- Lilia once had a fling with Carmilla, from the lesbian vampire novel. She absent-mindedly mentioned it one time while Billy was browsing 'queer classics' and he looked at her in absolute shock. “What? I wasn't *always* a hermit—” “That's not what I'm shocked a b o u t—”
- Lilia is very irresponsible with what she eats, sometimes forgetting food all-together, never checking for expiration dates, etc. (“I don't mind a *lapsed* expiration date-”)
- Jen has taken it upon herself to fix that. She won't let her go grocery shopping alone and she won't let her eat whatever. Your girl makes shopping lists and schedules specific meals for every day each week, to make sure her resident scatter-brain stays healthy.
- Jen and Alice vent to each other a lot. Mainly because they provide each other with very different, but also always very honest and objective perspectives. Jen reminds Alice to put herself first on occasion and Alice reminds Jen to give others the benefit of the doubt sometimes.
- One day, the Kaplans asked to have coffee with the coven, which made Billy incredibly nervous. Mainly because Agatha wasn't making it easy in the slightest.
- Sharon managed to save the day, against all odds. She took them to the side for a bit and comforted them, explaining that she herself is just a regular lady, but she's grown to love the others regardless. And so the Kaplans gave the coven a second chance and ended up finding them rather endearing despite their constant quarrels.
- Rebecca Kaplan gets a private moment with Agatha. She tells her that she's sorry about Nicholas, and that she almost knows what that feels like, because she almost lost her son. Then there's a pause, and she adds, “... well, not almost, was it?” by herself. Because a mother always knows.
- If it was about anything else, Agatha woulf have mocked her. She didn't. She looked at this woman who's lost her son, but can't mourn him, because he's right there with her—and she nodded empatheticaly. There they stood, two mothers of boys who died, filling the void in their hearts with Wanda's son. And they don't love him any less.
- “I'm glad he has you ladies in his life. At first I was... Apprehensive, worried, I guess. But at least he has some people who can relate to him more, understand him, mentor him. Because his father and I—he needs more than what we can give him.” — “Well, you're doing something right. You've already given him the most valuable thing. And for that you are his parents, you always will be.”
- When Rebecca Kaplan realises Alice is Lorna Wu's daughter she freaks out completely (since we know she was a fan, having gone to her last concert.) She hadn't made the connection before meeting her personally, despite hearing about her a lot from Billy.
- The fake car that Agatha distractedly entered in the first episode was built by John Collins (Herb) at Sharon's request, as 'Agnes' had been trying to break into Sharon's car and use it for her crazy episodes. They got worried that she'd get herself hurt, so they made her the fake car to make sure she wouldn't leave her house.
alice didn’t believe in tarot before meeting lilia on the road, but now she helps the older woman out with her shop and sometimes indulges in getting her own tarot read.
Halloween season is over but i am still here 🎃
By the way, since Lilia experiences the entire timeline at the same time and not linearly, she's known her coven for her whole entire life, all 450 years of it—even if she doesn't realise it until the end.
They've always been there, because the flow of time is an illusion. They've always been with her. And as she reads her tarot spread, she realises it.
They're her family.
They always have been.
The gaps finally filled it.
She didn't die in a fake reality to save a group she'd known for 24 hours.
She died to save a group whose presence she's felt in her heart for hundreds of years.
Whose presence she lacked, like a memory she couldn't grasp. Nostalgia she couldn't quite place anywhere. Nostalgia for something you've never even had.
Because she had them.
In the future—she always had them.
And she was always going to protect them.
And even in death—
She's still with them.
Still fighting to protect them.
So yeah, this is my own personal Westview in which everything's fine, everyone's good and they're all living peacefully together leave me be🥲
I know my inner Wanda is showing, but I need so much therapy after Agatha all Along and this is the cheapest option. Look, they're having a cookout!
