I have such a massive problem with woman in fantasy being dressed in such impractical outfits for the pure sake of looking cool. genshin inpact has this problem too. The outfit dont have anything to the characters, nothing to tell a story or help in battle, it's just meant to be a pretty outfit. i have nothing against stylisation, stylisation is absolutely amazing and gives so much character, but "looking cool" just for the sake of looking cool isn't a good enough reason for this character to have absolutely no bodily protection during a WAR.

Hazbin was not good, the only character that didn't fall flat in every possible way was Angle. and even then we got absolutely no closure for his situation. Obviously u can't expect a whole show to be done in six episodes, but it's one season and the resolution wasn't even a resolution

We have so many more questions and absolutely no answers.

can we also talk about how trash the pacing was?? at any given point i had no idea how urgent the situation was, it suddenly jumped to one month being left and there where no signs anything had changed for the characters or world. It feels like first four episodes happen in a week, time jump to one month, time jump to a week, time jump to the day of. honestly the ending of the season would have been so much better as the series end in concept. give us Husk gambling for Angle's soul, it would feel so much more balanced and given us a realistic resolution.

Give me redeemable villains or give me death. All of the heaven-bros are fascists with no redeemable qualities. we get one, who is clearly meant to be the one we root for of the sara's, but her mom-thing is literally justifying racism so hard it's impossible to feel empathy for her.

the pilot is still CARRYING the plot and community even though it's not cannon and only 30 minutes

this series is kinda irredemable and i'm so sad about it

Dude the pacing was the worse part of the series, the series doesn’t let us actually breathe and let us process what’s happening in each episode without actually having to pause it.

And bc didn’t know the pacing was gonna be that ass, I felt like I probably had the biggest whiplash I had watching a series. And that never really happens a lot.

And also yeah I can honestly agree that the series gave us a lot more to be desired, and even when they do try give us something about the characters and the world building it just doesn’t make sense or just feels overall outta place.

And the fact that vivziepop claimed this show was supposed to be a “critique on Christianity” and yet the series just portrays heaven to be obviously evil with no subtlety JUST so they can have us sympathize with the demons even though almost all of them are just fine being in hell and just doubling down on what they did on earth is just… stupid imo.

I feel like it should really say something if people prefer THE PILOT more than your ACTUAL SHOW, was the pilot perfect? No, but it was definitely better than what we got for sure.

Honestly I can understand you finding the series to be irredeemable, bc honestly I do too. Even though I’m someone who wants to rewrite everything about this trash fire of a series.

It’s honestly sad that a series had such potential to be so good but yet what we got was this coupled with a creator that can’t take the slightest of criticism, it really is.

Idk if someone showed this already but incase no one has yet, here’s the image the anon was referring to!

He was originally gonna be a cross dressing gender fluid man that had female personas but it was announced in a desc that unfortunately it was removed by viv when she posted this speed paint

We were truly robbed from the idea of having a gay gender fluid char, it’s sad

Charlie Morningstar is probably one of the worst written characters I’ve seen in the series.

(This one’s gonna be a long one…)

Ok…. So I watched all six episodes and to be honest I’m pretty much pissed off by this character specifically. This might be more of a rant rather than a critique, so I do understand that not everything I say in this will end up being as constructive exactly but I genuinely need to get this off my chest, especially since she is a character I’ve specifically and recently been hyper fixating on before the show released…

(Side note: I realized the post was very long so, to have it be easier to read I added titles for each section! Hope this helps)

!!WARNING FOR SPOILERS FOR THE SERIES BTW!!

> Charlie lacks the qualities of being a main character.

Now besides the piss poor excuse of an introduction for her (and the rest of the cast) in the main series, I honestly question why exactly Charlie specifically is the “protagonist” in the first place (and I say protagonist with the biggest of quotes here, you’ll see why).

In the first episode of the series “overture”, we don’t really see much of her character, most of the time we’re shown screen time of Vicky (a nickname I made for v*ggie since I’m not gonna call her by her genitalia thank you) trying to make an ad for the hotel and even when we do get the screen time of her, she’s barely doing anything other than hearing viv’s self insert- I mean- Adam just go on and on about whatever he’s talking about.

And when Charlie does go on to explain her plan to redeem sinners she’s just interrupted and then stands there when they start singing hell is forever, she doesn’t “go off” like the hazbin Twitter says, she just stands there and then tries to say something only to get interrupted again and again and then gets pushed out of the meeting room before going back to the hotel to see it’s spread across in the news that the next extermination happens in 6 months.

Now although one might argue “Well didn’t Charlie at one point said in the show that giving orders is so mean?” Well yes but again, Charlie is literally the princess of pride ring, you would think that since her parents are literally rulers of pride, they would’ve probably teach her how to stand on her two feat, especially if your RUNNING A HOTEL. And the thing is, she has stood up and did so in episode 6 and the goddamn pilot (which is at this point is probably canon due to Charlie calling it the hazbin hotel instead of happy hotel), even going as far as to fight Katie Killjoy because she thought it was stupid.

Not only that but the episodes after overture, her screen time lessens until somewhat in 5 and 6. She doesn’t really appear that much in the between these episodes to the point where she feels like a supporting character rather than a protagonist. And when she does get screen time, she’s either forgettable at best and infuriating at worst.

