians, do you remember the genetically engineered mosquitoes, that transmit deadly diseases, but only sting people with russian blood (and they do passport and ideology checks too I guess)? Let's look at it this way: According to Russia we're pretty much geniuses, with all the secret weapons and other technologies we've developed by now, in less than two years even, that lie beyond the world's collective scientific knowledge and capabilities. And we're having orgies whenever we're not currently working or plotting. And at least half of us are world class, armed to the teeth secrets agents or something. I'm starting to believe they're actually thinking very highly of us and are really just envious! Haha.

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snovyda

And also, according to russian propaganda, in addition to everything above, Ukrainians don't actually exist, but are just russians fooled to Western propaganda to think they are a separate nation, and russia is determined to keep killing us until whoever remains accepts it.

Yes it is absurd, yes it is contradictory, but you can see how effective it is...

Propaganda doesn’t need to make sense or even be self consistent. It just needs to be dominant.

Those screenshots are from Timothy Snyder’s class on Ukrainian history, which is very much worth watching:

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viking369

In Russian propaganda, Ukraine is Schrödinger's Country. It is all things at once, however contradictory.

If you want to understand how we got here, this is a great place to start. I was gifted this education by Diana Savita Wagner (nee Snake, nee ykp-chk, nee keptmathilda) within days of the start of the war. Her recommendation was enough to encourage me to 'attend' the entire class. It was worth every second of my time.

You might find it so too.

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jakupwashere

For volunteer medic Diana who said herself before her murder: “when my death occurs, Russian propaganda will say I died at the hands of Ukrainians. That is not true. I was killed by Russia’s putin. Make sure everyone knows this.”

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this was a great read. “Laziness Does Not Exist” by Devon Price

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lilietsblog

of course, then there's the other phenomenon regarding students specifically, which I know about from my dad. He taught for a decade or so in an "Academy of Municipal Property" (or economics, or however you choose to translate that specific word from Russian/Ukrainian. It covers stuff like the electric grid, which is what my dad was teaching specifically, and I'm sure you can extrapolate from there. Maybe "ecosystem" is the best metaphor). Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine.

The thing about this institution is that it was a dingy little institute in soviet times, and rebranded itself as an academy because upon the dissolution of soviet union it didn't qualify as a university by the actual criteria that we have for that, and academy sounds cooler than institute. And Kharkiv is a university city, like in peacetime students reach... I think 20% of population? (And Kharkiv is a very large city, with pre-war 1,5 mln population, so you know that's a lot. We get students from all over Ukraine, and foreign students too, mostly from African countries).

What I mean is, for people who want to get an actual education, knowledge of topics and such, this Urban Academy will not be their first, fifth or tenth choice. However, it did find itself a place in the ecosystem: there are rules in Ukraine for state-owned organizations/utilities that for certain positions you need a bachelor's or a master's in a relevant specialty, meaning there's a demographic of people who worked in their chosen specialty for their entire life, but need a diploma to actually get promoted now.

Another thing you need to understand about Ukrainian higher education is that it's not choice based. Over your four or five years of undergrad you're going to have, like, three courses where you can choose one of several related subjects - like one of the branches of philosophy or psychology for a software engineer's diploma. Universities (and academies and such) offer a selection of very granulated programs that you get specifically accepted into, and then you get a schedule of what classes you go to at what time in which room (with just your smaller group, your entire specialty, or several specialties together for some lectures).

The result of all of the above together is a population of new adult to middle aged students who are absolutely not here to learn, just to get the paper that says they did. They or their employer unofficially pay the staff for just ushering them through, and people with actual educational integrity like my dad, who want them to at least be present for the exam and submit a paper at least that someone else wrote for them, for a solid honest 3 out of 5 (2 is a failure) and who don't take bribes... yeah, it's not a fun environment.

