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Aremo Shitai Koremo Shitai Onna no Ko ni Mietatte

@lilietsblog / lilietsblog.tumblr.com

Wow, it's been like 10 years since I updated this. Neat. I've made a dreamwidth blog just in case tumblr dies. I think dreamwidth is neat. My username on Discord is Liliet#1061 (and no I don't intend to update it, they're asking but they haven't tried to force me yet). My username on reddit is LilietB. Read PGTE. Homestuck is great. Peace and love on the planet Earth. I'm Ukrainian. Wish us luck.
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wastrelwoods

some very very good vimes facts™ i have picked up while rereading jingo

  • absentmindedly strikes matches using sgt. detrius, who is made of rock, on multiple occasions
  • murmurs sarcastic clapbacks under his breath during official city council meetings, while vetinari glares at him. the saltiest bitch in the game
  • allergic to paperwork, apparently solely because he can’t stand his coworkers spelling and/or punctuation from hell
  • thinks “so are we gonna have a war or what” is appropriate diplomatic dialogue
  • literally so noir that he takes extra unofficial patrols to stand in the rain at 3 in the morning and brood 
  • and fucking loves it
  • honestly doing his best to work against a lifetime of ingrained prejudices. not perfect but t r y i n g
  • fluent in latatian (discworld latin) or fucking close enough for a guy with presumably no secondary education
  • doesn’t give a shit about the laws of space and time, just the good old laws of ankh morpork. get that supernatural shit outta here 
  • can toss his sword high enough to spin three times and still catch it by the handle
  • “a watchman is a civilian you inbred streak of piss”
  • will only eat food which Sybil has burnt beyond recognition cooked over the flame of a live swamp dragon
  • so in love with his wife, gets really flustered every time she speaks
  • a knight, but incredibly embarrassed about it
  • by the end of this book pretty much the second most powerful man in the city, being a duke in a kingdom with no king, and still really embarrassed about it
  • ghost rides the whip piloting a boat through a deadly thunderstorm on not one but TWO separate occasions (here and in snuff), still doesn’t know how the fuck boats work
  • calls the prow of a ship ‘the sharp part’
  • i can’t let this go by without mentioning this sonofabitch also ARRESTED TWO OPPOSING ARMIES and then his OWN TYRANT in order to stop a war like how incredibly Extra–
  • fuckin made me cry again guys ive read this book like ten times
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lilietsblog

i was laughing crying and then you mentioned the part where he arrested vetinari and look nO

vetinari MADE him arrest him. vimes was all like... ????i dont think i can do that???? and then vetinari was like NO I AM ARRESTED NOW YOU HAVE ARRESTED ME and organized all the fucking pr about vimes having arrested him bc hes high key going for fixing ankh-morpork’s bullshit into actual rule of law and vimes is the chosen one for that even if vetinari has to drag him kicking and screaming at some points

vimes was NOT badass enough to arrest vetinari. he arrested two opposing armies and then was like ‘...but i cant arrest YOU’ bc his respect for vetinari transcends time and space actually

listen,,,

#reblog#discworld#sam vimes#havelock vetinari#people get this wrong 9 times out of 10#but its one of the best vetinari moments i will not have it disrespected#vimes in snuff would have arrested vetinari without a blink#but vimes in jingo needed vetinari to teach him that he can do that#jingo#its the best vetinari book#only comparable to unseen academicals#i love it with all my heart
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wastrelwoods

