Does the fact that alt Calliope has blacked out eyes mean that black eyes are just what dead cherub eyes happen to look like instead of it signifying a half-dead state like Sollux (meaning the half-dead not not fully dead Callie theory might not fit anymore), or mean that the martyr choice or whatever 'killed' this Calliope put her into a half-dead state/she's not "dead" yet either but waiting to sacrifice herself to help Our!Callie?
Alt!Calliope is also an entity that is a not dead cherub that exists in the dreambubbles, Just like Calliope, so it’s hard to tell, there both sort of in the same boat currently, just one is Alpha (Our Callie) and one is not (AltCallie)
Alt!Callie isn’t dead, she predominated, she’s just from a doomed timeline right? Did they say she straight up died? or just doomed? I mean she is God Tier so she can’t be dead dead yknow what I mean? (unless she does something heroic like sacrifice herself for our Callie)
that’s a good point about the martyr choice though, we still don’t know exactly what a Martyr’s “Death” entails
so I think at this point it’s still to hard to say for sure what it means :?
the choice of the martyr that alt!callie most likely choose was in part to “give up ambition (i think that’s what it said) and accept death (100% sure this part is accurate)” meaning that yes, alt!callie is dead, and yes, alt!callie is from a doomed timeline
right, but Caliborn’s choice as the conqueror meant he would go out and conquer, as he does as LE, meaning it would take a while for him to do that yknow? its not like and insta thing that he becomes, more like a promise of something he will do
I was wondering if Calliope was the same way, part of the choice was to accept death, but does that mean she died yet? or that she will die? Is the choice also like a promise to live out life a certain way? as in she made her choice, she will accept death, but just hasn’t quite yet. The same way that Caliborn chose the conqueror and thus solidly promises to live his life as the conqueror, not he just becomes a conqueror yknow what im getting at?
That seams a more apt thing for a denizen to do, to give you a Choice, and then once you choose you go out and do the thing, the Denizen doesn’t make you, that’s the whole point of calling it Your Choice
well we only see caliborn conquering when he is LE, but in the vines the representation of future-not-quite-LE!caliborn was kinda dominating on the alpha kids in the fight. And this would essentially be the dude who got his ass handed to him faster than a dude on butler island by John Egbert. You can argue that john con swole as much as you want but the fact remains if he was THAT strong he could probably take condy by himself. However we don’t know for sure and it could be that she and he are promising to do the thing later in their life, but it doesn’t feel that way to me, just personally.
true, and then someone else also mentioned Typheus boiling John that one time like it was no problm
idk I just feel like the Martyr choice should be a bit more special or dramatic, like a personal chosen sacrifice done on your own terms for something solid, rather than a vague, dying now will allow you do to a thing later maybe, i get thats the more passive option and more fitting, but i feel like more personal agency should be put into something like that. like the effect would be stronger if she knew exactly what she would be sacrificing herself for, instead of just trusting the denizen that your death will be cool for the universe, promise
more personal feelings than anything i guess tho lol
i just feel like the Martyr choice not being shitty would go against the themes of homestuck and what we know about the cherubs (alt!callie didn't predominate properly either)