(There are always a few pathological perfectionists or people who actually do want to learn if they're already signed up for it, keeping classes actually existent, but we're talking an attendance of 3 people in a group of 30, here)

And of course I don't think this has anything to do with laziness either. Those are adults with jobs. They simply do not respect the institution, and considering my dad has complained about someone on staff scamming his students by accepting money for HIS grades... well it's hard to say they're wrong about it, isn't it.

Basically, another thing that can be misread as laziness is fundamental disrespect for the activity. And that's a very different phenomenon, too.

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thinking about the world tourism and what it means in soviet (+ post-soviet) context vs the rest of the world

so the soviet union for all it pretended to be a federation - a union, you might say - was absolutely russian empire 2.0, now with bonus totalitarianism.

and being russian empire means that there are exactly 2 (two) modern cities with architecture and culture and history worth visiting: moscow and st. petersburg. and while of course there might be some silly provincials visiting them and gawking (in moscow usually while on a business trip or study trip or something, as moscow is the center of everything as is well known), the only people that MATTER, that get in any way catered or appealed to, culturally or politically, already live in moscow and have been to st petersburg for one reason or another. (they say some people also live in st petersburg but that's mostly mythical cultural icons or something)

what does this leave for tourism?

well, russia might only have two human settlements, one real and one a mythical legend (it's true, just ask any moscowite who has ever posted an address online), but it has a lot of Majestic, Untamed Nature for humanity to conquer!

(what do you mean people already live there? well maybe they do but they haven't conquered it have they. the mountain still stands, so they are basically part of the majestic landscape)

(and of course the rest of the world outside the majestic russia (im sorry i mean the soviet union wink wink) is scary evil bourgoisie, and to even go on a business trip outside the country you must pass stringent background & ideological checks, for yourself and your entire family and friend circle. obviously)

so, the "tour" part of "tourism" does not refer to the tour guide who shows you the local landmarks and gives you a historical lecture, it refers to the thrifty local who offers to show you that path through the woods so you don't get lost. or it refers to nothing at all, and tourists just barge through everything based on maps and some compasses. or go down rivers, which is marginally more reliable. they're not the foreign-language-speaking elderly folk with cameras who stay in the nearest hotel in the big city, they're the band of filthy, tired, cheerful backpackers with whining exhausted children who raid your village grocery store, empty it of pasta, salami, tomato juice and ice cream, ask you for directions to the nearest well or water pump, then for the next landmark they're looking for (which might be right there at the end of the village or over on the next mountain because they took the wrong turn), then collectively tromp off.

theres a song about this, specific to people who do this on weekends in the nearest forest (also apparently dedicated to the time when there was only one (1) weekend) (it's about the bitter rivalry of people who do this with people who farm on their dachas in the same one weekend in the same rural area, competing for space on public transportation and local forage, including sometimes the goddamn fields / kitchen gardens being treated as forage by the damn university kids with no money and no shame)

i was one of those (the mountains kind, not the nearest forest kind) once a year throughout my childhood and adolescence, ever since I was old enough by my parents' reckoning to put a backpack on me and make me walk all day every day for a week, which was when I was five. i absolutely couldnt walk all day and bitched and moaned non stop (unfortunately in a way that made my parents think i was just being whiny and not that my feet are fucked up and i am having aches that a healthy child absolutely should not be having), but nonetheless i loved it with my whole heart immediately and next year there was a whole thing with my parents blackmailing me into doing damn near anything they asked just so they'd take me with them again. (years later, as an adult, i found out that that was the year when i suddenly started peeing my pants randomly and that my mom took me to a clinic and had it politely explained to her that it's out of stress and that she should give up on the battle to make me eat things i feel nauseous even thinking about. so that's how that happened i guess)

i... have been a tourist in the other, civilized sense like four or five times in my life. (three school-organized class trips to neighbouring countries, one study course in England where we spent most of our time on the tour bus getting immersed in the language, and maybe something else i'm forgetting)

but it's not what the word means to me and it never will

(relaxing near a body of water is not tourism. it's when your workplace gives you papers for their sanatorium so you go there for your mandatory paid time off and Rest, for your health. The Resters are not the same as The Tourists at all, as they have 0 interest in local landmarks or going anywhere beyond the nearest two blocks or the distance from the sanatorium building to the shore, they're more or less locals in the first place and go the same place every year since that's where their workplace sends them. it's specifically a different word)