some very very good vimes facts™ i have picked up while rereading jingo

  • absentmindedly strikes matches using sgt. detrius, who is made of rock, on multiple occasions
  • murmurs sarcastic clapbacks under his breath during official city council meetings, while vetinari glares at him. the saltiest bitch in the game
  • allergic to paperwork, apparently solely because he can’t stand his coworkers spelling and/or punctuation from hell
  • thinks “so are we gonna have a war or what” is appropriate diplomatic dialogue
  • literally so noir that he takes extra unofficial patrols to stand in the rain at 3 in the morning and brood 
  • and fucking loves it
  • honestly doing his best to work against a lifetime of ingrained prejudices. not perfect but t r y i n g
  • fluent in ephebian (discworld latin) or fucking close enough for a guy with presumably no secondary education
  • doesn’t give a shit about the laws of space and time, just the good old laws of ankh morpork. get that supernatural shit outta here 
  • can toss his sword high enough to spin three times and still catch it by the handle
  • “a watchman is a civilian you inbred streak of piss”
  • will only eat food which Sybil has burnt beyond recognition cooked over the flame of a live swamp dragon
  • so in love with his wife, gets really flustered every time she speaks
  • a knight, but incredibly embarrassed about it
  • by the end of this book pretty much the second most powerful man in the city, being a duke in a kingdom with no king, and still really embarrassed about it
  • ghost rides the whip piloting a boat through a deadly thunderstorm on not one but TWO separate occasions (here and in snuff), still doesn’t know how the fuck boats work
  • calls the prow of a ship ‘the sharp part’
  • i can’t let this go by without mentioning this sonofabitch also ARRESTED TWO OPPOSING ARMIES and then his OWN TYRANT in order to stop a war like how incredibly Extra–
  • fuckin made me cry again guys ive read this book like ten times
#reblog#jingo#i did a report on this book and i reread it for that and ;u;#ill admit vetinari rather than vimes is the biggest reason for me to love that book#but vimes is just incredible in every single one#discworld#terry pratchett
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bookhobbit

it occurs to me on the heels of that excellent post that, really, every single Vimes book could be summed up with an “I am forcibly removed” snowclone 

his entire career is “I AM FORCIBLY ESCORTED FROM THE [patrician’s palace/diplomatic function/heraldry office/position of captain/my own past]”

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loracarol

I ARRIVE IN MY PAST

Law: On 

People: Protected

Snapcase: Out

I AM FORCEFULLY ESCORTED FROM MY PAST

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lilietsblog

I ARRIVE IN KLATCH

D’regs: impressed

71-hour Ahmed: befriended

Army: arrested

I AM FORCIBLY ESCORTED FROM KLATCH

#reblog#sam vimes#discworld#beautiful#jingo#night watch
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and ah yes the signature quote that very much needs to be taken with the sentence preceding it

Vetinari was suddenly in front of Vimes, his chair hitting the floor behind his desk. "Really? Men marched away, Vimes. And men marched back. How glorious the battles would have been that they never had to fight!" He hesitated, and then shrugged. "And you should say bought and sold? All right. But nott, I think, needlessly spent."

this is the one time in the entire discworld series that Vetinari is seen losing his cool

(okay to be fair i havent yet read the last two... )= )

#I LOVE THIS MAN SO MUCH#vetinari#havelock vetinari#its not very well said what he says here#but its the preceding sentence that matters#what was the one time vetinari lost his cool?#now we know#jingo#liliet rereads jingo#terry pratchett#discworld
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You know, the first time I read this book, I didn't really understand Vimes' arc in it. He seemed to be doing a lot of reacting and a lot of doubting and a lot of what he did was just... er... ineffective.

(The second time shortly after is the same)

But now I'm rereading, and I think I can see

holy shit this is the best book about the police ever written

#and im counting the entire rest of the night watch as competition#okay the eponymous night watch is a strong runner-up#jingo#liliet rereads jingo
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'Colon had always thought that heroes had some special kind of clockwork that made them go out and die famously for god, country and apple pie, or whatever delicacy their mother made. It had never occured to him that they might do it because they'd get yelled at if they didn't'

Look. Look at this. This is what he expects Vetinari to do if he refuses to cooperate. This is what motivates him.

Vetinari might yell at him

this is adorable as fuck

#HE CRAVES VETINARI'S APPROVAL#AND IS TERRIFIED OF HIS DISAPPOINTMENT#THIS IS HOW YOU TYRANT PEOPLE#vetinari#havelock vetinari#jingo#liliet rereads jingo
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'he knew they were doing it because Lord Vetinari was sitting in the Boat and would raise his eyebrows in no uncertain manner if they refused'

I love that they aren't intimidated by something specific Vetinari would do. He's not, like... known for atrocities. He doesn't even think 'Vetinari would do something' or 'Vetinari would be mad'. It's just... he would raise his eyebrows in no uncertain manner.