OP. OP, you have my heart. My heart and soul. I will sob, op. Save me OP-
pov: yet ANOTHER colour-coded witch comes to disturb the peace in your TOWN, and yet ANOTHER maximoff creates yet ANOTHER fake reality and accidentally kills yet ANOTHER elderly neighbour whose surname is DAVIS 💜
(part 1, here.)
(part 3, here.)
- Lilia Calderu is really adamant about not liking Madonna because she's “dead behind the eyes.” Naturally, Agatha responds to this by telling her she slept with Madonna in the 90's and blasting her music at random intervals.
- Lilia also has a deep-rooted hatred for Andrew Lloyd Webber that she never once elaborates on. Rio just responds by, “preach,” making everyone wonder how the hell either of them even know him.
- Agatha had an insane situationship with Dolly Parton, who's also a witch by the way. Jolene is a protection spell for herself & her husband. Hilarity ensues.
- Lilia has age-related farsightedness but she's also just always been severely nearsighted. So, my girl is really struggling with the combo—and she always asks Alice or Billy to read things for her.
- Jen makes personalised perfumes for each of them. Except Agatha, who claims she'd “water Sharon's azaleas with it.”
- Alice and Jen frequently send each other pictures like, “thoughts?” “and prayers girl”
- Sharon knits!! Lilia also knits!! Knitting buddies!!
- Jen and Billy go to yoga classes together. She also drags him along to strike business deals, because he literally left her speechless when they first met and she hasn't forgotten how good he is at getting his way.
- Alice and Billy go to gigs together, because they have the same exact music taste.
- Billy works at hot topic and Alice tells him all about her experience in retail. She trains him, if you will. He still ends up quitting a few months later.
- Agatha always cheats at board games, but they still play with her. Of course, they all call her out—and she completely denies it, even if it couldn't be more obvious. She'll literally steal money in fucking monopoly.
- Things get HEATED over board games. It's usually Jen, Agatha and Rio who get really into it and start yelling and flipping tables like maniacs. Somehow, despite that, it's always Lilia who actually wins. Which is fine, because none of them are mad at her—whereas if any of them won, the others would be out for blood.
- “I thought we were playing a game, not fighting... 😔” -> Sharon, probably. She still doesn't understand the rules. She just brought snacks.
Billy v Death.
In the comics, a version of Billy Kaplan created a UNIVERSE. He is The Demiurge. He is basically a GOD.
His ONLY weakness is his insecurity and doubt. If he believes something, it becomes reality. A long as he believes he can do something, he can do it. (If he subconsciously wishes or believes something... you get it.)
If he believes he can defeat Death, he can do it.
If he believed Sharon, Alice, or Lilia could have survived, they would have. Just jump scared and sat up in those body bags metaphorically, you know?
But he's just coming into his power. He doesn't really understand it. Would it even occur to him that he could heal them? Subconsiously creating a magical dimension based on a song... crazy. Believing you could bring someone back from the dead would seem... impossible.
I would argue that Wiccan/Billy Kaplan/Billy Maximoff/The Demiurge is actually more powerful than his mother.
(Fix it fic idea: Imagine Billy just... has a dream; Sharon, Alice, and Lilia are alive. And in his groggy, sleep addled, just waking up brain... He believes it. SO THEY ARE ♥️♥️♥️)
Random thought: Jen was a midwife, yes? And her and Agatha have a history of mutual dislike—but Agatha respected her for her craft so much as to spare her.
How devastating would it be if, maybe, just maybe, Jen had been the one to deliver Nicky? (I assume based on the canon that they technically didn't know each other yet, but just bare with me for a second. Both of them, if I'm not mistaken, are from Massachusetts—Salem and Boston respectively, so they probably met pretty early on regardless.)
Imagine Jen meeting Agatha just as that—a mother in labour, in need of help—and helping her so, healing her, and handing her newborn son to her, to hold for the first time. She didn't much like the woman—not only because she was obnoxious—but also because she would have heard tales of the witch-killer who murdered her own coven after breaking their rules. But at that moment, none of that mattered. She had a Hippocratic oath to keep. And since Jen didn't know Rio at all, she would have assumed that Agatha was alone in all of this.
