i desperately need people to realize there's a difference between "women need to coddle (cis) men's feelings even when they're being misogynistic uwu" and "we shouldn't tolerate misogyny but actively keeping men separate from women and treating them like they're inherently dangerous to women is only going to worsen the problem (and also this mindset causes IMMEASURABLE harm to nonbinary, trans, and intersex people, who are already incredibly at risk right now)" and i need people to realize that NOW

WHERE’S THE LIE THO

so basically… To be a good man you should only be with one woman for your entire life? And if you’ve been with someone that’s disgusting? Ok.

dude. it’s a play-off of how people treat women by slut shaming them. see how ridiculous it sounds when they switch genders? then why is it that way for women. 

It sucks that it had to be explained…

That individual actually helped this post become better by showing how men perceive women in today’s society and their reactions towards oppression. Double standards are wild.

Feminists don’t wanna live in a world without men, we want to live in a world without patriarchy and violent, toxic hyper-masculinity

So a world where men can’t be themselves.

Being violent and overly masculine is men “being themselves”? Sounds like you’re the one who wants to demonize men

THIS. christ, i am so here for the option of being a man who can nurture kids, and make squeaky noises over cute animals, and not have to constantly present myself as some kind of hard-hearted, aggressive asshole to keep from being beat down by other men who are afraid of getting Teh Ghey on them. toxic masculinity is TERRIBLE for men, and i refuse to participate in it.

which means, as a man, it’s beneficial for me to hang out with feminists as much as possible. they’re the ones who’ll let me be myself, not insecure dudebros who are so scared someone will see through their hyper-masculine facade that they’ll attack any guy who doesn’t front that way.

evil feminists: we believe that men can be good and kind and experience a full range of human emotions and desires and sexualities while also treating their fellow human beings of all genders with compassion and respect

heroic dude: not all men

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

So for all you feminists out their who think that all men should die, remember, you are not a feminist.

reblogging for the last comment

Yes

Legit question, I’m not trying to hate on feminists or anything. Why is it called feminist if they’re for equality?

castiel-knight-of-hell:

That’s a very good question and thank you for asking so politely. 

The word feminism was coined by Charles Fourier in 1837, a French philosopher who advocated for the emancipation of women because he believed society treated women as slaves. We weren’t allowed to vote, own anything, or work a real job. Women were ruled by their fathers/household patriarch until they married at which time they’d be under the rule of their husband. If a woman did not belong to male household she was shunned by society and had very little means to make money, most of them unsavory. You know the idiom “rule of thumb”? That comes from a running joke that started in the 1600s, and was still around in Fourier’s time, that said it was okay for a man to beat a woman with a stick as long as it wasn’t any thicker than his thumb. 

The point of the word feminist, and the feminist movement, has never been to say that women are better than men. The point is that women and things associated with women have been given a lesser place in society and we want to bring those things up to a place of equality. The focus is on the feminine because that’s what’s being pushed down. However, focusing on the feminine does not mean we’re focusing only women. Men are belittled and called “less of a man” anytime they portray a trait that is associated with femininity. If women and the feminine were equal to men and masculinity then that wouldn’t happen. Feminism is about raising up things associated with females to have an equal place in society as the things associated with males. It’s called feminism, not equalism, because the focus is on raising up not tearing down. Equalism would suggest that male things need to come down to a lower level so that female things can meet it in the middle. That’s not the point. The point is to raise up the feminine so that it’s on the same playing field that the masculine is already on. We don’t want men to lower themselves, we just want them to make room for us.

This needs to be spread far and wide to everyone on tumblr. 

ALL OF THIS.

THANK YOU

This is very thorough explanation, thank you!

There is a fallacy there.

This graphic presents misogyny and misandry as though they are the same. The opposites which are equal in every way.

It's demonstrably not true. Misogyny is a real, existing oppression, permeating every day of our lives. Even when it's backfiring on men (they are ridiculed for being feminine, assumed to be always stronger than women, etc), the root of the issue is still the society's hatred for women and everything connected with them.

