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Killian Whump

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a blog mostly about Colin O'Donoghue and Whump
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If you’re a CSer who loved S6/7 CS and can’t handle folks who didn’t love it and/or people having differing opinions, please scroll by this post.

Now. I woke up this morning doing some thinking on S6/7 Emma and the issues some of us have with her and with CS in those seasons. And me being me, I like to come up with in-universe theories to explain away writing/filming mistakes and goofs and things I just plain don’t like. I was looking at events at the end of S5 (Jekyll/Hyde/serums) for answers, but then I saw a GIF post from 5A’s Dark Swan arc and realized I needed to look further back for a theory...

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I’m sort of wondering if the scene Rose was talking about is Hook convincing Alice to leave. Because we know she and Robin end up in Storybrooke (we still don’t know why, but they do), and I can absolutely picture it being difficult for them to accept having to abandon the people they love (ESPECIALLY Alice walking away from her father right now), no matter what the reason.

Mmm, but Wish Hook was shown in the promo looking totally well and saying that Captain Hook is ready to go home. We also see him jumping through a portal with Rumple, Henry and Regina. So he’s not being left behind. He’s going adventuring with everybody else, no worries!

I think we’re either gifted with a quick hospital scene… or maybe there’s some other whump with a bed afterwards… or (and this is most likely) the emotional part of the stretcher scene got cut from episode 7x20.

Also, Rose might’ve just been talking about the part where she has a sad, forlorn look on her face and Robin is comforting her. Since they set the whole montage to Henry’s essay, it makes sense that sound wasn’t an issue - and Colin was free to make zombie noises at her the whole time she was trying to be sad.

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Imagine what both Rogers’s and Tilly’s cursed memories have to be in order for them to latch onto each other so readily. He’s wanted to go to the ocean with loved ones since he was a child—an easily attainable goal in Seattle—yet he’s never visited. Not just with a romantic “special someone” but any special someone. Tilly has spent who knows how long speaking to the people around her without almost a single one even going as far as remembering her name. 

What sorts of childhoods lend themselves to these characters and their indescribable loneliness? What sorts of false events shaped him into a man who is waiting, waiting to visit somewhere he keeps painting until he finally has someone to share it with? What kind of experiences does she have where she understands that a shipping container is the only place she has to go, but she’s hoping someone, anyone, can recall she visits them daily without so much as a wink of recognition?

Gothel likely orchestrated all of that, by the way.

Remember in 3x11 when Regina admitted that no one under the original Dark Curse HAD to be miserable? She’d made them that way. And similarly, she gave Henry and Emma good ‘cursed’ memories of a happy life together.

Which means the caster of the curse (and in this case, the curse was more of a group effort) can determine the memories of the people being put under the curse.

And I think Gothel did so. Obviously, she did so enough to guarantee Rogers was “programmed” to obsessively look for her. It would’ve kept him distracted from accidentally doing anything useful, but also assured her  freedom from Belfrey (who, remember, was never in control in the first place - they just let her believe she was - meaning Gothel willingly allowed herself to be “imprisoned” by her, knowing her “white knight” would be coming to rescue her).

And if she did that... What else would she have done?

Look at how well Gothel manipulated Rogers in that interrogation scene. She obviously knows exactly what buttons to push and how to push them... because she programmed all of those emotional wounds and issues, herself. I don’t think she put that level of personal detail in anyone else’s histories... but Rogers and (most likely) Tilly? Oh, I think she most certainly did.

And with Tilly, it’s likely the same game she played with the tower, itself - cutting the “pure hearted” guardian off from humanity in an effort to keep them pure. In Rogers’ case... Oh, I think she just likes to watch him suffer :)

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I guess Emma will also be playing the younger version of her character as well since there is no one else listed for a young Gothel. I wonder what it is life altering decision wise that Tilly makes when Rogers life is threatened. I don't want to sound like an idiot but i'm a bit confused with the Lucy portion of the Henry and Jacinda thing in the release.

I’m afraid I have zero fucks to give about Gothel’s backstory.

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Nothing they say or do is going to change what she is. And I don’t even think they’re trying to, but…yeah…I’m with you on not giving a fuck. I know she doesn’t die on Friday, but I’m just going to be wishing she was the entire time…

All I want to know is why she needed Alice to stay in the tower after she seemingly got all she needed out of her when she was born, and needed it so badly that she poisoned Killian to ensure it. I need to know why she’s hurting my bebs like this, aaaaaaaand that’s about all the information I need from her before

I think this just may be a villain where we get no bigger reason. She’s just fucking evil. Classic Disney villain, except worse.