(if you're keeping count, this makes 3 culturally defined ways to spend your vacation or weekend somewhere that's not your home in front of the tv: The Dacha (partial sustenance farming, leaves you more physically tired but arguably healthier, and definitely richer by all the vegetables and fruit you can grow there), The Rest (veg out at some nearby body of water, swim if you're into it, just lie there with a book cosplaying a dead fish if you aren't) and The Tourism (walk paths heretofore untrodden except by all the other tourists, don't make fires outside of places marked on your map that have remnants of previous fires already visible, play guitar badly and sing very loud in the evenings))

(visiting other human settlements (don't tell the moscowites but they do exist) and staying at hotels happens too but it's not vacation, it's Work Trips, and they can be very much competed for in local office politics even in the 99% of cases when they aren't to beyond the iron curtain)

P.S. I just want to make it clear that when I use the words "tourist" and "tourism" for this it's not a case of arbitrary translation confusing two concepts. the words in Russian and Ukrainian are "turist" and "turizm" which you can recognize as excessively literal transliterations of words that were themselves literal transliterations of "tourist" and "tourism". That is literally the words we use for this.

P.P.S. the fall of the soviet union has opened other possibilities but id say the words still mostly mean the same thing. its just that The Rest in the sense of going to a body of water has been expanded to possibly be in Egypt or France or something, and to possibly include some landmark walking (controversial within families)

P.P.S. Ukraine has never been as centralized as russia and other cities than Kyiv exist. However it is significantly smaller so it's actually realistic to have friends / relatives / business in all the major cities you want an excuse to visit, plus it has enough nature to maintain the idea of tourism as mostly a nature-visiting activity, just maybe in a car instead of on two feet with a backpack now. and you know the non-nature landmarks along the way as you pass through cities. this is a whole new thing and i dont think theres a distinct cultural reaction to it yet. I will however note that the fourth distinct way to spend your time outside of your place has coalesced: The Volunteering, which absolutely can and does take you all over the country depending on what volunteering event you sign up for. my best friend irl does this a lot and ive been to like two events like this with her and its awesome, though it does require you to have a lot of Youthful Energy and a longing to do some physical labor instead of whatever else you do all day normally. obviously involves visiting places and their landmarks, still not tourism lmao

P.P.P.S tourism in our sense is a fully gender neutral activity, and in fact a common COUPLES thing. everyone knows theres no sex in soviet union, but when there's a tent and two young people in love, well don't ask don't tell as they say amirite. (privacy is thin on the ground when young people are expected to and usually only can live with their parents until at least after they get married since that's the only way to have an apartment distributed to them from the government, or to have their parents exchange their bigger apartment for multiple smaller ones) (there is in fact a whole cultural sub-thing about all-girl groups struggling to recruit at least one boy to come with to Ensure Their Safety to their worried parents and also do manly things like split firewood and carry a marginally bigger portion of heavy things in exchange for a larger portion at mealtimes) (all-boy groups notably dont have this problem and are expected to be able to cook Tourist Porridge for themselves just fine)

also theres another song - admittedly just a couplet - about this meaning of tourism, apparently a parody/corruption of another song: "где бронепоезд не пройдет // не пролетит стальная птица // турист на пу, на пу, на пузе проползет // и ничего с ним не случится!" "where an armored train won't pass // a steel bird won't fly through // a tourist on his bell, bell, belly'll crawl // and nothing'll happen to him" so that probably gives you a bit more of an insight into the cultural attitude there XD