Misandry is one of the two things, depending on how you use the word: - either it's not a systemic oppression but just an opinion of an individual person, which makes it not remotely comparable with misogyny; - or it's nor real.

Not both at the same time. You can't say misandry is real and cite the "male tears" meme as an example and then turn around and assert it's just as bad as misogyny. Individualized making fun of men that does not affect their job options, education options, financial stability and physical safety, is not comparable to systemic oppression that makes "girly" an internationally recognized insult. A system of oppression based on treating men and everything connected with them as inferior is not something that exists in our reality.

Stop confusing theory and practice

the reason oppressed groups say “___ are awful” instead of “some ___ are awful” is because including the word “some” allows individuals of that group to detach themselves from the problem and shuck the blame off and say “well they arent really talking about me so i can ignore their opinions”, whereas stating that an entire group of oppressors is awful makes the individual think whether or not theyre included in the awfulness of that group and makes them consider their actions so thats why people say “men are awful” or “white people are awful” and if you take it personally you’re getting angry at the wrong people

#if you take it personally you’re probably part of the problem

In case someone wonders why this is not misandry and should not be as condemned as failing the straight-up Bechdel test. Bechdel test doesn't actually measure the quality of the movie in any way. Like, at all. How compelling narrative is, how interesting and deep characters are - all of this has nothing to do directly with Bechdel test. All Bechdel test does is reveal what and who the movie is about, what and who has the spotlight. And when applied en masse to public entertainment, it reveals a tendency. That spotlight is REALLY masssively lopsided towards male characters, and away from female characters. THAT is the problem. Girls have all the right in the world to only watch movies that DO NOT fail the Bechdel test, it's not misandrist nor anything. They have all the right in the world to prefer movies that put /them/ into spotlight, that are about the topics they are interested in. Guys have all the right in the world to not care about Bechdel test when picking out entertainment for themselves, or to similarly watch only movies that do not fail the reverse Bechdel. The only problem around Bechdel test is HOW FEW movies do not fail it. And even fewer fail the reverse. The movie that fails the reverse Bechdel test and is a hit, tilts the situation back to balance a little. Now girls have something to watch too! And men are just as welcome to watch it as girls are to watch movies that fail the straight-up Bechdel test. (btw I watched The Winter Soldier recently... it's good... but it fails the Bechdel test...)

Putting down confident girls is not feminism

shaming sex workers is not feminism

"I’m not like other girls" is not feminism

slut shaming is not feminism

shaming BDSM practitioners is not feminism

misandry is not feminism

ignoring trans women’s rights is not feminism

you know, i’m a raging lesbian and i was never distracted by what other girls in my classes were wearing in high school. this is a male problem, not an “attracted to women” problem.

This is an “inability to respect women” problem.

Which is a male problem.

No, unfortunately it is not )= women are just as likely to buy into misogyny and treat other women horribly because of it

I think so many people forget that boys struggle with this too. Be strong boys!

for the boys

I will reblog this every time it appears on my dashboard

I’m not a boy, but I’ll reblog this every time I see this on my dash because I personally know a lot of guys who go through all of this

just so you know: this is feminism

there are a lot of people on this site claiming to be feminists yet claiming to hate men, which makes them misandrists and not feminists

people who claim you can be a feminist while still hating men truly scare me because it’s like claiming you can hate children while still “supporting and upholding the safety” of all ages, you get me?

you can’t uphold that safety if you have actual venomous hate for an entire group of people under that umbrella.

when a person says they hate men, realise it isn’t just “white cishet dudebros” that they mean. it isn’t a stereotype that they hate. they are saying that they hate allmen. think about how varied humanity is. think about how varied men are. doesn’t that scare you?

it scares me.

it scares me, and i am a victim of torture and rape at the hands of a man over the course of four years of my life. i am scared to be alone with strange men, but i do not hate them. i understand there is violence because i am a victim of that violence and i know all too well the scars that it leaves.