I give no fucks about Gothel and furthermore, the less I have to see of that rape apologist Emma Booth on my screen, the better.

My running theory from a while back was that she knew that Alice was the guardian and wanted to keep her trapped to have some kind of leverage over Rumple. I feel like if the reason she’s going after Rogers and Tilly in HH has to do with the guardian business, I could definitely buy that that was her motivation for keeping Alice trapped in the EF.

What she wants from Rumple? IDK it could be to take him off the chess board so to speak as someone who could stop her, or she could be trying to blackmail him into helping her by kidnapping Tilly…

Basically, she is damned fucking evil, but I’m hoping she has an evil a plan instead of just doing things just to screw with people at random! Like I already know I’m going to get vicious satisfaction out of her demise, but I also want to feel a sense of relief that some plan of hers has been stopped at the brink by our crew!

She’s looking for the Guardian and has been all along. When she was messing about with Rapunzel in the tower, she made it pretty clear that she was “testing” her to see how pure her heart was… and Rapunzel ultimately failed that test when she poisoned Ella’s mother. THEN Gothel wanted to put Anastasia in the tower for the same reasons… but was tricked into trapping herself there instead.

With all her talk of “purity” and the fact that Anastasia and Alice have both pinged her radar for whatever-it-is she’s looking for, I think it’s safe to say that something is the Guardian. It’s pretty evident from things she’s said that she (a) doesn’t seem to identify herself as human and (b) holds humans in VERY low regard. I believe her tower is intended to keep the “pure hearted” Guardian from being tainted by humanity’s inherent wickedness.

…which is why when she realized Alice herself turned out to be pure of heart, she returned and tested Hook. After all, it defeats the purpose of keeping someone cut off from humanity’s ills when there’s a big ol’ problematic human living in the tower with them. Had Hook passed her test and proven himself a “pure” human, I think Gothel would’ve left them be - although she likely would’ve kept testing him, as she did with Rapunzel, until he inevitably made a mistake (as humans always do). In fact, for all we know, that duel may not have been her first test for him - it’s just the one he happened to fail.

I’m interested in finding out WHY she needs the Guardian and the full coven, but nothing she’s done has been random. It’s ALL been done to attain those two things. And considering how close we are to the end and the immortality issue presented in 7x18, I suspect that with the Guardian and the coven working together, perhaps she can harness the purified darkness and transfer it from the Guardian to herself - thus allowing Rumple to be freed from the dagger without Alice being saddled with immortality.

My guess is that she is some sort of otherworldly being (nature deity, nymph, etc) who was stripped of her divinity and immortality and is looking to get it back. A lot of her behavior is actually not entirely malicious so much as… completely lacking in any kind of empathy for humans and their petty problems. Same as how humanity has, for centuries, used and abused animals for their own purposes, because they’re “lesser” creatures, I think Gothel sees humans similarly, and sees nothing wrong with using them as needed.

Now, whether the show pulls a “she’s not evil after all” and lets her take on those powers or if they simply dispose of her and the other characters use her plan and gathered resources to transfer the magic and immortality to someone more worthy… I guess we’ll find out. But that’s my theory :)

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I honestly just assumed Kelly and Roni shared a last name so...

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Yeah, I was just thinking that.

Since they’re sisters in the cursed world, and neither of them have married yet (as far as we know) in that world... Then Roni’s last name could be West.

However, since they’re only HALF sisters in reality, sharing a mother and not a father, if that element is the same in their cursed memories, as well, they likely have completely different last names.

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Okay, but, seriously, I have a big problem…

Roni nolastname

whomst Rogers

whymst Weaver

Tilly howmst

AND THEN THERE’S

Kelly West and Nick Branson

You guys still don’t have full names for them???

Roni Shots

Vivian Rogers

Wisdom Weaver the third

Tilly Tiptop 

Roni Regal

Rrrrrr Rogers

Wumple Weaver

Tilly Towers

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Definitely reading what I can from the promo’s psycho notes like I’m some sort of detective. 

OK so what I can see. There is a visible part of the margin on the previous page:

To where … comparable to AMPLIFYING STORES OF KNOWLEDGE

This is a […] Event that took place more than 30 years […] in the past.

