Let's Play Social Justice

characters with only a few panels/scenes and ZERO DEVELOPMENT getting labeled as cis because of how they look is annoying

cis isn’t neutral/default

instead of forcing trans people to out themselves and putting themselves in danger, i propose everyone who considers all trans people undatable for whatever weak fucking reason has to announce that when they meet someone new so that way we can weed out the weak 😏

my mother was reading aloud an article in the newspaper about a transgender woman working at our local sam’s club, and how the staff there was referring to her as a “thing” and an “it”.

i said it wasn’t good to dehumanize someone, even if you don’t like them.

she laughed, and said “they do it to themselves”.

this is real transphobia.

what transphobia is not, is someone believing that we have a medical condition, and dysphoria is the defining factor of what it means to be transgender.

just some food for thought.

they’re both transphobia

being transgender isn’t a medical condition, and dysphoria isn’t the defining factor of being transgender

the whole point of dropping ‘gender identity disorder’ in the DSM was because there are transgender individuals who do not suffer from dysphoria

gender dysphoria became the medical diagnosis, which makes sense because there are transgender people that do not suffer from gender dysphoria - either because they have taken steps to ensure they no longer suffer from this or because they never did to a significant extent (a significant negative impact on your mental health is required for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria)

restricting treatment pathways for trans people because you don’t like the way their condition presents is unconscionable 

if you don’t have dysphoria, then how are you trans? if you’re comfortable with your body, then there’s no point in transitioning.

the only realistic way of a transgender person not having dysphoria is if either

a) they’ve transitioned already, thus alleviating their dysphoria.

or b) they’re in denial.

trans people don’t exist only at the point of ‘transitioning’, a word which can mean many different things to different people

i personally don’t have dysphoria any longer because i took steps to mitigate that dysphoria, but i’m still trans - i don’t stop being trans just because i went on HRT etc. and don’t have dysphoria anymore, and honestly, there was never that much dysphoria to begin with

don’t you ever just get that feeling where someone uses the right pronouns for you, or uses your name, or something changes about your body and it just feels good and right and how it’s supposed to be?

that’s how i navigated it all. i could probably have existed without transitioning, but i’m happier as a guy, and i realised that by taking steps and feeling right about those steps, not necessarily because i felt awful before

i never said anyone didn’t exist, i hate when people use that “oh so i don’t exist then” argument when someone disagrees with them. no one is denying your humanity here.

so you transitioned. good for you, i’m glad you’re not dealing with dysphoria anymore.

but what’s frustrating to others is the fact that there are people who have absolutely no dysphoria, usually “trans boys” (i say this in context, don’t misunderstand), who like running around in dresses and lingerie and showing off their secondary sex characteristics, and then getting angry when people call them a girl.

people like this actually make it harder for those really struggling with dysphoria to access HRT and other treatments, because the doctors don’t believe them. this isn’t “gatekeeping” or whatever else they call it, it’s they’ve been dealing with fakes, and they’ve been giving treatment to people who in reality don’t need it. it took my friend over six months to get his T prescription because his therapist wasn’t sure, and that’s only one example. there are several cases i’ve seen here on tumblr as well.

it’s like saying someone feels like they have a broken bone, so they put a cast on. someone may ask what happened, but they say “oh no i’m fine i just like how the cast looks”. they make being transgender look like an accessory, a joke. in fact this is one the major reasons why my family isn’t accepting because they don’t take transgender people seriously, as people who manage to make it into the public eye make us look like a joke. they claim “we’re not hurting anyone!!!” when in actuality they are, we want to be treated as people, not clowns. and that is not society’s fault.

look, this line of thought starts leading to some serious shit. i have literally never encountered the kind of caricature that you’re painting (and i’m knee deep in the trans community, both offline and online) but even if that person does exist, it doesn’t matter. you’re making it sound like there are legions of these trans people trying to access medical treatment but it’s incongruous, it’s just not true

it’s hard for trans people to access treatment because of cissexism, not because some people are pulling away from binary gender presentation. i could wear a dress and that doesn’t change the fact that i’m a guy, any more than it would for a cis guy

you want to know what it’s like here? there’s a 2 year waiting list in the UK to even SEE someone, and yes that’s frustrating, but it’s due to chronic underfunding of trans medical care and a system that’s designed to make you jump through hoops, and even if they cut off people who don’t conform to gender roles then that wouldn’t even come close to addressing the problem

do you REALLY think that’s going to change because you’re targeting a very small subset of trans people for not presenting in a way you like? or for not experiencing dysphoria in exactly the same way, or in a way that you approve of? we should be encouraging people to think about their gender, not shutting them down

i just don’t see what you have to gain by rigidly enforcing this. you can’t seriously believe that you’re going to get faster treatment if you’re mean to trans people (usually teens) on the internet who are experimenting with their gender presentation

I disagree. Just because you transition doesn’t mean your medical sex changes and the whole thought process is extremely dangerous because there are many severe illnesses that only affect one sex or the other and you don’t suddenly stop being affected once you transition.