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on ethnostates and reality

in the current real world there are two options for polities

  1. an overt ethnostate, mostly monoethnic*, with some amount of minorities that it treats variously, in large degree based on whether they have their own native ethnic state out there that cares about how they are treated / has a reputation that transfers over to them in a positive or negative manner,
  2. a covert ethnostate, also known as "an empire", polyethnic but one of the ethnicities* is the one that dominates the echelons of power due to pre-existing accumulated wealth. Also treats its minorities differently based on whether they're immigrants from a state it respects, a state it disrespects, or don't have a state of their own (native or migrants)

*"ethnicity" is a word that stretches as far as local politics go. in the us it's 'white people', other places divisions are more gradual, it can change from generation to generation in any given place too :)

I'm sure you have noticed two curious facts about this:

  • there is no such thing as a non-ethnic state currently,

  • people's treatment, even in foreign countries & diaspora, depends on whether they have one of their own.

Jews all over the world benefit from the existence of Israel, even if they don't want to emigrate to it, and absolutely regardless of their opinion on its policies. I don't know about US politics, but in Ukraine where I live it's made an IMMENSE difference. Having a Jewish friend or relative means having a friend or relative in a first world country with better healthcare than ours! I don't even know how to explain to people who aren't already aware of this how much of a difference this makes compared to, say, the attitude towards Romani, yeah?

Jews aren't the only ones for whom ethnostate is a burning question, either. You know Ukraine? We're currently in a war that determines whether we get our own ethnostate (where our language is the state language, our culture gets promoted and sponsored, our politics are our own etc) or get eaten by a neighbouring empire - those are our two options! And the neighbouring empire is not ethnically benevolent: they say that "all Slavs are brothers" and what they mean by this is "Ukrainians aren't REALLY distinct, so it's okay to outlaw their language, destroy their culture and kidnap their children for reeducation". Our current alternative is between ETHNOSTATE and GENOCIDE.

There is a reason the current world order (at least / particularly in Europe) is mostly based around ethnostates. It used to be based around empires instead! And then empires broke apart and let their constituent parts self-govern, and this, the creation of ethnostates instead, was A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT. Take my word for it or read some history.

One day, maybe, the world over will turn over again, and ethnostates will be replaced with another, more benevolent and equitable system. But right now, they literally have no alternative: you have an ethnostate, or you are an oppressed minority.

Let's not focus our ire for this on the political position to not get genocided ever again, yeah?

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pro-abortion. pro-divorce. i believe we have the god-given right to give up

when people go after no-fault divorce or abortion what they're really doing is trying to enshrine the sunk cost fallacy into law

it sounds like a joke but this is a genuine political belief of mine. you should be able to leave a situation you don't like. the government has no business trapping you in a relationship.

quitters rights!

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gamebird

The 'freedom to leave' is a central tenet of freedom. Most personal freedoms are dependent on that.

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lilietsblog

So fun fact time!

In my country we don't have "case law" we have ?regular law? where the documents the courts reference are Legal Documents Specifically and only. The judge doesn't have freedom of opinion outside the range explicitly specified by the law.

What we also have in my country is that you can only go to the gvt records building and sign a paper that says youd like to be divorced if: - you don't have a child - both people are present to sign it and if either of these is lacking you have to file a divorce claim to the court even if you and your spouse literally fully agree on everything, are besties and both just want to not be legally married anymore (the second person does not in fact have to show up in person to court, they can just send a letter where they say they agree to divorce)

The result of this process is a document called "court decision" / "decision of the court". It contains the actual resolution / court orders, and before it the full legal decision making process - quoting relevant legislation! - that led to it. The creativity of... whoever is in charge of composing these... ranges from 1 page to like 5 pages of small print.

The legislation that is quoted outlines the fundamental conflict related to this sort of case:

  1. According to part 2 art. 112 of the Family Code of Ukraine the court makes the decision to dissolve the marriage if it is established that further life together and preservation of marriage would contradict essential interests of one of them.
  2. Also, according to the provisions of parts 3 and 4 of article 56 of the Family Code of Ukraine, each of the spouses has the right to terminate marriage relations. Forcing into termination of marriage relations, forcing into their preservation, including forcing into sexual contact using physical or psychological force is a violation of the rights of the wife, the husband to freedom and personal autonomy and may have legal consequences.