there is a difference between being alert to the statistics, and actively seeking out men on tumblr to hurt them for no other reason that they are male.

which is what a lot of tumblr is doing.

you’re hurting the people you claim to protect.

men of all races,

men of all abilities,

men of all physical and mental health,

men of all sexualities,

men of all status,

men of all ages,

masculine-presenting nonbinaries

and transmen (that too fall into those categories) as well.

these are the men that these people are putting in danger and hurting with these violent thoughts. i am not claiming that every man is innocent and i am sure as hell not claiming that every woman is. i am a feminist and as a feminist i first and foremost must believe that we are all born equal and recognise the need to fight for everyone’s equality - which a lot of you seem to be forgetting.

i’m not going to get in a debate of who has it worse. i’m not going to get into a debate over anything because this is what i think and goddamnit i will keep screaming it out until the day i die. misandry on tumblr scares me, as a pansexual woman. it hurts those in the communities listed above. it hurts people that i dearly love. people that i would do anything to protect. it’s not trendy, it’s not cool. it’s out of control. people on actual feminist boards look at this site and get scared shitless by how extreme you people are. some of you are even promoting the mass killing of males for existing as males. think about that for a second.

does that seem like something a nonviolent person would say? advocating for a mass slaughter, for suffering, for a so-called revenge?

no. it sounds like something you’d tell the police or an authority figure if you heard people talking that way in real life. 

if you think that hating men is “real feminism” get the fuck outta my face because feminism is about equality for all people with the current goal of getting all women to an equal place in world society. but it also means that we need to help and support men instead of hating on them for their “place” in society because they need help as much as women and nonbinaries do.

"Feminism is mainly focused on women’s issues, but […] since feminism seeks gender equality, it must necessarily include men’s liberation because men are also harmed by sexism and gender roles." - Wikipedia

i don’t care how fucking trendy something is. how cool certain phrases are. there is nothing to be gained except violence and hatred. i am a woman and a feminist. i believe in love, in hope, in optimism, in protection, in education, in equality, and in freedom. i am here to build, to construct, to support and scream.

i am not here to watch the man i love with my entire heart nearly cry his eyes out, become scared of what is supposed to be his safe and happy place, and consider turning his back on tumblr because of you jackshits.

i am not here to watch my masculine-dressing nonbinary friend get inbox hate for presenting as such and posting their opinions.

i am not here to watch my bisexual male friend get long, vile messages for daring to offer up his support in a feminist post on a site that’s supposed to be for all people

i am sick of living with the fear that this is the post that gets me a flooded inbox full of people marching me off of this site for daring to post this opinion.

i am sick of this. it hurts my heart. it makes my blood turn into ice and acid fill up my throat, to know that a lot of the people i love will read this and attack me for it.

but this is life, and i’m not hiding my opinions anymore.

If only more feminists were like this, I’d probably still be a feminist.

Yes, this is good. Call out the radfems and reclaim the movement.

Feminist: Misandry doesn’t exist.

Me: Men get sentenced to longer prison terms for the same crime.

Feminist: That’s misogyny, because women aren’t seen as a threat.

Me: So is black men being sent to jail longer an instance of black privilege, because white people aren’t seen as a threat?

I am African American and I take issue with what you posted.

Particularly THE PART WHERE YOU THOUGHT OF THAT POINT BEFORE I DID

DAMN IT.

first, misoginy and racism aren't exactly the same. Yes, the misconception about black people, as far as I know, is that they are dangerous and irrational, while misconception about women is the opposite. Second, why do people think that misoginy and misandry are opposed? I mean, I can see how their proponents can be opposed, if they want to only fix the stuff that hurts them and keep the stuff that benefits them Doesn't work that way, though. Yes, sexism hurts both sexes. Society has higher expectations of men than women, and it is a double-edged sword. Women get less credit for awesome things they do and less punishment for horrible things they do. This is bad, and this needs to be fixed. Both of these things. They are both sexism.