I’m confused. Name one illness that only affects one assigned gender? Cuz there is not a single one. Some are more likely in one assigned gender than others but once you’ve gone on hormones that changes. So… please enlighten me?

@yourresidentginger69 This is bullshit, and as a trans guy on HRT treating me the same as a cis woman could be detrimental to my health as a lot of dosage differences are based on hormones, not on the gender you’re assigned at birth. Even then, these things are incredibly unlikely to come up in emergency medicine, and if it’s not an emergency then they have time to look at your file and realise that you are, in fact, a trans person and have associated risks.

Please don’t spread this kind of misinformation, it’s really harmful because our health risks do not necessarily align with those of cisgender people. And even when they are, there are ways to tell your doctor that you’re trans without having to misgender yourself.

Unpopular opinion but there’s a certain layer of homophobia to bashing gay guys who aren’t into trans men, especially those who haven’t fully transitioned. Like if you feel you are a man I respect that and I’ll use all the proper pronouns and all the rest, but at the end of the day it isn’t as if I’m just attracted to the concept of men. I’m also attracted exclusively to male bodies, male anatomy. Hence the homosexuality. If I was capable of being attracted to feminine anatomy, there would really be nothing stopping me from dating women as well. So, yeah, being turned off by feminine anatomy isn’t transphobia, it’s just called being gay and it sounds awful rapey trying to guilt someone for not having a sexual relationship with someone else.

That’s a misrepresentation of the argument at hand, and also fairly misinformed. As a trans guy, there are plenty of gay guys who are attracted to me and I have a vagina (less of an issue than you might believe for many guys tbh, and for those it is an issue for, I’m not interested in you either).

But when people are talking about transphobia amongst gay men, they’re not talking about genital preferences (trans people understand that you may not want to have sex with someone with a certain kind of genitalia - hell, we can also have these preferences). Also, stop with the ‘female anatomy’ shit, my body is male because I am male and honestly trans bodies are incredibly diverse so this really stops making any kind of sense.

We’re talking about excluding trans people as a whole.

1) I guarantee you’ve been attracted to trans men without even knowing we’re trans. We don’t have ‘trans’ plastered to our forehead, you have no idea unless we tell you.

2) Trans men do not all have vaginas, so if ‘vagina’ is your issue and you’re making the assumption that all trans men have vaginas, that’s an issue.

3) Pointing out that you’re being transphobic isn’t rape or gay bashing.

1.) I didn’t state all trans men have vaginas. See my note on pre- transitioned men. 2.) those gay men who are A- okay with vagina may not be entirely gay. There is a spectrum and a lot of men don’t fall on one extreme or the other (gay or straight). Again, if I could be okay with vagina in the sexual sense, I could thus easily date women (Cis or trans). 3.) Political correctness aside, there’s a thing called biology. Vagina is female anatomy. You may not identify as a woman mentally or emotionally, but unless you go through all the surgeries and hormone treatments, your body isn’t going to be on the same page as your brain. Gender is a social construct but biological sex is not. 3.) and yes, I have been interested in trans men. But the thing they all have in common is that they’ve gone through enough of the transition process that they’ve become indistinguishable from any other male.

You completely missed the point. The argument was never that you have to be attracted to vaginas, the argument is that saying that you’re not attracted to trans men is transphobia. You’re re-framing the argument as a genitalia thing, which is what always happens, when it was never about genitalia.

Also, you don’t get to coercively re-define gay men’s sexuality because they’re attracted to trans men, what the fuck is that? Gay men who are attracted to trans men ARE GAY. You don’t get to re-define them as bisexual. Trans gay men who are attracted to trans men are also gay. In fact, if anything is homophobic about this entire thing, it’s you trying to tell gay men that they’re not really gay.

Again, the issue with sex is that it’s not some biological truth, because no one can seem to agree on a definition. And I still don’t have ‘female anatomy’ (which doesn’t mean anything anyway), because I’m a guy.

