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Aremo Shitai Koremo Shitai Onna no Ko ni Mietatte

@lilietsblog / lilietsblog.tumblr.com

Wow, it's been like 10 years since I updated this. Neat. I've made a dreamwidth blog just in case tumblr dies. I think dreamwidth is neat. My username on Discord is Liliet#1061 (and no I don't intend to update it, they're asking but they haven't tried to force me yet). My username on reddit is LilietB. Read PGTE. Homestuck is great. Peace and love on the planet Earth. I'm Ukrainian. Wish us luck.
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Frozen is about how difference and judgement of difference are two very different things, but how difference unjudged remains difference - and how the judgement made by someone else can still backfire and strike a relationship where this judgement isn't, and how it's really, really hard, all of it.

For Frozen 2 to pass a hand over the magic box and then pull off the black cloth revealing there was actually nothing there... no, yeah, guys, Anna nearly died like 5 separate times in the first movie, and all of them were because there was, in fact, something - and the victory was achieved without making that something go away and that might have been??? the point??? which yall missed???

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honestly Elsa freezing to death at one point could have been an excellent plot point, highlighting yet again the duality of how she is a human wielding powers of winter, not an actual incarnation of cold, cruel, uncaring ice - she commands it, but there's warmth in her, and that's the entire point, and warmth means there's vulnerability and that cannot go anywhere so long as she's herself. so long as it's not just a "So Last Season Syndrome" so long as it's paired with her powers being so vast, so much vaster and stronger than herself - imagine Elsa being frozen by her own powers, imagine Elsa being frozen because she was kind and she cared and she used more power than she could handle because someone, some people, needed her to and the warmth and vulnerability that meant it would hurt her also meant she couldn't say no

imagine that, instead of "well you're going to SUPER ICE place, that's colder than just regular ice place, you have ice powers, not super ice powers and that’s why you can still freeze like the cutscene commands"

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also the ending of frozen 2 was bad bc we circled all the way back around to "being different means society just isn't for you" and sure "Elsa just wanted to live alone in her frozen palace" is a factual observation from the first movie but that kind of ignores WHY she wanted it and how the resolution was her coming back because she realized she didnt HAVE to. going "no guys it's okay this time she WANTS it" is WEAK and weakens everything about both movies together and separately

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hey so this last let it go post inspired me to finally rant about why I didn't like what Frozen 2 did to Elsa

first of all, Frozen 2 did a lot of things right. it did right by Anna, who was sheltered and naive in the first movie but was still the grounded, proactive and ridiculously badass one of the sisters. Like she gets criticized for her odd choices but rewatch it!!! Anna just fucking grabs a horse and runs off into the mountains after her suddenly-revealed-to-be-an-ice-witch-sister, and when the horse throws her off and runs away FROZEN, BARELY WALKING, SHE MAKES IT TO SHELTER, and then does she go back? NO SHE BRIBES THE FIRST GUY SHE MEETS TO TAKE HER FURTHER UP AFTER HER SISTER. Anna is amazing and Frozen 2 did FUCKING RIGHT by her.

Anyway, Elsa.

Frozen 2 made two changes to her power:

- it nerfed it signfiicantly

- it made it generic "magic"

which like what??? what the fuck???? how is this the sequel to the first movie? because guys guys I will I WILL throw hands over this

Elsa's powers aren't just generic inoffensive "magic". Elsa's powers are ICE. Have yall SEEN the opening song (the one in English)?

THIS ICY FORCE BOTH FOUL AND FAIR

SEE THE BEAUTY SHARP AND SHEER

BEAUTIFUL POWERFUL DANGEROUS COLD

ICE HAS A MAGIC CAN'T BE CONTROLLED

STRIKE FOR LOVE AND STRIKE FOR FEAR

THERE'S BEAUTY AND THERE'S DANGER HERE

Elsa's magic is two things:

1) inherently dangerous - inherently that of an element hostile to life

2) POWERFUL

That's what the first movie is entirely about! Elsa's magic is not generic - it's specifically ice, that's why they thought it might be a curse! (And oh, the factually-retcon on her mom... geez) Elsa controls ICE, not because of any character trait or choice of hers, she has always controlled ice, she was this cheery, happy child running around making skating rinks and snowmen because her winter powers just Are. They're a fact everything else has to recon with.