(These are both copypastes from the actual translated court decisions I have on my computer because I used to work as a translator. On my work laptop I had a growing collection of legal quotes like these so I could reuse translations of the same articles lmao)

There is also a DECISION OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT JUDGES that the first one of those should be interpreted as "the court must be stringent and may ONLY grant divorce IF it has proven that preservation of marriage would contradict essential interests".

But, of course, the court cannot /deny/ a divorce claim, because that would be forcing them into preservation of marriage relations and would thus violate their rights to freedom and personal autonomy!

What this means in practice is that in every single divorce claim the court swears up and down that ACCORDING TO TESTIMONY AND SUBMITTED EVIDENCE, it is PROVEN that

  • The parties have lost the feelings of love and respect towards each other, there is no possibility of reconciliation.
  • The parties do not deny that the marriage and family relations between them are terminated and have formal nature. The parties do not keep a common household. They do not agree to make peace.
  • The marriage relations are terminated in the family of the plaintiff and the defendant due to different views on family life. The parties reside at different address. Taking into account these circumstances, the court believes the family to have fallen apart irreparably, the renewal of marriage relations to be impossible, as further life together and preservation of marriage would essentially contradict the interests of the parties.
  • Over the course of their life together the spouses have started to conflict due to different worldviews. At the moment the marriage exists formally, the spouses do not keep a joint household and do not have marriage and family relations since [month of year]. The plaintiff and the defendant do not wish to renew these relations and believe it would be contrary to their interests.
  • The parties have no desire to reconcile. The marriage cannot be renewed as there is no love, mutual trust and respect between the parties. From the explanation of the parties regarding the case, the court has established life together of the spouses failed due to lack of understanding which led to the loss of feelings of respect and love. Since [month of year] the spouses live separately, do not maintain marriage and family relations, do not keep a joint household, do not have a shared budget and live at different addresses. Parties do not agree to acts of reconciliation, did not find basis for reconciliation within the period provided by the court for reconciliation, as future family life is not possible, the marriage exists formally. At these circumstances the court concludes that the parties have proven the reality and unchangeability of their will expression regarding marriage dissolution.

(all real quotes with any specific information redacted)

It's a creative writing exercise for every single decision & it's amazing. Every single time NEITHER PARTY IS AT FAULT (because that'd be a whole different court process, I've translated a few of these too) but THEIR CONFLICT IS IRRECONCILABLE. They have different views on family life and have lost the feelings of love and respect towards each other. There is no understanding between them. There's like 10 phrasings like this that recombine to create a truly unique (or at least rare combinatorically) tale of woe. (The court process does not involve gathering evidence or hearing out testimonies because, and I cannot overstate this, they cannot actually make a different decision on a divorce claim because that would be illegal)

(There is also some international treaty Ukraine signed that also reiterates the right to divorce at will, and a whole bunch more of articles in the vein of "the husband and wife must respect each other" that make the whole thing funnier the more of them are quoted in the same document. I learned so much law from our people's struggle with our beloved bureaucracy. And earned so much $$$ from the misery of it)

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kindafooey

DID HE LITERALLY PREDICT THE ENTIRE FUCKING WAR. WHAT THE FUCK

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theothin

I think he just read up on the geopolitical tensions that were already happening. that was part of the pretext for the earlier invasion in 2014

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lilietsblog

Like, he and half of Ukraine??? The half that was actually following the news & Russian media??? Everyone who didn't predict this was not paying attention???

(Attentive optimists were hoping that This Exact Thing doesn't happen, with high precision as to what exactly they were hoping wouldn't happen)

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Imagine that you are about to pass a stranger on the street. Assume that the stranger is not threatening to you in any way, and they are also not particularly strange or interesting. They're just a completely average person.