Well, if I ever do meet a trans man who has not transitioned and I feel attraction toward him (and his body) I’ll keep an open mind. If anything, that experience will tell me that I could be with cis women, since the lack of any sort of arousal toward their anatomy is literally the only thing keeping me from ditching men altogether and being with women. If personality matches were enough for a mutually beneficial romantic and sexual relationship, I’d be set, but alas…

The issue I am having here is that you feel attraction toward someone before you start taking their pants off (indeed the attraction usually aids in getting to the point that pants are removed, at least with people who aren’t asexual).

Like I said above, you have undoubtedly felt attraction to trans men (yes, even ones with vaginas) without even knowing they are trans.

Some of us have penises, some of us don’t, but framing attraction based on genitalia isn’t nearly so clear cut as you seem to want to infer, and trans bodies can be incredibly varied and ‘transitioned’ can mean a lot of different things.

Unpopular opinion but there’s a certain layer of homophobia to bashing gay guys who aren’t into trans men, especially those who haven’t fully transitioned. Like if you feel you are a man I respect that and I’ll use all the proper pronouns and all the rest, but at the end of the day it isn’t as if I’m just attracted to the concept of men. I’m also attracted exclusively to male bodies, male anatomy. Hence the homosexuality. If I was capable of being attracted to feminine anatomy, there would really be nothing stopping me from dating women as well. So, yeah, being turned off by feminine anatomy isn’t transphobia, it’s just called being gay and it sounds awful rapey trying to guilt someone for not having a sexual relationship with someone else.

That’s a misrepresentation of the argument at hand, and also fairly misinformed. As a trans guy, there are plenty of gay guys who are attracted to me and I have a vagina (less of an issue than you might believe for many guys tbh, and for those it is an issue for, I’m not interested in you either).

But when people are talking about transphobia amongst gay men, they’re not talking about genital preferences (trans people understand that you may not want to have sex with someone with a certain kind of genitalia - hell, we can also have these preferences). Also, stop with the ‘female anatomy’ shit, my body is male because I am male and honestly trans bodies are incredibly diverse so this really stops making any kind of sense.

We’re talking about excluding trans people as a whole.

1) I guarantee you’ve been attracted to trans men without even knowing we’re trans. We don’t have ‘trans’ plastered to our forehead, you have no idea unless we tell you.

2) Trans men do not all have vaginas, so if ‘vagina’ is your issue and you’re making the assumption that all trans men have vaginas, that’s an issue.

3) Pointing out that you’re being transphobic isn’t rape or gay bashing.

1.) I didn’t state all trans men have vaginas. See my note on pre- transitioned men. 2.) those gay men who are A- okay with vagina may not be entirely gay. There is a spectrum and a lot of men don’t fall on one extreme or the other (gay or straight). Again, if I could be okay with vagina in the sexual sense, I could thus easily date women (Cis or trans). 3.) Political correctness aside, there’s a thing called biology. Vagina is female anatomy. You may not identify as a woman mentally or emotionally, but unless you go through all the surgeries and hormone treatments, your body isn’t going to be on the same page as your brain. Gender is a social construct but biological sex is not. 3.) and yes, I have been interested in trans men. But the thing they all have in common is that they’ve gone through enough of the transition process that they’ve become indistinguishable from any other male.

You completely missed the point. The argument was never that you have to be attracted to vaginas, the argument is that saying that you're not attracted to trans men is transphobia. You’re re-framing the argument as a genitalia thing, which is what always happens, when it was never about genitalia.

Also, you don’t get to coercively re-define gay men’s sexuality because they’re attracted to trans men, what the fuck is that? Gay men who are attracted to trans men ARE GAY. You don’t get to re-define them as bisexual. Trans gay men who are attracted to trans men are also gay. In fact, if anything is homophobic about this entire thing, it’s you trying to tell gay men that they’re not really gay.

Again, the issue with sex is that it’s not some biological truth, because no one can seem to agree on a definition. And I still don’t have ‘female anatomy’ (which doesn’t mean anything anyway), because I’m a guy.

ok whats my gender then if nonbinary isnt a gender

Gender non-conforming?

I honestly don’t care how you identify but I believe that Amy gender identity identity that you don’t need to transition to should be considered trans.

ok why does GNC work better as a “gender” than nb does 

also yeah im nonbinary and im “transitioning” as you would consider it (poppin pills etc.) 

What are you transitioning to?

i put transitioning in question marks because it implies i am becoming nonbinary when rly ive always been but ill take the bait 

by your definition of transitioning i would like a more androgynous appearance

I personally believe that nondypshoric trans people  are trans and you dont have to go the traditional route of “transitioning” to be trans either but for gods sake ive got really bad dysphoria that is making me pretty suicidal and also im taking homrone’s pills so even by your weird limited definition im trans 

You didn’t answer the question. What are you actually transitioning to?