And it's POWERFUL. It's powerful and it's terrifying because it's powerful and out of control but it's not out of control because it's powerful nor is it powerful because it's out of control. Powerful it just IS, it always was, and the loss of control is a result of fear. It's not inherent to the power, it's imposed from the outside, AND THAT IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT THEME. Elsa meanwhile builds that beautiful frozen palace in a strike of inspiration just because she can, and Elsa is shown at the end making a skating rink just for the heck of it.

Elsa who struggles with putting out a forest fire is not the Elsa from the first movie, whose powers are so much a part of her, she creates an alive, animate, sentient snowman with a swirl of her hand out of a childish memory without even later remembering she did. Elsa from the first movie who stomps and ice spreads around her, who built a frozen bridge into the air as she was running on it, who ACCIDENTALLY plunged Arendelle into eternal winter and hadn't even realized she did, because through all her struggles one thing that defines the movie is that she is POWERFUL.

Elsa causes the (environmental) problems and Elsa can solve them. Any power other characters have over the plot is because Elsa gave it or forefeited it. The plot revolves around Elsa on every level.

And I mean it's valid for the second movie to explore different themes, put Elsa in different situations, sure!

But...

But there IS that neurodivergence/disability/queerness analogy. Something that Elsa is born with and learns to hate and fear, something that makes her self-exile, something that others cannot ignore when interacting with her - except for when they do, when her sister does, and won't you know it, it turns out Elsa's a person - but it's real, too, it's not "all in their heads", and pretending it’s just not there and doesn’t matter doesn’t go well either...

...it's not neutral. "I don't care what they're going to say" is meaningful and resonates because we know the fear is real and that "they" (represented by the Weaseltown guy) have already said that Elsa is a witch and a monster, just as she feared they would. And Elsa’s powers really can kill, because Elsa's powers are ICE, not flowers and fairies.

(in the second movie Elsa’s powers could have been made to be flowers and fairies powers and LITERALLY NOTHING would have changed about the plot. She cannot even freeze the storming ocean to make her way towards her goal! She FREEZES TO DEATH AT ONE POINT KSJDFHKSJDFH)

And in that non-neutrality it has power. This is important: Let It Go, in this metaphor, takes the vulnerability of queerness/neurodivergence and makes the power that -phobes so fear real. What if there WAS a good reason to fear us? What if we DID have power, and the only thing standing between us and claiming it was the perspective of social ostracism?

The answer of “and self-acceptance and other-acceptance is still right and hostility is still wrong” is meaningful and powerful and important.

“There’s beauty and there’s danger here”

Taking away the danger in the sequel, leaving only the beauty... The second movie literally has nothing to do with the first one. It doesn’t take ANY narrative elements from it other than “there are two sisters”. It looks at “let it go” and goes “anyway once you’ve let the thing go it disappears and is never a problem ever again”.

That’s... that’s not what “let it go” is about though. That’s not how it works. You let go of the fear, and then you’re still stuck with the thing. You stop being homophobic, and you’re still gay. You learn that “autistic” doesn’t deserve to be an insult, and you’re still autistic. The essence of the difference is not a mirage! It’s not self-caused!

But the Frozen franchise, it just takes that to play with and then puts the toys back. They don’t really feel like exploring the aftermath, you know, they’d rather start Elsa from 0 as a level 1 sorcerer than write her as a level 20 one. What’s interesting about what happens next after you self-accept, anyway?

Anyway, Frozen Heart and Let It Go are good.

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can i say something controversial

screw it imma do it, “let it go” deserved the hype

writing the song is what caused elsa to change from flat-out villain to an actual hero of her story and realizing that what she hates about herself is actually something beautiful, which was inspired by a child who struggled with diabetes and the idea that elsa can find empowerment in what amounts to a disability and/or neurodivergence metaphor in this film, as well as the fact the song has gone on to inspire multiple disabled and queer viewers 

also the lyrics are??? god tier??? and idina menzel just goes OFF and how about that goddamn animation, oh my god the snow and ice looks so good and all the movement is so fluid. “let it go” was the first disney song in fourteen years to get an academy award and it goddamn deserved it 

and i know every comment is gonna be “yeah but it was overplayed” well BITCH does it look like i care?? does it look like i’m not gonna rewatch the youtube video and relive being a repressed autistic bisexual genderfluid 13yo watching this movie and already being swept up in the story of sisterly love and then suddenly watching elsa look me dead in the eye and tell me to love myself while singing the most beautiful song until “show yourself” would rip my heart out six years later? 

no more making fun of “let it go,” society has progressed past the need for making fun of “let it go”, we’re all just gonna cry together ok

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lilietsblog

frozen 2 did not live up to let it go

anyway that song is good

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bonkalore

Whole first draft of the “Let It Go” revamp storyboards!!