Then one day she hears of the witch-killer again—learns that she “sacrificed her son for the darkhold... ” And that she “goes after the undeserving,“ stealing magic from witches with her terrible syphon power.
And so she runs into her again, and again, each time convinced it'd be the last—because Jen would never stop provoking her for sacrificing her baby boy. The 'one thing in her life that made her redeemable.' But Agatha spares her. She leaves her alone, because “what you were doing was important. Not this Kale Kare crap, your real job.”
And how many more layers does that line gain, if Jen delivered Nick? And how nicely does it tie in with her being the one to warn Billy about how “Agatha sacrificed her son for the Darkhold.”
Okay so OBVIOUSLYYY we saw Nicky be born in episode 9 but REGARDLESS, still think it could have been interesting. I mean, generally speaking, I feel like Jen was sort of mishandled. Sasheer does an incredible job portraying her emotional journey but the thing about “Agatha being the one to take her power after all” felt very out of nowhere. I expected her to get more screentime in these episodes since she's the path ahead—to finally make up for her trial not quite feeling her own. It's still interesting how Agatha found a way to take her power WITHOUT killing her, because “what she was doing is important,” but I still think she was done a bit dirty. I expected a bit more Jen.
But then again, I also expected Agathario backstory on how they met, before the Nicky stuff. And I expected more romance than a “kiss of death” for the sake of saving Billy. Though I do feel like Agatha sacrificing herself for him to live is a natural development for her character. Her helping him to save Tommy and admitting he reminds him of Nicky was very sweet.
I did genuinely enjoy many parts of the two part finale. The acting, for one. I think they were all marvelous. Aubrey plays “crazy” well, very well. Kathryn is always amazing and expressive and just brilliant. Sasheer was wonderful in the little time she had, and Joe also did great this episode.
I did love seeing Alice again. And seeing Jen's reaction to Lilia staying behind—and her deep desire to save the other two. (I'm disappointed it didn't lead up to anything but I get why.)
And I also loved how in her battle with Rio, Agatha does three things: she uses the same protection spell as Alice, the same healing spell as Jen, and “hits the deck” as Lilia told her to do. I loved that she hated her "spirit" magic for not being able to—protect, (alice) heal, (jen) her son, or foresee (lilia) when death would come back to take him.
I loved all the Nicky stuff also. Feels like she was trying to buy him more time by killing witches, and the one day they didn't do it, he died. I do like ghost-agatha as a mentor to Billy, since it's a nice homage to the comics with her being a ghost mentor to Wanda. I liked the call-back to “coven two.” I liked the Road being Billy's creation, and the backstory we got on the ballad—the only real road being the one Agatha walked with her son—heart, who she buried. ("All roads lead to me") I loved Lorna Wu writing her version of the ballad to protect her daughter just as Agatha wrote hers with her son. And in it she planted all her gried for not being able to save him. I loved how Agatha preferred being feared and hated rather than pitied and understood, even to the last moment of her life. How she buried her vulnerability and let everyone think she sacrificed her son—her son, who she lived for. Because not being able to protect him, for her, was far worse than the former.
I loved Rio giving Agatha more time with her son. I loved it still not being enough. I love how she repeated, "i need more time," in the last trial. I loved how it wqs practically Nicky's choice to pass on, how he held death's hand in his—because he could no longer stand to watch his mother kill for survival. I loved Rio being gentle with Agatha and Nicky, Rio being unable to understand why Agatha didn't want her. Why she kept evading her, even after Rio bent the rules for her sake. I loved Nicky kissing Agatha's forehead twice—as if one was for him and the other for Rio, because Rio couldn't do it herself. Because Rio is Death—and nobody yearns for death, even as Death yearns for the living that she cannot touch.