If you believe the answer depends, pick what you generally do most often and/or explain why in the tags :]

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alex51324

Here (USAmerica, small city/large town), on the street, generally no.

However, it is customary to nod/wave/say hello if you're on a walking path or hiking trail, where people are walking for fun/exercise. That can sometimes extend to if you're walking for fun/exercise on a public street, and encounter a stranger who appears to also be doing that. The shared recreational activity creates a fleeting bond, making it somewhere between "acceptable" and "obligatory" to acknowledge the other person's existence.

But if you're walking to get from Point A to Point B, you're in your personal bubble.

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lilietsblog

Depends on where I am and whether I am walking the dog. Just because I don't know someone doesn't mean they're not my neighbour; meanwhile if I'm walking the dog like 50% of people passing by will look at it and also me which is a free and easy social interaction hack. (That's only if I'm paying attention ofc)

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wintvies

“why can’t ukraine just give some land to russia?” 20 days in mariupol is on youtube! hope this helps. 😊

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lilietsblog

I see people asking this question seriously and I want to address it.

Why won't Ukraine just give russia some land?

Well, when you hear "land" what are you picturing? Acres of untamed wilderness? Fields of wildflowers stretching into the horizon? Picturesque unsettled mountain cliffs? Miles of empty desert along a highway? Please. If Ukraine had those laid out neatly on the border and russia wanted them, our government would have long sold them for discounts on natural gas. We've had pro-russian governments before. We've had stupid fail governments before. We've had the "sure you can park your military fleet in our port city in exchange for a discount on natural gas' government before.

The Ukrainian flag is a stripe of blue above a stripe of yellow. This symbolizes (low-res depicts, really) sky above a field of wheat. Because that's what most of the territory of Ukraine is. Cultivated land. Developed land. Settled land. Land where people live.

The russian advance is measured in villages, towns, and in individual fields, hills, and field-sized forest patches between them. Because that's what's there. Settlements. People's houses and sources of food.

Three things happen to people whose houses those are:

  1. They die. Their houses, roads, fields, schools, shops, workplaces get bombed while they're there and they don't make it to the ambulance (or, no ambulance comes because no ambulance can come because Russian fire does not respect green corridors, first responders or whatever else). You'd think that ends the story, but those people tend to have neighbours, children, spouses, parents, friends, siblings, coworkers, casual facebook acquaintances. The story very much does not end here.
  2. They evacuate. They abandon their homes, their gardens, their fields, their machinery, their livestock, depending on available transportation often their pets, depending on people's individual stubbornness often their elderly relatives who refuse to go anywhere (and their young children win in the horrifying calculus of who to prioritize). Some of them join the army to go and try to get their homes and their neighbours' homes and their families' homes and their casual acquaintances' homes back. Some of them try to settle into new lives on new land, starting from zero plus their new neighbours' generosity (modified by how much their new neighbours actually have to spare). Some of them flee abroad, where they don't know the language and don't know how to use the kitchen appliances. Some of them have cushy savings and distant relatives happy to welcome them. A vanishing percent of them doesn't want to go back and isn't angry they had to leave. The rest want their homes back, if only so they can sell them to buy a washing machine that actually works for their new ones. All of them look back and hope everyone they knew survives. (This won't happen, just due to the law of large numbers. Too many will die and have died). These stories aren't over either
  3. They stay. The tanks roll through their roads without stopping, and when they go to the local military point to sign up with the Ukrainian army they get a grimace and an awkward explanation that they can't do this from here anymore, and also don't talk so loud because the two eighteen year olds in russian fatigues with scared eyes over there on the corner have assault rifles and were told we're all fascists here. I won't detail what happens to them; the world knows.

These people are what's behind the vague word "land". They constitute the territory of Ukraine. The trampled and blown up and mined fields of wheat do not belong to the people in Kyiv sitting in pretty buildings and having skype calls with world leaders. Those hectares and square meters and miraculously still standing houses belong to them.