Well, I went and got the whole thing out over the course of about a week I guess. Was 5 days since I posted the first portion of it and I guess I went and did all the rest since it got around. I admit, I got super lazy with a lot of it and some of it isn’t as clear and I’m sorry about that but… I’m tired haha… Also I have a ton of other projects to do. I’m surprised I did it all tbh. It’s one of the longest storyboard sequences I’ve done so far!

Though it was for fun, it was at least also a good practice for me. I knew I needed something more visual than what the original was and though I had the vision it’s always hard to make out what you actually have in mind and do it justice. It’s a start though! Thank you all for the nice comments you’ve had before! I hope you enjoy the rest~

(Maybe one day I’d try cleaning it up more idk.)

Frozen © Disney Music ©  Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez Storyboards done by me

I fucking love this. I love it because:

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ELSA FINALLY GETS TO CONFRONT HER PARENTS.

We don’t get to see that in the film. After they die, they basically disappear, and Elsa’s fear of herself becomes the bogeyman. Where that fear comes from, the reason it exists, is swept under the rug.

Elsa’s terror of her powers doesn’t come from the accident with Anna — we don’t see her become gunshy, the way someone in a car crash can sometimes be afraid of driving afterwards. Her fear comes directly and explicitly from her parents, who lock her up in a room and actively teach her that she’s a monster. We see them reinforce that message over and over — and then they die, and death absolves them of their crimes.

There’s something bitterly ironic about the fact that Frozen came out after Tangled, considering the king & queen behave exactly like Mother Gothel did, but they aren’t considered villains.

PSA: Isolation is a form of torture, and unless you’re hiding your kid from Nazis, locking your child in isolation is child abuse.

There is power in acknowledging, even if it’s just to yourself, that someone has done you wrong. In college, I started going to therapy because I felt like I had anger management problems, and my therapist helped me recognize that I actually was being bullied by someone I considered a close friend. That was the first step on a long road towards healing.

Elsa is never given the opportunity to acknowledge the fact that her parents wounded her deeply (nor is Anna, who suffers from the collateral damage). The most frustrating part is, it wouldn’t have been hard. In bonkalore’s video, it only takes maybe 5 seconds to show Elsa confronting her parents, reminding herself & the audience You did this to me, and then “letting go” of what she was taught. That visual is important, because it’s easy to forget that “conceal, don’t feel” came from her father, since he says it once and she says it repeatedly.

Five seconds. That’s all it would have taken.

Ahhhh really nice commentary, thank you!! I’m really glad others haven’t overlooked the part with the parents cuz that was kinda a big part of the problems with Elsa and Disney just treated like they were the best parents and will greatly missed and like?? Sure they will be missed, but damn, they fucked up.

Really, this is like watching a different song and story. She confronts her parents- and she lets herself get angry. That’s important. In the movie, we see her just let go of her fear of her powers, and suddenly it’s all better (until someone shows up, but you know). In this version, she realizes that none of this is really her fault; fear is what makes her powers harder to control, and her parents instilled that fear in her. She’s actively rejecting that idea because she is not a monster, she won’t let herself think that anymore. The world is big, there’s space for her to be herself, and she’s going to do it, forget what anyone else has to say. And there’s more joy in this one because she doesn’t hold anything back. She’s been doing this forever, and it feels great to let herself feel for once. She’s not scared of anything because she’s had more than enough fear in her life. And if everyone will treat her as if she’s something terrible, fine. She doesn’t need that, she can be her own queen because she wants to be. Leaving is the best decision she’s ever made, and she’s seeing that it’s just as much for her as it is for Arendale.

