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Hello! I am KJ, and this is my Tumblr. You may also know me as Owlmoose. Here you will find cute animals, fandomy things (mostly Critical Role, Dragon Age, and Marvel these days, but some Final Fantasy as well, plus other things that catch my fancy), and political stuff. Unrepentant liberal and feminist.
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Guardians of the Galaxy 2

We saw it. It was fun with some issues, very much on par with the first movie. If you liked the first movie, you will probably like this one. A few unexpected twists in the story, along with many predictable beats, but that's not really a bad thing in this case. I'd say it's the MCU film that feels the least connected to the main movie storyline, although it might tie in more later, depending on what happens in Thor 3 and the next Avengers movie. The main thing that mars this otherwise lightweight film is a theme of abuse that runs throughout the film. The movie revolves around family, both found and birth, which is usually something I like, but many of the relationships are abusive in one way or another. It would be one thing if I thought the filmmakers had introduced the topic intentionally, in order to make a statement, but I suspect that it was mostly accidental. Ana of The Book Smugglers wrote an excellent article on the abusive way that Drax treats Mantis, and that's just one example. Cut for major spoilers. ) I have other concerns about the movie (Mantis as the subservient empath was maybe not the best choice for one of the very few Asian actresses in the MCU; Gamora as the joyless scold, a role too often reserved for the only woman on a team; Drax's literal mind and lack of tact being played for laughs, when it was often hurtful toward Mantis and others -- I had that issue with the first movie, too, and as a result Drax is one of my least favorite MCU characters), but I don't want my comments to come off as relentlessly negative. As I said above, I had fun at this movie, and I look forward to seeing more not just in this franchise, but to see it drawing stronger connections to the rest of the series. Most of the cast is fun and charming, and I was particularly glad to see Karen Gillan get much more to do than in the first film. I laughed a lot (even as I was sometimes cringing), and the vibe in the theater was good, and it definitely brought the feels. So I do recommend it (unless abusive parenting is a significant trigger for you; then maybe proceed with caution). x-posted from My Dreamwidth Journal | Feel free to reply here or comment there

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rathe

OK, but I partially disagree with this headcanon, and here’s why:

1) Bruce is totally playing Gamora. You don’t think Bruce Banner has played Dungeons & Dragons before? Bruce Banner has absolutely played Dungeons & Dragons before. He played all through high school and college and when Bucky announces the campaign Bruce jumps at the opportunity because he just misses it so much (mostly rose-tinted nostalgia goggles but). So he sits Bucky down and asks him for every bit of info he can on the setting and spends a whole night with a pot of tea drafting up the five-page backstory for his space assassin and her family tree and her struggle with her relationship with the villain and comes to Bucky with a fully-ready character sheet and a list of things Bucky will need to OK before Gamora hops in.

Bucky quietly resolves to integrate as much as he can into the story, mainly because Bruce came up with some better ideas than he’d had.

2) Tony is definitely playing Quill, because Tony has never played D&D before. You don’t get to be where Tony Stark is in life and have much free time. He does what a lot of newbies do and bases a character on himself, or at least the parts he likes: clever, snarky, pre-’90s musical taste, beds space babes, heroic sometimes probably. He wants to be cool but has no idea how to be cool within this context (“My character’s name is Starlord.” “What? Tony, no.”). He hogs the spotlight all the time (all the time) but clearly has no idea what he’s doing and when someone who seems like they know what they’re talking about gives him advice he always takes (“I’m going to need that guy’s leg.” “Seriously? Alright” *Rolls to grapple*).

Quill’s backstory is primarily Bruce’s doing. Tony just handed it in with a “yeah whatever’s on there.”

3) Thor is playing Drax but didn’t join until a few sessions in when he tagged along and decided it looked like fun (“THIS PLEASES ME! ALLOW ME TO JOIN YOUR TALES OF ADVENTURE!”). He definitely needed help constructing his character sheet, but he had no problem coming up with a character. Bucky asked him what he wanted to play and got that glint in his eye and responded “I WILL FORGE A HERO WORTHY OF THE ANCIENT TALES OF ASGARD.” And he put a lot of thought into Drax, both in personal history and personality. He’s mostly modeled on Thor’s favorite Asgardian folk heroes, with some personal flaws and quirks thrown in that Thor thinks are interesting.

Of course Thor doesn’t really understand the game part of it, he’s in it for the story (“Thor what the hell man there’s no way we can take on Ronan at this level!” “AH BUT THINK OF THE THRILLING DRAMA OF THE MOMENT DRAX AND RONAN MEET AGAIN!” “We are all going to die.” “AND IT WILL BE A THRILLING TRAGEDY!”)