This is why "Ukraine" (read: Zelensky and his slo-mo trainwreck of a government) can't just "give" (read: reward the invasion, incentivizing repeats in the future) russia some "land" (read: settlements full of people that the current russian government wants to ethnically cleanse).

And why any given individual Ukrainian you meet might just get incoherent with rage at the suggestion.

We elected those people so they'd protect us, not sell us.

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10 facts everyone should know about Ukraine! by @/jeniasnotes

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lilietsblog

additions from a real ukrainian:

  • i'm not sure if the language is really closer to polish than to russian. it uses the cyrillic alphabet, not the latin one like poland does. it has a lot in common with both languages and is geographically and historically smack dab in between. then theres bielorussian thats basically the third language in the russian/bielorussian/ukrainian trio of cyrillic using slavic languages. we border on them also. also most of the population knows russian but the further west you go the more people judge you for not at least trying to speak ukrainian, even if you have to sprinkle russian words to make up for vocabulary you forgot. some people are more jerks about it than others but it never rises beyond "random stranger on a train inserting himself into your conversation with a friend to lecture you on how youre in ukraine and should speak ukrainian" level that ive seen. the ukrainian i learned at school as a kid is not quite the same ukrainian that everyone is trying to speak now because it was always heavily regional in reality and the 'literary' version we learned is riding some rough ass currents trying to mesh with that. also half the people who are trying to newly speak ukrainian now are native russian speakers who are older than when ukrainian started to be taught at schools universally and you can really tell. including the older politicians on tv. its fun(?)
  • 'kiev' is the same city but its the russian word for it. use the ukrainian word 'kyiv' instead. but if you see a reference to 'kiev' thats the same city yeah. also its basically pronounced as 'KI-yiv'/'KI-jiv' (depending on how you transcribe the 'j' sound. like in yet). the first 'i' sound is actually not 'i'/'ee' but a similar vowel sound that English straight up doesnt have, which is why 'y' is used there. also the russian version 'kiev' is also basically pronounced 'KIjiv' but with the actual 'i'/'ee' sound there. (neither russian nor ukrainian have the long vs short vowel differentiation)
  • borsch has like infinite possible permutations and most of them are gross as hell (highly biased picky eater autistic opinion). but even i have a variation of borsch i like (the 'just boiled beets with salt and citric acid, then add boiled eggs' one). also salo with chocolate is not a real food but it should be just to troll foreigners
  • the flag symbolizes/depicts a blue sky above a field of wheat. thats why the blue stripe is above the yellow stripe. depending on the exact shades of blue and yellow you choose this can be a very pretty color combination or absolute eye searing horror. the latter is unfortunately more common
  • ukraine is pretty damn multiethnic and has been trying really hard since independence to not be jerks about it like russia is. the occupied territories are uh. not having a great time wrt that. special shoutout to crimean tatars
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mapsontheweb

‘Kill two birds with one stone’ in European languages.

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sighinastorm

Good job, Poland, for being civilized.   Interesting hobby, Italy.

Nice ambiguous, free-floating aggression, France.

It’s how we roll, buddy. It’s how we roll.

I like the geographical separation of how people chose tools here. United Kingdom, Spain, Turkey, Russia, Estonia are using ranged weapons. France may indeed just be throwing rocks. Portugal has chosen to wield a stick, Germany has the correct tool for the specific job and Poland is indeed cooking. But Norway is slapping.

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lilietsblog

Ukrainian is "two hares in one shot" actually so we're in the ranged weapons club. Wielding guns, even.

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reblogged

America is absolutely disconnected to meat

I think I realized this when I had went to see my dad and stepmom one day and asked if I could place my hawk’s food. (A rabbit leg) in the freezer. My step mom was disgusted by the idea that a leg from an animal was in the freezer meanwhile an entire chicken was sitting in the fridge.

Your rotisserie chicken is an entire chicken.

Your pork chop is a hunk of pig.

Your rack of ribs are from a cow’s rib cage.