And also you obviously need dysphoria to be trans. If we allow non dysphoric GNC people to call themselves trans the word loses its meaning. Your argument allows somebody like Jennifer Lawrence to identify as a man. Still play women onscreen. Dress walk talk act like a women. Never transition and still be classified as a man. If that doesn’t at least cheapen the word I don’t know what doesn’t.

Well this is a shit show

If you’ve got dysphoria, you’re trans. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a man, a woman, or something else (agender for example).

Since nonbinary just means not being a man or a woman, then your gender won’t match your sex (male or female) so bam you’re trans.

Many nonbinary people don’t class themselves as trans, especially if they’re not taking hormones or getting any surgery, but by definition all nonbinary people are trans.

If you don’t have dysphoria, you just like dressing and acting certain ways, you’re gender non-conforming.

‘Transition’ is not just from one sex to another; there are various types of transition, and various extents of transitioning. Some people may only want hormones and chest surgery, so they’re technically ‘transitioning’ from their birth sex to a mix.

There are a lot of problems with this but the only one I even give enough shits to point out is that plenty of binary trans people opt out of bottom surgery, and they’re not a “mix”. There is no transitioning to a mix. If you go on T, you’re gonna look, smell, and sound like a man. Not a “mix”

No, that’s not how it works. The existence of non-binary people does not necessarily have to reflect on binary transition. As a trans guy who hasn’t had bottom surgery, no one is implying that I am non-binary just by existing as a non-binary person who is on hormones (or not).

Non-binary people do not necessarily want to be a ‘middle’ or a ‘mix’ and have identities that can exist entirely separately to male & female (or can be a mix, or can lean heavily toward one gender).

As a trans guy, I consider my vagina to be male.

A non-binary person could consider their voice, looks, their smell, their genitalia to be non-binary. Just because YOU are gendering these things does not mean that they automatically have to be, or should be, gendered that way.

He just started this. Can’t watch it, but I’m sure it’s filled with misinformation. -B

ugh

THE HER APP IS SUCH A FUCKING MESS. WHY ARE THEY FEATURING A MAN FOR TRANSGENDER AWARENESS WEEK. THIS IS A DATING APP FOR LGBTQ WOMEN.

WHAT KIND OF FUCKED UP LOGIC MADE THEM MAKE THIS CHOICE INSTEAD OF A TRANS WOMAN. I AM SO MAD. WHY ARE YOU CELEBRATING TRANS AWARENESS WEEK BY LOWKEY IMPLYING THAT TRANS MEN ARE WOMEN/WELCOME TO WOMEN’S SPACES.

Am I missing something here. Can somebody explain this bullshit. EVERYTHING HER DOES MAKES ME REGRET EVER FINDING IT.

what the fuck. if this is a dating app for women... why are they featuring a trans guy?

seriously, what you said, this is low key implying that trans men are ~actually women~

i mean he’s a very handsome fella, but what is he (and the her app) playing at?

the ultimate irony is when someone tries to school a trans person on what the word ‘transgendered’ means

that’s not even a fucking word

“Take a course if you want to talk about [being trans] in a meaningful way”

THAT PART FUCKED ME UP LIKE YOU ARE TRANS WTF

gotta get my fat trans ass on a trans course before i can start with the transcourse

You can say no to dating or sex with a particular person for any reason you want, and people will have to take your no for an answer, but if your reason is “bi people are icky and I hate them”, then you’re a biphobe. No one is saying you have to sleep with a bi person but you’re still a biphobe if the only reason you won’t is because the person is bi.

We’re not saying you can’t say no. We’re saying you have biphobic attitudes that are showing themselves in your dating preferences.

i know this post is specifically about bi ppl and i’m not trying to hijack but i run into this problem so much when i point this shit out across the board

the above also goes for any other problematic ‘dating preferences’

if the reason you don’t want to date someone is ‘cos they’re black, fine, no one is forcing you, but it’s still racist

if the reason you don’t want to date someone is ‘cos they’re trans, no one is saying you have to, but it’s still transphobic

if you don’t want to date someone specifically because they’re disabled? you don’t have to, but your reasoning is ableist

i run into this so much with similar posts i make - no one is saying you have to sleep with, or date, ANYONE, but if you’re eradicating an entire oppressed group from your dating pool for no other reason than they belong to that oppressed group? yeah, that’s a shitty reason and you need to think about that

Nope. Can’t let this stand so I’m jumping in right now.

Examples that don’t work:

If you’re straight and you don’t want to date the same sex? Not homophobic.

If you’re a cis-gay man and you don’t want to date a trans-man? Not transphobic.