He would be surprised and disappointed

I love the idea of personal charisma??? so much??? like yes Vetinari is very much known to be dangerous but nobody knows anything specific because Vetinari does not, in fact, regularly get into fights and murder people

he just... intimidates them, which works just as well without anyone getting hurt

he's the badassest pacifist ever

#if anything it's vetinari who regularly gets into trouble and needs watch to rescue him#okay he generally is capable of doing the rescuing part himeslf#but the point is that he kind of doesnt do open conflict#Chaotic Good#forever#vetinari#havelock vetinari#jingo#liliet rereads jingo
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and of course the tiny delightful things: there's the whole dialogue where Colon ponders what they do to spies in Klatch and the joke is that he ends up not understanding that it's actually horrible and painful

and Vetinari comments on how he has no idea why nobody ever considered Colon for promotion

and like, it's cold manipulator Vetinari having picked out the stupidest men so they would charge into danger without realizing it's dangerous, right?

uh huh, up until the moment where Vetinari himself goes and leads the charge

he's not bringing Nobby and Colon anywhere he's not going himself, and if anything, he's the one who ends up in trouble in the end, which was exactly his plan

they are fine

look I love Vetinari okay

#liliet rereads jingo#jingo#discworld#vetinari#havelock vetinari
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so im rereading Jingo for a book report and just

there are many quotable lines but there are some of them by Vetinari and I just

'As they say, if you would seek war, prepare for war' 'I believe, my lord, the saying is - if you would seek peace, prepare for war' Vetinari put his head on one side and his lips moved as he repeated the phrase to himself. Finally he said 'No, no. I just don't see that one at all.'

this is the book that convinced me he was Chaotic Good, and I stand by that opinion

#what a great pacifist vetinari <3#discworld#havelock vetinari#vetinari#I LOVE HIM#terry pratchett#books#literature#jingo#liliet rereads jingo
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‘Why are our people going out there?’ said Mr Boggis of the Thieves’ Guild. ‘Because they are showing a brisk pioneering spirit and seeking wealth and… additional wealth in a new land,’ said Lord Vetinari. ‘What’s in it for the Klatchians?’ said Lord Downey. 'Oh, they’ve gone out there because they are a bunch of unprincipled opportunists always ready to grab something for nothing,’ said Lord Vetinari. […] The Patrician looked down again at his notes. 'Oh, I do beg your pardon,’ he said. 'I seem to have read those last two sentences in the wrong order.’

Terry Pratchett, “Jingo” (via turtle-recall)

#jingo is my fave vetinari book#he's perfect#reblog#jingo#discworld#vetinari#yes
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lizthefangirl

when you re-read a book and realize you skipped over an important sentence the first time you read it

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that reminds me of something...

“All right,” he said, “but, look I thought only a king could make someone a duke. It's not like all these knights and barons, that's just, well, political, but something like a duke needs a—” He looked at Vetinari. And then at Carrot. Vetinari had said that he'd been reminded… “I'm sure, if ever there is a king in Ankh-Morpork again, he will choose to ratify my decision,” said Vetinari smoothly. “And if there never is a king, well, I see no practical problems.” “I'm bought and sold, aren't I?” said Vimes, shaking his head. “Bought and sold.” “Not at all,” said Vetinari. “Yes, I am. We all are. Even Rust. And all those poor buggers who went off to get slaughtered. We're not part of the big picture, right? We're just bought and sold.” Vetinari was suddenly in front of Vimes, his chair hitting the floor behind his desk. “Really? Men marched away, Vimes. And men marched back. How glorious the battles would have been that they never had to fight!” He hesitated, and then shrugged. “And you say bought and sold? All right. But not, I think, needlessly spent.” The Patrician flashed one of those sharp, fleeting little smiles to say that something that wasn't very funny had nevertheless amused him. “Veni, vici… Vetinari.”

Let's just say I never regretted rereading Jingo

#vetinari#discworld#look this is the only time in the series vetinari loses his cool#and look over what#over people being killed in a pointless war#and vimes dismissing his efforts to prevent it#look look look at this#Chaotic Fucking Good and no-one can convince me otherwise#reblog#jingo
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