It’s like Americans view meat as colorful red and pink hued shapes that just exist and come into the world packaged.

You see so many people getting harassed or even having their content flagged for showing how to process or field dress meat when it’s at it’s freshest. Right after culling. For some reason this is considered “gore” by many folks when in reality it’s no more different from plucking a processed chicken after cull.

You also notice that Americans have an idea of what’s normal meat and what isn’t normal meat and there’s racist undertones that I’ve noticed in a lot of these comments left on foreign cooking videos

You have people that claim a video of a man in a different country preparing something like this is “eating a dog.” Meanwhile this is roasted goat.

You have people who’s only perception of an edible fish is in fillet or fish stick form and they call something like this nasty because “Eww there’s a head!” Yeah.. most animals have heads..

Some of ya’ll need to realize what your meat looks like prior to processing and that it’s prepared in different ways. We also need to erase the stigma behind non traditional meats.

Truly, genuinely, as an indigenous person I talk about this exact thing a LOT! Like, don't get me wrong I get a bit squicked when dressing a chicken or gutting and cleaning a fish, lord knows I had really mixed feelings the first time I saw a deers throat slit (I thought it was cruel, until my elder asked me if I would have preferred to let it suffer instead) The truth of the matter is that animals and humans are intertwined. We are food to one another, that's the way of the world and I think people forget that when we champion for humane treatment of animals and when we rail against factory farming we need to remember that removing death is not the goal, removing undue suffering it.

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sagethefool

I don't know that this is a uniquely American or broadly American thing. I think this is more of an urban/suburban vs rural thing. If you grew up around people who hunt or fish regularly or have livestock or work in meat processing, none of this is weird.

My nephew regularly runs around at the deer processing place his dad works at and his dad brings venison to big family gatherings. Hell, last christmas my nephew was very adamant that everybody try the deer he killed. My brother has slaughtered a goat that we ate on for a few months. I've helped break down a cow that we had to slaughter after it got hit by a neighbor. There were kids at my school who regularly brought homemade deer jerky to school.

I think it just depends on how disconnected you are from the things you eat. I remember hearing about somebody who, after he and his crew were seen eating oranges from a tree in somebody's yard, were approached with a great bit of concern because 'those aren't the kind of oranges you can eat, they didn't come from the store, we don't think they're safe'. If you only interact with the food you eat in a grocery store or the comfort of your kitchen, it's easy to forget where it came from.

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tuulikki

I think the bare minimum respect you can offer an animal that died for you is to acknowledge that it had life: intelligence, emotions, personality, a favourite food, a special place it loved to nap. It was an animal, just like you. Neither of you are particularly special animals, but you once shared sentience, which is special. And it probably didn’t die a death that you’d like to experience.

I don’t believe that’s making peace with the animal’s spirit or some bullshit. I don’t think it would forgive me or find peace or whatever—that’s a mile-high stack of anthropomorphic fairy tale. And I’m not proposing this as some kind of woo slacktivist mindfulness. Most of all I’m not saying this is the most important site for reflection on food sources: as a human, biased towards caring for other humans, I owe my deepest debts and obligations to the human beings working in slaughter houses and in agricultural labour.

I just think that shying away from uncomfortable truths is a bad habit and food mindfulness is a good place to practice confronting that tendency. And I think meat makes it more tactile. What makes this flesh different from my flesh? Not much.

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at this point i’m just desperate, i’m a mess, i’m having constant nightmares about being tortured by russian soldiers, about my partner being killed in action, about my city being occupied and my family sent to a concentration camp

i don’t even have any anger left, i just want to grab people by their arms and cry and yell something along the lines of “don’t you see we are dying over here don’t you get that they are not going to stop”

i want to live

i really do i want to live and i want my loved ones to live and i want to have a kid someday and i want to wake up and look into my partner’s eyes without having to imagine myself at his grave

and he has such kind eyes and my heart breaks every time i imagine them dead

i can’t take it anymore

please don’t let us die over here

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