If you’re a straight woman and you don’t want to date another woman? Not misogynistic.

If you’re a gay woman and you don’t want to date a man? Not misandry.

If you’re asexual and you don’t want to date humans or living things? Not a  misanthrope.

Look, here’s the fucking argument: If you’re homosexual, that means you are NOT turned on by the oppose SEX. If you’re heterosexual, that means you are NOT turned on by the same SEX. And SEX is not something you get to identify with. SEX is something you are born with. GENDER is psychological, SEX is biological. AND THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

Literally the only reason TRANS even exists is because SEX and GENDER are different and SEX does not define GENDER. You literally have to accept that GENDER is different from SEX to even begin talking about TRANS issues.

If the whole fucking point of being accepting of sexuality is to accept that you cannot control what kind of body does or doesn’t  turn you on, then you can’t sit here and shame people for not being sexually interested in someone who falls outside of the boundaries of their sexuality, EVEN IF THOSE TRAITS BELONG TO HISTORICALLY OPPRESSED GROUPS.

You want acceptance. It goes both ways. Having normative sexual preferences DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BIGOT. Insisting that being normative is somehow equal to oppression just weakens your side of the argument.

Does it suck that your biological body is just unattractive to a group of people due to their sexuality and there’s nothing you can do about it? Yes. I sympathize. But if you think people can just will themselves to become sexually attracted to anyone and look beyond the biological, then the argument can get turned back right at you for not doing exactly that and adhere to the norm. This is literally the same argument that straight people have been using to deny the existence of gay people and is what the LGBT movement originally was trying to counter act. Is that the kind of argument you really want to be having right now?

woah, that moment when you follow someone one day and unfollow them the next jesus transphobic christ

there are plenty of gay men that are interested in trans men, or non-binary trans people. there are plenty of lesbians that are interested in trans women, or non-binary trans people. coercively defining their sexuality because you are misinformed about trans people is… really bad

being trans doesn’t exist because sex & gender are different (in fact they’re often used synonymously), and in many ways sex is as much of a construct as gender is as it’s defined in different ways by different people.

case in point, i have no idea how you’re defining ‘sex’ right now. are you basing it on genitalia? because that can be changed. are you basing it on secondary sex characteristics? because those can be changed. are you basing it on chromosomes? because most people don’t even know what theirs are.

sex assigned at birth is generally based on genitalia, but assuming you know what’s going on in a trans person’s pants is… wrong, and transphobic. trans people have incredibly diverse bodies.

you can have ‘normative’ (whatever the fuck you mean by that) sexual preferences and still be attracted to trans people

in fact this whole rant from you just comes across as ill-informed and sadly kind of hateful

no one is saying that anyone has to force attraction to anyone (literally the point of the post), but if you’re ruling out trans people as a whole because you’re making assumptions about what our bodies look like… then yea, that’s transphobia.

Jesus fucking christ.

Transgendered literally means “of the opposite gender”. Opposite of WHAT. Of your SEX. When your SEX and GENDER is opposite, it’s called TRANS. When your SEX and GENDER is the same, it’s called CIS.

Fucking take an actual course on trans issues if you want to talk about it in a meaningful way.

Edit to add:

If you don’t understand that just because sex is non-binary does not make it a social construct, then there’s no way for you to understand how the word “transgender” even works.

Yes, there’s 3 ways to define sex: genitalia, chromosomal, and hormonal, all of which can fluctuate. That doesn’t change that it’s still not a social construct.

“Take an actual course” BUDDY PLS

LPSJ is trans. I am trans. We both know more about being trans than any goddamn course could tell us.

“Transgendered” is not a word. Nobody can transgender. “Transgender” is an adjective. People are transgender.

The actual definition of the word “transgender” is “a person who was assigned one gender at birth and identifies as another gender”.

You still never explained what you mean by sex. In fact, you didn’t address anything LPSJ said to you, and I think he explained his points quite well. Instead, you keep angrily typing bullshit and capitalizing random words and accusing trans people of not knowing what we’re talking about. Are you cis? Cause you sound like a cis person who doesn’t want to listen to a damn thing that doesn’t contradict your own transphobic views.

Quit making assumptions about trans people’s bodies. Quit insisting that your uneducated viewpoint is the only correct one and everyone else must have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. And get off my post if you’re going to keep this up.

also i have no idea where this person got the idea that ‘transgender’ means ‘opposite’

trans is a latin prefix for ‘across’, ‘beyond’ or ‘through’

like you said, the definition of transgender is someone that that does not identify, either fully or partially, with the gender they were assigned at birth

goes back to angrily eating fried rice