I feel like we could have gotten a bit less Billy stuff and a bit more Agathario stuff, or we could have found out how Agatha got the Darkhold. But also—the story wasn't about that. The story was Maiden, Mother, Crone. And that referred to Agatha. Rio was an important part of her life, but sshe wasn't her life. Her life was her son, who she killed for—who just like Billy and Tommy, came from Scratch. He came from her love, and only that. Even as Death couldn't hold her, their love was so strong that no incantation or spell was needed. Just like how Billy and Tommy are the results of Wanda's love for Vision, even as she couldn't hold him or feel him anymore.
And I just can't be mad about it. Honestly, it's not like we got cheated out of the sapphic stuff. I would have liked more agathario just as much as the next person, but the show was unapologetically queer and Agatha never shied away from talking about how much of a lesbian she is and how Rio is her ex. I didn't watch the show only for their relationship, I watched it for the characters. I watched it because above all it's one (or multiple) hell of a character study (/studies, because Alice and Lilia were also handled brilliantly. rip queens.)
It feels like a lot of things were left underdeveloped for the sake of setting up Wiccan for the young avengers. Like, I am super worried the rest of the mcu will forget Jen, and also not give a shit about the rest of our dead witches. But as a standalone? I loved it, I genuinely really did.
Agatha, the spirit witch, is forever stuck haunting the narrative. (literally) And I surely can't be mad about that.
I noticed that Alice—the one who lost her mother—is very protective (ha-ha protection witch) of the older members of the coven. She pulls Sharon out of the mud and she goes pick her up in the kitchen. She's the most torn about Sharon's death and volunteers to dig her a grave, (with teen! the other edgy emo youth whose life changed at thirteen and who has an immensely complicated relationship with his family history, his ties to wanda, not knowing what she's sacrificed for him and holding so much anger just like alice didn't know what her mother sacrificed for her and holding so much anger. but i digress.) And she's also protective with Lilia, generally. She grabs her out of everyone when Rio starts crawling out of Sharon's grave. And during her trial, when the curse hits Lilia—after drawing the protection circle, she immediately goes and holds her close to check if she's okay. She obviously also protects Jen, twice, (both in her own trial and agatha's), and she saves Agatha, (Alice, who's alive only because of her mother's love and finally knows it, lays down her life to protect Agatha, who never had her mother's love as she instead had a mother who wanted her death even now.) And she protects Teen too, her best friend within the coven and main source of parallels as previously mentioned, during the broom-bonding-thing when he's attacked. Protecting people is what she does, period, as a protection witch. But I can't help but notice how very gentle she is with Sharon and Lilia. They share such sweet moments, between Alice telling her that her mom sold the catalog to keep the house when Lilia came to check on her and Lilia telling her the beautiful “sad is better than angry” in the bonfire.
Alice is a child who takes care of people, who puts others before herself, who matured too fast, who cares too much. Alice is a child who searches for maternity, who sees her mother—sho she couldn't save, or protect—in older women, but also in everyone else. And so Agatha might have been wrong in thinking that she was searching for her mother in the road—when practically she needed to be saved from the curse—but in doing so, didn't she “find” her mother anyways? didn't she find thr truth about lorna? and didn't she find in her coven the family that she was missing all these years, brief as it was?
The road healed her. And I think that—even if she knew that saving Agatha would have caused her death—sbe would have chosen it a thousand times over. Because that's who Alice is.
The Protection Witch.
whatever you do, don't think about the implications that come with agatha all along's witches existing as a queer allegory.
don't think about lilia rejecting her power, repressing it, “putting it away.” about how passionate she was about not adhering to witch stereotypes because witches aren't a monolith, when at the end she dies with a smile in the clothes of a stereotypical witch—“i loved being a witch,” she says, having embraced every part of her identity. don't think about how, “it's better to be a hermit. to be a fraud—” because she's afraid of being close to people—and don't think about the fact that what she truly yearned for above all else was community.
at the end of the day, it's a show about marginalised people taking back the power that was stolen from them and learning to count on each other.