Reblogging again cuz this makes Elsa 3000x better

This is so good. You get to actually SEE Elsa’s emotional journey, which the film completely lacked.

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lilietsblog

oh god Elsa actually looks like a living person and not like a Barbie doll identical to her sister and also to every animated girl ever here ahhhhhhhhhhhh

okay my bitterness at disney character design aside, I was absolutely in the "WTF ELSA'S PARENTS" camp from the start of the movie.

Have you noticed that in the scene that culminated with the accident, Elsa was in perfect control of her powers? The accident was Anna's fault entirely, not hers. Anna was the one who jumped from heights expecting her sister to aim perfectly and catch her in time, while Elsa was yelling at her to stop.

All of Elsa's lack of control came from her parents teaching her to be afraid. It was 100% a 'don't think about the white ape' situation, and just - no.

(The troll also contributed, I think I remember. Warning them about fear in a 100% misinterpretable way was one thing, but also how necessary was it to erase Anna's memories? She never even got to tell their parents that it was her fault and Elsa wasn't dangerous. She just got locked out of her sister's life out of nowhere. Do You Wanna Build A Snowman indeed)

just, no, what the fuck, what the fuck, nothing of that not even was necessary, but even helped a little bit or at least AS NOT ACTIVELY HARMFUL

(maybe Anna wouldn't have 100% fallen for the first boy she met and put him in charge of the kingdom without thinking if she'd been allowed to actually interact with people as she grew up, either)

tl;dr i love this song and this clip and wish tumblr video player wasn't so determined to lag consistently even  when it's loaded FUCKING GOD

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Great, people are still complaining about Frozen

Apparently, it hasn’t been said enough times, but look. You should really stop. Go watch the Sovietic version instead. I shit you not, it meets every single one of your demands.

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lilietsblog

The reason personally I am complaining about Frozen is BECAUSE I have seen this version and know what "better" is like.

Let's be real, an old soviet cartoon won't ever be as influential as a new aggressively marketed Disney movie. People on tumblr may watch it as per our recommendations, but little girls that need to see themselves on the big screen? They won't even hear about its existence. Except maybe little girls in post-soviet countries, and I'm not so sure about even those. Yes, there are like 2 tv channels that show old cartoons, and that's how I saw it, but I haven't seen, say, merchandize for them - like, backpacks, copybooks, clothes - you know, all the stuff that helps kids hold on to their preferences and showcase them to the world.

This probably sounds really confused and unintelligible, but my point is, the existence of this old adaptation should NOT stop criticism towards Frozen. Really, there is no reason why it should

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Anonymous asked:

What do you think about Frozen? Frankly, I don't get the hype, but my friends are all obsessed with it. Still.

Well, I’m not very much into fandom, and generally speaking I only get the edges of it when people explode over something.  From what I understand, most of the problems with Frozen are with how much undeserved fangasming it’s getting, and since I haven’t paid much attention to that I’m just sort of “meh?”

I liked the movie, but I don’t think it’s really breaking any barriers.  I think my favorite criticism of Frozen boiled down to “it tries to elevate itself by making fun of the stereotype of a Disney film, while ignoring movies that don’t fit the joke, so that it only has to put one toe over the progressive line to look better in comparison.”  I think that’s pretty apt.

I’m still gonna sing along with Let It Go every time it comes up, though.

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lilietsblog

Another problem with Frozen is that it took a fairy tale with a shitton of female characters, cut out most of them, and added male characters instead. Granted, it also cut out one male character that was there originally, but... seriously. Why did Christoph have to be there? To make sure that the girl not be left ALONE after deconstruction of Prince Charming, lest this accidentally become ALSO a deconstruction of the /actual/ Disney formula of boy+girl?

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re: frozen - it's definitely far from perfect, but I feel like when framed against the other popular movies around as a whole, it represents a step in the right direction. any progress is good, right? even if it's not groundbreaking, it strikes me as worth acknowledging for that much. not more so than the other movies that do as much or more, but...

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I'm not an expert on Disney movies, but as far as I understand, complaints from people who are, like feministdisney, are that it is a step in the WRONG direction compared to movies like Mulan, Tangled, Brave, Princess and the Frog, and so on. One step forward, two steps back, so to speak. Not to mention whitewashing and appropriation, which contained nothing positive whatsoever.