> Charlie’s character is poorly written and just dumb.

In the episodes past overture, she’s literally rock solid stupid that I literally screamed in real life multiple times “you’re a fucking idiot” because of how frustrated I was from what she was doing, In episode 2 she literally trusted sir pentious to go to her hotel even though he almost destroyed her place and in episode 6 thought it was a hunky dory idea to let a person who literally exploded buildings to take charge of giving her employees a “good time”. Yes it could be played off as her being naive but if she’s that naive of a person then maybe she shouldn’t be a boss of a hotel to rehabilitate sinners.

Heck, in episode 4, Charlie gets pissed off and turns into her demon form because val literally started hurting Angel when he followed him into the room (and rightfully so) but when angel tells her to leave and drags her out of the studio, she’s just in her normal form and fucks off??? Reminder she’s literally the princess of hell! She could beat the shit out of val if she wants to, why did she just fucked off after angel had her leave?

“But Kat, what if something bad happens to angel if valentino dies?” Like what? If it was explained that if an overlord dies then the sinners that made a deal with them die too or something like that then yeah, that would make sense but we don’t know that whether or not that’s the case, if anything angel could be just fine after Valentino dies but we don’t know that.

And even when Charlie had the opportunity to go out there and apologize to him herself after he stormed out of the hotel, she and Vicky just send Husk to do it. And I have to ask, WHY? HUSK didn’t know what was happening to Angel earlier. HUSK wasn’t at the porn studio that Angel was working at. CHARLIE WAS….

“Well Kat, what if Charlie was scared about making things worse?” Fair enough, but again sending Husk is a stupid idea, I feel like it would’ve AT LEAST made sense if she sent Vicky out there. Because Charlie didn’t know if husk could fight (if you could even call it that, all he did was throw cards at people), BUT SHE KNEW VICKY COULD THOUGH. But nah we gotta do it for the ship right?

And then Charlie had the gull to be crying that angel forgave her after she fucked up, like shut the fuck up… it’s like if viv looked at a bunch of chars that had the optimistic care-free ‘ish personality and thought that meant making her as pathetic as a baby crying that they didn’t get a lollipop from their mommy.

Like I’m gonna be honest with you, it’s literally gone to a point where I think Orel Puppington (aka the 11 yo Christian kid who worships Jesus and gets harmful lessons from other Christians) makes a better Charlie Morningstar than the Charlie Morningstar herself!

And that thought is justified when he tried to go help people in Sinville, “Kat he ended up turning into a pimp at the end of the episode” yeah but AT LEAST HE TRIED TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING! Which leads me to another question….

> How is Charlie gonna redeem sinners exactly???

Like honestly, I’m serous with this one. How is Charlie gonna redeem these guys?

I ask this because in the series, she barely does ANYTHING to help these guys, she and the rest of the characters just sit around and then do an activity that is the equivalent of something you would do in kindergarten except it’s with ADULTS.

I don’t know about you but If your idea of helping people is doing just that and nothing else, then the only thing the people around you are gonna get is them being annoyed at first and eventually walking out with thinking your not helping them but rather just treating them like a baby who doesn’t know anything, and the only thing your gonna get personally is nothing because you did dick all.

Like other than that she pretty much just whines about sinners not going to her hotel and oh gee I wonder why, it’s not like your not doing anything to help these sinners not committing sins anymore, oh definitely not, your absolutely being helpful.

“Oh but Kat! Charlie was born in hell, how can she know how to help people? She’s not from the human world so, she wouldn’t exactly know how to help these people!” I would tell you to look at the world building for the series and it’s spin off but that’s a whole other can of beans that I don’t wanna cover today and this is already getting to long, so y’know what? We’ll go with that.

If Charlie didn’t know how to help people and was trying to figure out what she can do to help sinners get better, then why didn’t she just ask her employees for suggestions? Y’know, the other sinners who were from the human world and had experiences while they were alive and such?

Yeah, I get that not all of their advice would be exactly good or healthy (since they’re sinners who’ve done many bad things after all) BUT ITS AT LEAST SOMETHING FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

She literally does nothing, she just expects you to immediately get better after some improvisations or whatever other activities she does and once you’ve done one nice thing then boom you’re close to redemption.

> Conclusion.

Charlie Morningstar is (like I said in the beginning) probably one of the worst characters in the hazbin hotel series, she at best a stereotype of the “everything is sunshines and rainbows” character tropes and at worst is a pathetic excuse of a main character and is nothing but a rotten shell of her character from the pilot.

I would go on about how her design’s also bad but I’m sure millions of people have already said the same issues and I’ve already posted my redesign of her before the show dropped.

I might plan on posting a rewrite of her or maybe explain my problems with another character or episode but I don’t know.

But until then, I’ll see y’all later!

Angel dust should have been the main character tbh. He’s like one of the only good characters in the entire show…

To be honest I can see where your coming from with this, but also part of me feels like it won’t exactly change much in the series.

Like don’t get me wrong, the idea of a main character trying to get better and overcome their struggles (i.e his drug addiction etc etc..) would be very interesting to watch in theory if done right.

But even then, despite Angel being prob the most developed and somewhat more bearable to watch out of everyone in the main cast, he still has at least a handful of writing issues just like the rest of the characters that could be improved.