Travelers are […] the most […] worthy […] due (to) their lack of fixed ACCESS

CHECK THE MAP TO THE DISTANCE

Then the next page:

(from bottom, clockwise:) […] pretty […]could

HIDDEN DO THEY SEE

He called his family for help but yet has time to hide THE EVIDENCE

Never found

For a husband ho’s wife was missing he was ODDLY CALM

he didn’t like it had to do with WHAT HAPPENED

“[…] THE TEAS”

PAIN

[…] and doesn’t have poison or a PLACE to GO

And the last page (from top clockwise):

She was a drinker and read a book

HER BROTHER NOT A Friend! (see?)

father to join him as it had a [PACKAGE] overly confident DEAL

[windows] framed […] house - the type of home people with money strive for

DON’T THINK ABOUT IT THIS MUCH

YOU CAN’T

ROSES=POISON The Flowers in the Garden 

FALSE! (NOTHING) GET RID OF (HER)

(BETRAYAL)

She Assured them HE was the REAL DEAL

WHERE DID THE MONEY GO

Didn’t this [boy?] found him ARROGANT, COCKY and only made decisions

IDK this is a creepshow imho

“ IDK this is a creepshow imho “

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Anonymous asked:

Colin and Rose filming in Storybrooke. Now I legit need reunited and happy WishHook and Alice with Robin to run Gold's shop in honour of Weaver.

YES. And I absolutely cannot wait for this:

OG Hook: Emma, bring the little lass over to meet the other me.Wish Hook: Starfish, come here and meet my other self!OG Hook: I’d like you to meet the newest Jones…Wish Hook: This is my little rook, my daughter…Both at the Same Time: …Alice.

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We haven't actually talked about the fact that we're gonna get a scene with Hook/Rogers lying on a bed, weakened from his poisoned heart, while Alice/Tilly watches worried. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IT SHALL WE

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LET’S DO THAT, MY GOOD FRIEND!!!

Do you think it’ll be in the flashbacks or in Hyperion Heights? Could be either, really. I was angling towards Hyperion Heights, just because of the use of the word “bed” and it seems like they were all about piles of straw with furs tossed over them in the flashbacks. But then that would still be called a bed. And now with the set news of a flashback scene with Colin screaming… at least, we think that’s Colin screaming. It sounds like him.

Aw, man. We have some goooooood shit coming our way, don’t we?

THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

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Yes, I thought about it being in HH too, because of the use of the word “bed”. I’m imagining something like, Rogers and Tilly were touching - anything, like, a handshake, a hair ruffling, or a friendly hug - and the curse breaks, magic is back and everyone gets their memories back. And an awakened Rogers is pushed away from an awakened Tilly, and it’s time for PANIC!

Or perhaps even in flashbacks… an accidental touch that made Alice even more scared of going closer to him…

I have this thought that there is, like, a certain amount of times they can touch until Hook dies. We’ve already seen it happen twice, it’s probably gonna happen a third time… what if the fourth time is the one that’s supposed to do it?

Or something. Really. Idk.

And anyway YES this video has me so hyped! I can’t believe I recognize Colin’s scream XD I can’t wait to watch that scene on my screen! It’s gonna be awesome indeed!

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Duh, sorry but after the number of time i’ve heard that video, I swear this is Colin . Or I’m not a good fan XD alsoooo now that we know Tilly is gonna go home with Rogers….

What if, the curse is weakening and by so, Tilly being like half the day with Rogers home ,omg HOME GUYS! HOME, it makes him weaker and weaker and taht’s how at some point she find him on his bed, almost dying ? And then what if the part where Rogers is screaming in the woods is like the curse is broken and Gothel just use that to idk kidnap him and hurt him so the heros come and save him and fall into a trap and idk but fluff it’s gonna be good

ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think we’ve got at least one more poisoned heart flashback due to us… because I suspect the first thing Alice did once she was out of the tower was seek him out - and she probably found him easily enough, because I don’t think he’d be staying any farther away from her than he had to be.

Also, she was surprised by how young he looked when she saw him in 7x08, so she’d seen him older - probably when she went to seek him out after leaving the tower.

Mind you, I’m not much for Old Hook whump, but maybe an older Wish Hook, like a nice step between Silver Fox Killian and Old Hook? Mmmm… A silver-haired slightly roly-poly Killian who still looks after himself? Sign me up :)

And yeah, the outfit from the filming day was definitely Rogers clothes, but the rest of the scenery/extras seemed like Enchanted Forest stuff, so maybe it’s after the curse is broken…

OH, I’M JUST SO EXCITED :D S7′s been pretty good for whump :D

And goodness, he belted that one out for us :D So loud! You know, the more I see of this season, the more I think he knows about us… ;)

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We haven't actually talked about the fact that we're gonna get a scene with Hook/Rogers lying on a bed, weakened from his poisoned heart, while Alice/Tilly watches worried. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IT SHALL WE

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LET’S DO THAT, MY GOOD FRIEND!!!