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zero-massani

So, I watched Frozen (finally, just to understand more about the Elsa & Anna storyline in OUAT S4) and I kinda liked it. I just got a little disappointed that the “act of true love” that was supposed to save Anna didn’t came from a kiss with Kristof, but hey, hurray to family values!

Now I’m gonna rewatch one of my favourite animation movies of the last 5 years, MEGAMIND. ♥

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lilietsblog

I'm about to feel bad about this probably

but hey look somebody got BUUUUURNED

"disappointed that the act of true love didn't come from a kiss with Kristof" well I am disappointed that Kristof even was there as a character, in the original fairy tale the girl kicked ass and took names all on her own, with occasional help from other girls

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I love how Hans is all subtle and Anna just CRASHES into him.

Does Anna even know how strong she is? I mean, she hit a wolf away with a lute. She just batted it away like it was nothing. And then she punches Hans flying off a boat. He archesArches.AND LET’S NOT FORGET SHE JUST ACCIDENTALLY THROWS A BUST FAR AWAY LIKE IT’S NOTHING. HOW STRONG IS THIS GIRL?

People also forget that she pulled kristoff up a cliff and pulled a tree down to hit marshmallow in the face… this girl

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yamino

Anna born with superstrength and her while life her parents just told her she was clumsy and ordinary.  They didn’t want to deal with another weird superpowered daughter.

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vixianna

Headcanon accepted! Anna has super strength and Elsa has Ice Powers. They’d make a great crime fighti- wait…haven’t we seen that before?

HEADCANON DEFINITELY ACCEPTED NOW

Strength? Ice? SIBLINGS? Guys, you’re missing a thing:

Do you wanna throw the Mjolniiiiir? Or cross the Bifrost to Midgaaard?

*SNERK*

I CANNOT HANDLE THE CUTE OF ELSA AND ANNA AS THOR AND LOKI :D

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lilietsblog

headcanon accepted

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lilietsblog

So, uh, the best thing about this is not the google translate lyrics (as I know from experience, when you use Russian as a base and a result, you get way more hilarious results from just one transition there-and-back) The best thing about that it THIS GIRL'S SINGING OH MY GOD EVERYONE LISTEN RIGHT NOW. It's gorgeous. Here's the lyrics: Lit white snow on the mountain tonight, No visible legs, Discrimination law Is probably the queen. Rotating the wind is howling storm, They cannot do that, god knows I've tried. Do not let them, do not let them see, It is always a good girl, Hide, do not feel, do not know, Well, now you know! Give up, Give up, You can not do it back in, Give up, Give up, Tune in, and slam the door. You do not care What you're saying, Let us very angry, Cold never bothered me. It's funny how certain distance, How small is everything, And the fear is that once guided me They do not know me at all! Now is the time to do Limitations and improvements, challenge! Well ok, I have no power, I am! Give up, Give up, I am the wind and the weather, Give up, Give up, Will never see me cry. For it We will stay here The storm is raging... Flurries of my ability in the air into the ground, My large circle fractal freezing, Explosive idea is crystallized ice, I never will go back, The past is the past! Give up, Give up, On the rise for radiation, Give up, Give up, It runs perfect woman. I'm here, The light of day, Let us very angry! Cold never bothere me anyway. The original lyrics as I could remember/hear them because I'm too lazy to look them up: The snow glows white on the mountain tonight, Not a footprint to be seen, A kingdom of isolation, And it looks like I'm the queen. The wind is howling like this swirling storm inside, Couldn't keep it in, heaven knows I've tried. Don't let them in, don't let them see, Be the good girl, you always have to be, Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know, Well, now they know! Let it go, Let it go, Can't hold it back anymore, Let it go, Let it go, Turn away and slam the door. I don't care What they're going to say, Let the storm rage on, The cold never bothered me anyway. It's funny how some distance Makes everything seem small, And the fears that once controlled me Can't get to me at all! It's time to see what I can do, To test the limits and break through, No right, no wrong, no rules for me, I'm free! Let it go, Let it go, I'm one with the wind and sky, Let it go, Let it go, You'll never see me cry. Here I stand And here I'll stay, Let the storm rage on... My power flurries through the air into the ground My storm is spiraling in frozen fractals all around, And one thought crystallizes like an icy blast: I'm never going back. The past is in the past! Let it go, Let it go, When I rise like the break of dawn, Let it go, Let it go, That perfect girl is gone! Here I stand In the light of day, Let the storm rage on! The cold never bothered me anyway.