4) Steve is absolutely playing Rocket but what started as a complete joke ballooned into a fully fleshed-out character with a tragic backstory. Steve’s an artist, he’s a creative guy and little too creative for his own good sometimes and bouncing his ideas off of Natasha turned a simple joke into a more elaborate character dynamic than even Bruce’s. He trolls Bucky a lot and it’s even better for Steve when he really gets into Rocket’s character and plays up the drama, partly because Bucky can’t tell if he’s joking or not.

5) Somewhere in the brainstorming session, Steve and Natasha decided that Rocket has a partner who is a talking tree. Natasha pitches this idea completely straight-faced to Bucky and after the fiasco of Steve’s character idea Bucky’s just too tired to say no to the tree-man. Natasha gives him a bit of a backstory and how Rocket and Groot got together and it sounds pretty solid, so whatever, tree-man can stay.

Then when all the characters get introduced Natasha just hovers over Tony and puffs out her chest and says in her deepest voice: “I am Groot.”

And Steve snickers and nobody has any idea why.

A session later Natasha is responding to everything Tony says with that same deep “I am Groot.” and Steve goes blue in the face trying to hold in his laughter and Tony cracks and the game has to pause for 10 minutes while Nat and Steve recompose themselves.

Nat also has a better grasp of the rules than Bucky realized and completely tweaked her character into being able to do basically anything she can justify. And it’s all right there in the book, Bucky can’t even argue from a rules standpoint. They’re only level 5 Groot shouldn’t be essentially bulletproof but through some loophole in the rules, yep, there it is.

Natasha Romanoff is trained to exploit weaknesses. Of course she’s a total munchkin.

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scrawls

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cacopheny

I reblog this every time it comes across my dash. it’s the best :D

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Caveat: I’m a little hesitant to even write this, because I’m not sure I’m right.  I’ve only seen the movie once, and I didn’t go into it my critical analysis goggles on.  So it’s entirely possible that this isn’t an entirely coherent take on Gamora.

But, that having been said, I don’t think I’m wrong to be confused by reviews or meta that blow Gamora off.  I mean, it’s actually a little difficult to find something to say just about her role itself, because it seems so straightforward.  Once you realize that her goal is to stop a pair of genocidal monsters from getting their hands on a superweapon, pretty much everything she does makes perfect sense.

Not that there’s no meat to the role, mind you.  It’s just that her behavior isn’t muddled or mysterious or whatever.  I mean, she’s a grown-up child soldier in the service of a death-worshipper who’s still found it in herself to take a stand against an overwhelming force.  She’s got nothing but herself and her wits and whatever dregs she can manipulate into helping her, and she’s voluntarily going up against a warlord who gives an interstellar empire’s homeworld defense forces a run for their money even before the doomsday device comes out.

It’s brave, and it’s desperate, and she pulls it the fuck off.

Her motives aren’t made perfectly explicit, but look at Nebula’s response to roughly the same situation.  Gamora revolts in the face of worse odds and tries to keep the stone away from both Ronan and Thanos.  She’s trying to take the doomsday weapon out of play.  Presumably this is fueled by a personal desire for revenge, though there’s an equally presumable sense of altruism guiding her strategy.  When Nebula sees the chance to make Thanos pay and take her own revenge, her response is a stark contrast.  Ronan can give her what she wants? Let’s burn this mother down, then.  She’ll set a thousand worlds on fire to get her shot.

And Gamora’s doing all this essentially on her own.  She can’t just call up the Nova Corps and go “Hey, guys, I’m actually trying to be a better person and so here’s the deal.” They want her dead.  Thanos has everyone she knows so fucked up that she can’t even get Nebula to do it her way once it becomes apparent that they want the same thing.  There’s no chance of recruiting from the ranks of people she already knows.  She’s fucked from the start, and that doesn’t stop her from not just trying but actually pulling it off.

Like, oh, you want revenge?  Great.  Get in the spaceship.  We’re gonna go get revenge.  Oh, you want money?  Great.  Get in the spaceship.  We’re gonna go get money.  Oh, did I forget to tell you about the fine print?  Surprise, motherfuckers, we’re gonna save the galaxy too.  Get in the fucking spaceship.

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barbeauxbot

You’re totally right. I think the problem is the movie didn’t really spend a lot of time on explaining Gamora or why she’s doing what she’s doing, even though she’s the one person out of the team who’s really on a hero’s journey. 

Also she spent a lot of time getting damseled, which is irritating. Not that a woman needing help from a man to get out of a bad situation is by nature a bad thing, but A. she’s supposedly the deadliest woman in the galaxy and… she can’t protect herself. At all. She needs to be saved multiple times. And B. the tables are never turned. There’s no real moment where she goes out to save Peter the way he saves her. Anyway, I’m digressing.

I think Gamora got short-changed in a big way by the narrative and her story got overshadowed to the point where I can understand why people overlook her. Which is aggravating, because you’re right. IT’S A GREAT STORY. But there was so much else going on and the movie cared way more about the men on the team so what she was doing got overlooked in a big way by the movie itself and then the audience.

It’s a shame. 

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