Do you think it’ll be in the flashbacks or in Hyperion Heights? Could be either, really. I was angling towards Hyperion Heights, just because of the use of the word “bed” and it seems like they were all about piles of straw with furs tossed over them in the flashbacks. But then that would still be called a bed. And now with the set news of a flashback scene with Colin screaming… at least, we think that’s Colin screaming. It sounds like him.

Aw, man. We have some goooooood shit coming our way, don’t we?

THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

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OK so genuine question. Do we have any real incontrovertible proof that HH!Rumple is SB!Rumple and not Wish!Rumple? 

I’m wondering if they somehow combined together into a Super!Rumple at this point, given the nutty/scaly Rumple we saw before the curse was cast and how he bizarrely told Alice that the teacup would “wake Gold”...

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@timetravelingpotatoast reblogged your photoset: onceuponadaily: That woman’s life’s work is...

#not that i'm like #loving gothel or anything #gothel is the yuckiest #but i kinda want him to be in the circle of death at some point before this season ends #slowly being manipulated into joining or helping what he's so avidly against #due to his crushing lonliness #only to be saved by tilly at the last second #like dang #can you imagine

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Okay, so... Hear me out here.

The Olympian Crystal (or whatever that nightmare dildo was called) sent Robin’s soul to... someplace weird. Like, Hades said it obliterated it, but then there were feathers and stuff, and so it’s not entirely gone, just somewhere weird. And it probably did the same thing to Hades, as well, maybe, although it seemed to actually obliterate him and turn him into a pile of dust, so whatevs.

Peter Pan and Auntie Em both ended up getting obliterated by water from the River of Souls, and Milah and a bunch of other people all ended up in the River of Souls, which allegedly obliterated their souls and left them empty husks. But after Hades left, souls started coming OUT of the river, which Hook and Arthur observed as odd, and credited to things “changing” with Hades gone.

Okay, so that’s all canon stuff. You still with me? Okay, keep following.

In the Princess and the Frog movie, Dr. Facilier is what would be called a “bokor” - basically, a voodoo witch doctor who uses the spirits of the dead and zombies as key elements in their magic. Basically, they excel at turning live people into zombie slaves and capturing the souls of deceased people, which they keep in fetishes (no, not THOSE kinds of fetishes, these are sacred objects imbued with magic) to strengthen their own powers.

Catch my drift?

Basically, we have a bunch of souls in canon that have been ripped free or (wild air quotes) “obliterated” or otherwise decommissioned... and now a necromancer who works with trapped souls of the dead. Perhaps those “obliterated” souls from the Underworld didn’t go to such a strange place after all. Maybe, just maybe, they’re in Dr. Facilier’s various gems and knick knacks.

I think the rumors of a Regina/Facilier romance are a red herring. I think Regina is getting close to “Samedi” in order to get on his good side, possibly so that the curse can be broken if Facilier 'captures’ Henry’s soul when he dies from the poison, then restores his soul back to life with his magic (and possibly an assist from those eight witches).

And if this is something Facilier is capable of, and if he’s brought around to the side of “good” or offered something in exchange for his services...

He could restore Robin. Regina’s true love, and the best match for her to end the series with. (Yes, I’m a Hooked Queen shipper through and through, but even I have to admit that reviving OQ for the series ending makes more sense). Robin (the female one) would also be able to meet and form a relationship with her father - and Zelena’s redemption arc would be completed with Robin (the male one) acknowledging the fine job she’s done raising their daughter and having kept his memory alive for her (evidenced by her skill and training in Robin’s weapon of choice). His forgiveness for the wrong she’s done would be a fitting end for Zelena’s story of redemption.

But Facilier could also restore Milah. Much has been said on both sides about the idea of Rogers/Wish Hook having a love interest... but no one’s considered the possibility of him ending up with Hook’s original true love. Until he met Emma Swan and fell for her, Storybrooke!Hook couldn’t imagine ever loving anyone other than Milah. He loved her, passionately and endlessly, for centuries. Which means that a Hook who has not experienced any of the events from S2 on is likely still just as in love with Milah. And ending the series with her returning to his arms would be a perfect happy ending for Wish Hook. And, similarly to the Robin/Zelena finish, we could also see Milah learn of the true changes Rumple has made, how he even grew to care for and protect Hook’s daughter, and likewise forgive him for the wrongs he’s done to her.

And while Peter Pan’s return could be fraught with danger and troubles, it could also be a chance for Rumple to make peace with his father before he passes on. There’s also the prophecy about “the boy” being his undoing. Perhaps Peter Pan is the boy in question... and he will play a pivotal role in bringing about the death Rumplestiltskin is now looking for.

Just some thoughts...

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