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myed89

Oh Hans.

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ging-ler

oh no please im not supposed to feel bad for him but

Okay first if all how dare you

No but like, this would have been an incredible backstory. Especially with the whole being the youngest sibling thing and the always forgotten about stuff, it would have been great to see this played out in the movie. Like, even at the beginning. Imagine a short scene at a ball before the accident happened where Hans’ family is there and Hans tugs on his mom’s dress because he’s too small to reach the sandwiches on the table and his brothers won’t help him and his mom just laughs with the other royals who then walk away and then she leans over and says this.

MEANWHILE ELSA AND ANNA ARE USING ELSA’S POWERS TO GET THE CHOCOLATE DOWN FROM THE DESSERT TABLE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THE CHILD TRAUMA/ABUSE HAPPENING ACROSS THE BALLROOM

This was one of the things I was annoyed about in the movie, actually.  Of course, because Anna fell in love with another dude, Hans has to be evil.  That’s the way that Disney (and other kids shows, let’s be fair) ties up ‘love triangles’.  People can screencap frames where Hans blinks wrong all they want, but I thought it was really out of left field- and yet 100% predictable because Kristoff exists and it’s an easy way to tie off that thread.

You know what I would have loved?  I would have loved a Hans who wanted to love Anna.  Like, a Hans who had to marry her and be with her for power reasons, inferiority complex reasons, literally ALL THE SAME REASONS, but instead of being completely, predictably, villainous in it, I would have liked it if he wanted to love her, but he just didn’t.  Just couldn’t feel that way.  If he leaned in and kissed her and nothing happened.

He pulls away, Anna looks up at him in horror, and it’s still a lie and still a betrayal, but instead of having the black and white Hans and Kristoff, you’ve got a little more of a human element- motivated by greed and ambition and therefore still somewhat reprehensible, but ultimately sympathetic.  More assassins from the weasel guy try to kill Elsa, Hans maybe helps them out of spite because he can’t marry Anna now, and at the end of the movie, he goes home to a family who doesn’t have space for him- and maybe Anna and Elsa ask him to visit and he goes to escape from that and finds friendship rather than the romantic love he was looking for but he realizes that all he wanted was someone to appreciate him and HAPPY ENDINGS FOR EVERYONE OKAY why not that Disney, huh.

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teamponytail

OMG that was EXACTLY what I wanted to happen when I first watched the movie (I was spoiled beforehand) and I was SOOOO disappointed when they went the full-on Evil Fucker route.

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lilietsblog

I actually left the room when watching it with my brother (I do that a lot with movies) because it was OBVIOUS Hans’ kiss won’t help her, it went against everything that happened and I was glad that it was because this movie and Disney in general need more sister love. But I hoped it would be Hans kissing her and it… just not being true love. Meeting someone who understands you and can be a friend for the first time in your life oh and also they are opposite gender =/= true love. Elsa understood that without suspecting Hans of villainy, and the villainy wasn’t really needed. Although it drove the point of “don’t instantly trust someone you have literally just met with everything” home pretty nicely… I still wanted it to be the way described here

I agree that it would have been pretty great for something like that to go down… If this movie wasn’t still supposed to be understandable to children. Maybe Pixar wasn’t giving kids enough credit, but it’s important that kids can be capable of seeing the point of the film. They made it more obvious because kids don’t know to look for that.

Well, I just wish the point they were making was less "some guys are bad" and more "sometimes there is no villain". They were doing such a good job of keeping the movie villain-less, like there was that one Weaseltown guy but he was a joke and the events would probably have unfolded exactly the same without him, and Elsa is not a villain and not even an antagonist in any meaningful sense of word, and their parents don't exactly meet the traditional definition either... And then BAM - "oh right, we were making this confusing for kids, they need someone to hate HERE HAVE HANS". Even though the whole mess isn't his fault and his villainy was kinda accidental to the whole thing, the only real impact on the plot he had was enabling Anna to save her sister and thus herself. Nah.

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